Topic: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. - page 7. (Read 42678 times)

we are witnessing real democracy in action... sure successive US governments will continue to support Isreal (the Pro Isreal and Arms lobby groups are huge in the US) but the message is getting through.

just listen to the tone John Kerry is using now, it has changed dramatically since the start of the war.

if the US changes its foreign policy even slightly then Isreal as we know it will be forced to change also.
I'm not saying that I think it will happen this time.. but every step is a step closer to real democracy and human rights in Isreal and it's occupied territories..

It was Isreals policy to keep carving up and settling the west bank while pretending to negotiate for a two state solution that caused this problem.
now they have to deal with the consequences of this policy.
Whether they dismantle the settlements causing hundreds of thousands of Isreali settlers to go mad with rage, whether they give the Palestinians right of return and allow them equal representation in the political system.. or whether they let the situation fester until it causes a wider regional conflict... this is all a direct result of Isreali Zionist Expansionist Policies and it will change things in Isreali society.

I'm hoping they see common sense before things get worse for them.

none of these protests will change anything.

More Jews in New York protesting at the friends of the IDF offices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMoAN0kynpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-uEQDvZ1mw

look who is protesting against isreali aggression and oppression...

people from every walk of life every race and every religion.

Jews, Christians, Muslims, Africans, Asians, Indians, Middle east people and so many more.

If you don't believe me look at their faces...

And if you look at the pro Isreal demonstrations all you will see is Zionists and Isrealis.

so please everyone don't make this a race or religion issue.. it has nothing to do with race and religion.

they say the same things over and over because they cannot justify their actions with any kind of reason and logic so they just repeat the propaganda that has been fed to them since primary school.

this issue has nothing to do with Muslims vs Jews.. Terror vs Peace...
it has everything to do with Land and resources.

why are you talking about muslims, and why are talking about something else on a thread related, to Israel/Palestine? you are just repeating what Israeli politicians are saying while trying to divert the attention.

Isreal has already lost all its legitimacy.
listen to some of Noam Chomsky lectures. He is one of those well educated liberal, law abiding Jews that the Isreali Right Wing hates.
He is actually older than the state of Isreal so he can speak on the topic with some authority.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0kgG1_6Qn0

According to Noam the only country that supports Isreal is the USA. If they stop supporting Isreal then it will collapse just like Apartheid South Africa did and I would say just like the Mubarak Government did in Egypt.

USA is the only country that consistently votes against the un-resolutions against on Isreal.

Isreal does not have friends because their foreign and domestic policy is not friendly to anyone except Isrealis and Americans.

This means that the entire fate of Zionist Isreal rests in the hands of US public opinion.

This gives me some comfort because it is much easier to change US public opinion than it is to change Isreali public opinion which is overwhelmingly in support of Extreme right wing ideology.

I hope there can be a peaceful revolution in Isreal/Palestine before they move closer to Fascism.
I really dread to think what a Fascist state with nuclear weapons would or could do. I will be safe where I live (because im so far away from the middle east) but I worry about the fate of all the people who live in that region regardless of race or religion..

Here is a short clip showing people of every color (including jews) protesting to stop the Israeli aggression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d97NDd1HKyc

if you want to understand the ongoing violence you need to understand the underlying causes.

thankfully there are Jewish people who understand the problem and are willing to tell the story from their own perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIyJpW4F_1M

the violence will not end unless the underlying causes are addressed.

OTH if the Palestinians wipe out Israel would be seen as heroes by their peers.
Talking of which, the Ramadan party death toll - Muslims vs Muslims only, excluding Israel and Palestine - already goes around 2300 and counting. Nameless victims, mostly civilians too, that nobody will whip, as nobody in the West knows, they're entertained with this long Israeli story that goes in loop, and Muslims won't care, because as long as the murder is Muslim that's OK then.

Or maybe if they do, they'll lose all legitimity, and they'll lose their US backup, because it would create a real outrage everywhere, but for now as long as they can justify with self defense and say look we didn't kill anybody, we are doing surgically precise hits they'll be fine. I mean seriously read, some Israeli books on the matter, and the different strategies they have in place to do such a thing.
1200 Palestinians mostly civilians died so far and still more to come and dozens of thousands wounded or/and disabled.

