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Topic: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. - page 12. (Read 42652 times)

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It did belong to the British.

That's certainly true, if one ignores all of the facts.

Military stewardship is not ownership. You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with the British and the UN. They administered Palestine, they did not own it.
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arab land?

Interesting, care to show me the history text book that points that out?

Because it did belong to the British, who conquered it from the ottoman empire, who conquered it from the Mamluk empire, who conquered it from the Crusaders....

It didn't belong to the British. They were granted the responsibility (by the LoN) to administer Palestine as a class A mandate to bring it into statehood and independence. If you ever take the time to see how the UN surveyed the land when they were considering partition, you will see how much was considered Arab land, and how much was considered Jewish.


the poor sod doesn't even know that Mamluks were Arabic speakers and so were the people who lived in Palestine during the Ottoman, Crusader and Byzantine Era's...

lol. Caught editing your stupidity.

You're to slow.
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the poor sod doesn't even know that Mamluks were Arabs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk

The most enduring Mamluk realm was the military caste in medieval Egypt that rose from the ranks of slave soldiers who were mainly Cumans-Kipchaks of Turkic,[1] Circassian[2] and Georgian[3][4][5] origin, although in the Burji (post-1389) Mamluk sultanate many Mamluks could also be of Balkan origin (Albanian, Greek, South Slavic)

A lot (the vast majority) were Egyptians, east Europeans and Turkish.

Guess you need to go back to your text books and brush up on who's arab and who isn't.
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arab land?

Interesting, care to show me the history text book that points that out?

Because it did belong to the British, who conquered it from the ottoman empire, who conquered it from the Mamluk empire, who conquered it from the Crusaders....

It didn't belong to the British. They were granted the responsibility (by the LoN) to administer Palestine as a class A mandate to bring it into statehood and independence. If you ever take the time to see how the UN surveyed the land when they were considering partition, you will see how much was considered Arab land, and how much was considered Jewish.


the poor sod doesn't even know that Mamluks were Arabic speakers and so were the people who lived in Palestine during the Ottoman, Crusader and Byzantine Era's...
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starscream are you still here ?

I thought you would be busily preparing for your holy war against all Arabs by now...

oh I forgot you don't need to prepare because the USA is giving Isreal more charity Iron Dome units.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-16/why-more-of-israels-iron-dome-will-be-made-in-the-u-dot-s-dot-a

must be nice to live off welfare and throw stones from behind your shiny new missile system.
Welfare?
Majority of the US dollars Israel gets goes back to the US.

Regardless, it's damn good to know there's a country that uses its money and technology to protect its people and not shot down airplanes full of civilians (as you probably know).

Alternatively, here are your heroes:




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Who own the place? Here is the property record amongst the millenniums:


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It didn't belong to the British. They were granted the responsibility (by the LoN) to administer Palestine as a class A mandate to bring it into statehood and independence. If you ever take the time to see how the UN surveyed the land when they were considering partition, you will see how much was considered Arab land, and how much was considered Jewish.
It did belong to the British.

They conquered it from the Ottoman empire in 1917 and instated Martial Law for 3 years before it was declared a British mandate by the LoN in 1920.
Regardless, it was theirs no matter how you look at it, it wasn't given to them, they already had it, it was just cheap politics.
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starscream are you still here ?

I thought you would be busily preparing for your holy war against all Arabs by now...

oh I forgot you don't need to prepare because the USA is giving Isreal more charity Iron Dome units.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-16/why-more-of-israels-iron-dome-will-be-made-in-the-u-dot-s-dot-a

must be nice to live off welfare and throw stones from behind your shiny new missile system.

what are you going to do if the charity is cut off?

lets hope you learn how to tone down the rhetoric and make peace with your neighbors by then eh.
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arab land?

Interesting, care to show me the history text book that points that out?

Because it did belong to the British, who conquered it from the ottoman empire, who conquered it from the Mamluk empire, who conquered it from the Crusaders....

