Topic: IOTA - Unmoderated thread - page 24. (Read 70768 times)

Threat? You're expressing that you are dissatisfied as a customer, in the world of commerce the most natural and ethical way to resolve such a dispute is a refund. Stop using these 'scary words' to get attention please.

Again, another outright threat. This time of possibly blacklisting me from the project. Is this really the vision you have for this space and for your project?

I'm even more disappointed now. Also, NO, I will not accept a refund or being blacklisted. I paid for my IOTAs and hope you will honor that agreement. That I already claimed them and that this claim was not good enough (as we must claim again) and that you now threaten me with the taking away of my seed and my share of IOTAs is close to a criminal act.

Stop this non-sense and get yourself under control. If you think I have nothing to offer, then simply put me on IGNORE list and move on. My goal is what it always was, to be part of IOTA and to have the tokens I paid for.  

RTRTCRYPTO:

I have offered you a refund here in public and also in PM. If you honestly think IOTA is a failed project (like you just proclaimed) you will accept the refund, you will get back your tokens and the IOTA goes to someone that actually has a use for it, not a speculator.

If you just want to continue whining about something you have no idea of, go ahead, I will not pay attention.

Trolling trolls like THIS looks bad - you know it, too. There are people who follow these types of interactions when they are looking into the IOTA team - none of this provides confidence. You are 100% out of control as far as I am concerned. I keep hoping you will reign it in, but it just seems to get worse the more pressure that is put on you and the project.

I don't want a refund. And, once again, money is not everything. Every comment you make to anyone with questions comes back to "ROI" and "25x" or whatever. Some of us care about more than money. My concern for the PROJECT is genuine, not for ROI and not for 100000x. But, it doesn't matter, you are just going to keep going down the path you have set. That you think I am the enemy is indicative of where this is headed.

In all honesty, since you don't want to hire a community manager and since the style and tone in which you answer questions is so abrasive - why not just step away from the forum? Keep doing the things you do behind the scenes and just post a blog/update on IOTA when important questions need to be addressed. You just don't have the makeup to answer questions in real time, nor do you have the patience or ability to handle this part of the job.

You also clearly HATE this part of the job, so, just stop... I'm trying to tell you that it is hurting the project and you would rather get the last insult in than just normalizing the situation.  

What news?

I haven't read any - did I miss something?

Surely if this is all working there is already news - is there not?

So I have been watching the news for a long time but I've yet to read anything about this tech - why is that?

Here you go oldman: http://iotatoken.com/IOTA_Whitepaper.pdf

As someone that has claimed that it is vaporware and bullshit, it's now refreshing to see that you don't even know what it is and thought it was some sort of DAPP that needs a blockchain to run

It's so hilarious when a troll inadvertently admits he's clueless.

I will be watching this thread in the coming weeks to see how you guys react to the news

Let's turn this into a real laugh - please explain to me the "tangle".

(you've already claimed that IOTA was your idea not CfB's so I guess you should be able to explain this in detail)

It's always good to be able to laugh at oneself. You are progressing.

Just quoting this for the laughs.

AT needs a blockchain. IOTA does not. How do you even compare the two? How dumb can a person truly be? With that comment you lost the tiny amount of integrity as a software developer you had left. You clearly don't even know what IOTA is or what a Tangle is. Sorry oldman, your time has past.

So - as I stated - AT is running on two blockchains (Qora and Burst) and IOTA is running on zero (thanks for agreeing with me).

CIYAM, you are sadly very confused, as we all know. Why would a blockchain running IOTA be some sort of indicator of anything? IOTA's Tangle *replaces* blockchains, it's a superior technology for several use-cases. But since you asked: several blockchain projects are working on 2way pegging IOTA.

Yea, trolling some trolls for fun is definitely indicative of the status of a project. As we all know having fun is the ultimate sign that a project is doomed.

rtrtcrypto, here's a solution to your misery: I will refund your iotas.

No - I didn't say it was a "charity" (but not surprised that you want to pick up on that) but he made a donation to something that was not even written up (so you think he has some right as to say what he should be refunded for when he didn't even make that clear at all?).

Where was it clear that he made a "refundable donation" that said that "if Jean-Luc refuses to accept your working tech then I need my BTC back - and in fact I need it back in 2 years time"?


Just prove the donation (no need for saying "everyone knows" as that is how you just trick people using "sock-puppet" accounts).

People that say "everyone knows" and don't provide any actual evidence are most likely "sock-puppets" so that is how I am going to treat you.

The AT project was not a scam as it is currently active on *two* blockchains (name me any blockchains that are running IOTA).

Did you really just compare your work on AT with a charity? Also, everyone knows 2kool, it is pretty evident you would as well - if you don't want to refund his "donation" then just say so. Stop pretending otherwise.

Lastly, 2kool is not part of IOTA and was against all projects involving David. There is no penalty to you in just keeping the 1 BTC, just stop pretending that there is some sort of "doubt" in relation to who paid it and why they would like it back.

The more time I spend around this space, the more I realize what a bunch of amateurs run all of these projects. This, by the way, is an open attack on all of you together. This entire thread is a bad joke and the fact that the main figures across multiple projects spend hours here everyday is symptomatic of why most of you (all?) will fail.

Exactly - he should be speaking to Jean-Luc about why AT was never added to Nxt (as it could easily have been).

My guess is that he is a NXT bag-holder (so in fact his real issues should be with CfB and the like but I am guessing he is now an IOTA bag-holder as well so he doesn't dare have a go at them).