It didn't belong to the British. They were granted the responsibility (by the LoN) to administer Palestine as a class A mandate to bring it into statehood and independence. If you ever take the time to see how the UN surveyed the land when they were considering partition, you will see how much was considered Arab land, and how much was considered Jewish.
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I was contemplating if to tell the story about the israeli and palestinian kid who got their playground divided by the british teacher, and how the palestinian kid said "fuck that shit, i want all of it", went to call his arab brothers to beat the israeli kid, failed and now is crying.

If your analogy paints the Palestinians as the historical aggressors, rather than the European immigrants who unilaterally declared Israel to exist on what was, at that time, predominantly Arab land, then your analogy is deeply flawed.

his analogy is fine its just 2 thousand years out of date. but don't blame isreal for using out of date text books its written in their law that they must use history books from 2000 years ago.

he means Roman teacher not British. its a common mistake that most isreali kids make... confusing Romans with the British empire.
as you can see they like to confuse Palestinians with Arabs too.

I reckon you need to go back to school if you confuse the romans and the british as for who divided the land.

If your analogy paints the Palestinians as the historical aggressors, rather than the European immigrants who unilaterally declared Israel to exist on what was, at that time, predominantly Arab land, then your analogy is deeply flawed.
arab land?

Interesting, care to show me the history text book that points that out?

Because it did belong to the British, who conquered it from the ottoman empire, who conquered it from the Mamluk empire, who conquered it from the Crusaders....
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I was contemplating if to tell the story about the israeli and palestinian kid who got their playground divided by the british teacher, and how the palestinian kid said "fuck that shit, i want all of it", went to call his arab brothers to beat the israeli kid, failed and now is crying.

If your analogy paints the Palestinians as the historical aggressors, rather than the European immigrants who unilaterally declared Israel to exist on what was, at that time, predominantly Arab land, then your analogy is deeply flawed.

his analogy is fine its just 2 thousand years out of date. but don't blame isreal for using out of date text books its written in their law that they must use history books from 2000 years ago.

he means Roman teacher not British. its a common mistake that most isreali kids make... confusing Romans with the British empire.
as you can see they like to confuse Palestinians with Arabs too.
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I was contemplating if to tell the story about the israeli and palestinian kid who got their playground divided by the british teacher, and how the palestinian kid said "fuck that shit, i want all of it", went to call his arab brothers to beat the israeli kid, failed and now is crying.

If your analogy paints the Palestinians as the historical aggressors, rather than the European immigrants who unilaterally declared Israel to exist on what was, at that time, predominantly Arab land, then your analogy is deeply flawed.
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bla bla

to take the analogy further..

the palestinian kid with murderous look in his eyes goes to the israeli kid and starts poking him with a knife, the israeli kid, using his wit, quickly put on a vest.
the palestinian kid kept poking the israeli kid and shouted that he will murder him and his family.
the palestinian kid than went on and start throwing knives at the israeli kids family as well as started walking towards them while putting a suicide vest on him.
the israeli kid than proceeded into punching the palestinian kid in the face, knocking him cold, saying its self defense and that the palestinian kid threatened and tried to kill his family.

Fixed that for ya.

I was contemplating if to tell the story about the israeli and palestinian kid who got their playground divided by the british teacher, and how the palestinian kid said "fuck that shit, i want all of it", went to call his arab brothers to beat the israeli kid, failed and now is crying.

but... nah.
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Emotional people is not kin to the truth or solve anything.
As I see here 90%+ of emotional reactions, Israel x Palestine is far far away from rationality, the conflict itself is irrational, the supporters of both sides are emotional... so the conflict will not have an end soon. Will be just tears and shouts from both sides and we will loop this over and over until some catastrophe comes along to either side.

P.S. - Sorry for not be a "like" beggar. Like what I said or not, I don't really care.
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Honestly the Israel & Palestine situation is a complex version of 2 little kids not wanting to share their sandbox with each other. Each of them saying it was mine first when they could easily divide it equally. Unfortunately one of them has the sandbox bully on their side so the other boy has no chance.

Not as simple as that. The Israelis are having USA on their side, but Barack Obama is not as much pro-Israeli as his predecessors. On the other hand, emerging powers such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt are supporting the Palestinians.

Eqypt is not really pro Hamas they just had a brutal crackdown on the Muslim brotherhood (the father organisation of Hamas). Saudi I'm not sure, they do everything hidden but they are also allied with the US.

its more like a playground where all the kids are kinda friends with each other but allegiances change very easily.

to take the analogy further..

the chubby Isreali kid kicks over the Palestinian kids sand castle and then begins sitting on the skinny little Palestinian kids head and when the little Palestinian kid tries to fight back he gets punched in the face.. when the teacher comes to stop the fight, the Isreali kid says to the teacher "he started it... I was just defending myself miss..", "I have a right to defend myself because this is my sandbox that god gave to me.."
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Honestly the Israel & Palestine situation is a complex version of 2 little kids not wanting to share their sandbox with each other. Each of them saying it was mine first when they could easily divide it equally. Unfortunately one of them has the sandbox bully on their side so the other boy has no chance.

Not as simple as that. The Israelis are having USA on their side, but Barack Obama is not as much pro-Israeli as his predecessors. On the other hand, emerging powers such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt are supporting the Palestinians.
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In answer to the question "Is anyone following" - yes.

We have the regional nuclear super power, backed by the global nuclear super power, raining terror down on a defenceless civilian population. The civilian death toll is currently higher (as a percentage) than the Gaza Massacre of 2008/2009, and threatens to be higher in absolute terms by the end.

Israeli propagandists are currently trying (with limited success) to portray Israel as the victim. Hashtag IsraelUnderFire.

Hamas has presented terms for a ceasefire, still waiting to see what will happen there.

Israel has committed numerous, serious prima facie war crimes so far. The correct response from the PA would be to refer Israel's crimes to the ICC, what is actually happening is that the PA is adopting the Israeli line.
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I do not give the slightest Satoshi about the religious wars of these primitive and superstitious peoples.

Quarrantine them and if they try to get out of the box; well, then................................
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a fascinating and intellectual debate about the Zionist movement and the current government in Isreal.

it is well balanced with people being able to speak from all sides.. 3 prominent Jews/Isrealis and one Palestinian.

definitely worth watching if you are interested in the background of the current situation in Isreal/Palestine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdAeFcytcZ8

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'Witch Hunt': Fired MSNBC Contributor Speaks Out on Suppression of Israel-Palestine Debate

http://www.alternet.org/media/witch-hunt-fired-msnbc-contributor-speaks-out-networks-witch-hunt-and-suppression-israel

MSNBC contributor Rula Jebreal’s on-air protest of the network’s slanted coverage of Israel’s ongoing assault on the Gaza Strip has brought media suppression of the Israel-Palestine debate into sharp focus. Punished for her act of dissent with the cancellation of all future appearances and the termination of her contract, Jebreal spoke to me about what prompted her to speak out and why MSNBC was presenting such a distorted view of the crisis.

“I couldn’t stay silent after seeing the amount of airtime given to Israeli politicians versus Palestinians,” Jebreal told me. “They say we are balanced but their idea of balance is 90 percent Israeli guests and 10 percent Palestinians. This kind of media is what leads to the failing policies that we see in Gaza.”

She continued, “We as journalists are there to afflict the comfortable and who is comfortable in this case? Who is really endangering both sides and harming American interests in the region? It’s those enforcing the status quo of the siege of Gaza and the occupation of the West Bank.”

Jebreal said that in her two years as an MSNBC contributor, she had protested the network’s slanted coverage repeatedly in private conversations with producers. “I told them we have a serious issue here,” she explained. “But everybody’s intimidated by this pressure and if it’s not direct then it becomes self-censorship.”

With her criticism of her employer’s editorial line, she has become the latest casualty of the pro-Israel pressure. “I have been told to my face that I wasn’t invited on to shows because I was Palestinian,” Jebreal remarked. “I didn’t believe it at the time. Now I believe it.”


there are plenty of other news services around she doesn't need to work for assholes.
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