This idiot makes a donation and then claims there are all these conditions about his donation being returned - but where are those conditions in writing?
(and also the idiot can't even show any evidence that he even made such a donation - just claims that I should remember whilst at the same time he appears to back statements by others that I am so intoxicated every day that it wouldn't even be possible for me to remember any such thing)

@DecentralizedEconomics - grow up child - if you "donate" then you don't ask for a refund (am guessing you are the kind of person that asks a charity for a refund if you're not happy with what happens 2 years later also).

Also - if we "failed to deliver" then how on earth does Burst and Qora have AT?
(as I have repeatedly pointed out Nxt could simply have used the code that was used in Burst)

Perhaps you are simply too young to understand what is and what isn't a scam (maybe someone else can educate you because I know that I can't be bothered with you any more).

@CIYAM - I am getting sick and tired of your attitude (it seems strange for someone to treat someone else so poorly when that individual tried to do the right thing and support them when obviously very few others did).

If you have any actual desire not to look like a scammer, then please reimburse the 1.049 BTC and not the "Prove you gave it to me" rubbish.

Assuming all the stuff posted about you is false (which you claim that it is), then you should be lucid enough to remember that I did in fact give you the one bitcoin and honest enough to do the right thing.

What do I care if AT was delivered, but not integrated into NXT?  What puts you under the assumption that a give two hoots about AT development?  Everyone, including myself, funded you under the assumption that AT would be integrated into NXT.  You did the work and collected money under that assumption.  I don't care whose fault it was that AT wasn't integrated into NXT.  The fact of the matter is that it wasn't, and whether you want to admit it or not, the blame at least partially lies with you.  Refund all those who gave you money, or be prepared to be labelled a scammer.  That's the way the game works.

You're right.  I think NXT was destroyed from the inside out, and I think you are somewhat to blame as you collected funds and failed to deliver.

@DecentyralizedEconomics - I am getting sick and tired of your attitude (it seems strange for someone trying to get a refund that you would even have such an attitude).

If you have any actual proof of payments then please provide the proof and not the "I should remember" rubbish.

Assuming you believe all of the stuff being posted about me (and you have stated that you basically do) then you should know it wouldn't be possible for me to remember anything at all (as I need to be put in rehab apparently and have troubles remembering what I did yesterday, little own a couple of years back).

And even if you were one of the very first donators it was a "donation" and the work that I was supposed to do *was done and delivered* (you do realise that I don't even do Java coding don't you?).

If you had a set of requirements for your "donation" and how it should be handled then why didn't you send that to me in the first place (instead of now trying to add conditions later)?

The reason AT did not appear on Nxt was that Nxt didn't want it to - yet the code to do that was provided and used in Burst (and the final work for that was paid in BURST - not in NXT and not in BTC).

What can I say - we delivered and the Nxt "community" didn't accept it (a very different case to others where no software was even created).

You are really just pissed that the price of NXT didn't go up and are looking for people to blame about that (maybe you should look at some others as smart contracts haven't really made such a big impact for alt coins other than Ethereum).

I still have the wallet from which I anonymously sent 0.049 BTC to fund a NXT AT CIYAM task.  So, I can prove that, but I can't prove I sent you 1 BTC for you to work on NXT AT even though you and I both know it is true.  Regardless if I am "2Kool4Skewl" or not, which I am, 2Kool4Skewl sent you 1 BTC, and 2Kool4Skewl was never refunded for this 1 BTC.


You're looking more and more like a scammer and an untrustworthy individual, but I already knew this to be the case.


You're the one that was saying that all NXT AT supporters were refunded their money, and I simply stated that you never refunded me.  If you're so honest, why didn't you contact me personally and ask if I wanted a refund?  If you only received three Bitcoins, then I gave you a third of that money.  How could you forget me?  If I remember correctly, the price of one Bitcoin then and now is almost the same.


It was everyone's understanding that it was to fund development of AT on NXT.  Why would NXT stakeholders fund development on a competing chain?  Anyway, I gave YOU the money directly.  I didn't give it to them.

I was trying to be a nice guy and give YOU some money to help YOU out on NXT AT development even though YOU stood to make money off of it too, and what do I get in return besides some smart ass statements?  You don't have any room to call out anyone as a "scammer".

So you admit that you cannot prove that you sent me any BTC at all (and that you have now checked all your old wallets).

Case closed in regards to trying to obtain BTC from me (and you are looking more and more like a bought account trying to do so).

It's funny why something that allegedly happened so long ago would suddenly be brought up - but then again the price of BTC only just rose quite a bit recently so perhaps it's not so surprising after all.

The facts about what happened to AT are known by plenty of others so I really don't care much for your conspiracy theories (especially those supported by scammers).

Also as soon as AT appeared on Burst it could have been added to Nxt (as Burst is a Nxt clone and is open source) but clearly no-one in Nxt was interested in doing that. Still somehow my fault?

Another thing is that "my role" was to provide the design for AT and that was in fact delivered (in the form of the specifications that are still available on my website). Getting AT to work in any coin was never actually my role at all (which is why others were involved in the project).

There was never a crowdfund for the development of AT with promises of refunds if the job was not completed (but that seems to be what you are implying was the case).

Finally - if you had read the "announcement" about the NxtAT Asset (which I didn't create btw) then it clearly stated that the main purpose was to fund development (and that is indeed what occurred). You should realise that the other two working on AT received the vast majority of said funds (and I returned all of the NXT) so perhaps you should be pursuing them for refunds (although - again - it was never a "crowdfund")?