Maybe because Israeli are not bloody savages...

Again bullshit from you.

Not only I already answered this nonsense, but you also stated a false premise, which is that they were shot on based on how they look.
Weird, I guess the Israeli-Arab friend I had in university was an imaginary one, I mean, according to you, he would surely be shot at just cause he looks like an arab.

Regardless, as a person who have been near several of their (muslims) "protesting" I can attest that they more often than not use live ammunition, stones and molotov cocktails.

How about if they don't wanna die, they protest in a peaceful way? Raise flags, signs, chain themselves to the ground or some other means, rather than try and kill policemen and soldiers?
Ah no, wait, that makes to much sense.
Instead, they throw stones, which again, can kill, or throw molotov at Israelis but that's fine and peaceful in your eyes.

Now show me Jewish orthodox using molotov cocktails, stones and weapons (rifles and guns) during a protest and the police using only water guns as response to it.
Alternatively, show me when those muslims protested peacefully (i.e. no weapons of any fuckin kind) and got shot at.

if its not apartheid then what should we call it when police and settlers shoot and kill protesters because of what they look like?

self defence?

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Report-Three-Palestinians-killed-in-West-Bank-violence-368926

why don't they shoot and kill orthodox Jews that protest?

If your Jewish you get water cannons and batons.. if you are Palestinian you get live ammunition shot at you... come and visit our lovely country Isreal the perfect place for your next holiday....

Horseshit.
Apartheid is apartheid.
You know something is wrong when people need to lie in order to get some attention and more so, when they justify those lies.

Incorrectly spewing bullshit and propaganda doesn't mean there's some "legitimacy' behind it.

If you are called a murderer by a brainless mob when you never in fact killed anyone, does it mean there's legitimacy behind it?

Your comment is a typical post for a sheep: "because others say so, that must be true".

And the world hasn't come a "long" way since anywhere. 200k dead in Syria is a proof. The fact NK is still up and running is a proof. The Millions who've been killed in China is a proof.
The fact that people in those pro palestinians rallies target Jewish institutes is a proof.

When you have to snoop down to the technical definition of an apartheid state to justify it not being one then there is something wrong. We have come a long way from extreme racism and for any state to have to defend itself against people calling it an apartheid state there has to be some sort of legitimacy behind it. You do not see any other countries being called apartheid (that may be because they aren't racist fucks).

Always some retard gets to the point of Israel being apartheid.

"reasons" lol. Israel, as a fact, doesn't fall under the category of an apartheid state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/opinion/israel-and-the-apartheid-slander.html?_r=0

"In assessing the accusation that Israel pursues apartheid policies, which are by definition primarily about race or ethnicity, it is important first to distinguish between the situations in Israel, where Arabs are citizens, and in West Bank areas that remain under Israeli control in the absence of a peace agreement.

In Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute: “Inhumane acts ... committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.” Israeli Arabs — 20 percent of Israel’s population — vote, have political parties and representatives in the Knesset and occupy positions of acclaim, including on its Supreme Court. Arab patients lie alongside Jewish patients in Israeli hospitals, receiving identical treatment."

And for that dumbass that shouts genocide. You're shooting your own foot, yelling "wolf, wolf" when there's none.

As for the UN and HRW bullshit, it's a rigged game anyway, as explained here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbkGY1paqaM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ece_1310634740

5 Reasons Why Israel is an Apartheid State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPX0F-UqF-k

this is an editorial more than it is news and you can tell that RT are clearly biased against Israel, but even if you check the facts you will see that they aren't lies.


And This is what the Isreali government and Hamas don't want you to see..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-65yxrGMCGc

if you want the madness to end then reject right wing extremism and get behind the cause.

#JewsAndArabsRefuseToBeEnemies


and here is a video of some of the bravest people in Isreal they dare to stand against the oppression knowing that they could be jailed or beaten at any time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DuKTI7caiA

US?! 

If there's a place Muslims can rally over with some legitimacy is US. They barely had contact with US in the past, but in the last 70 years they been eating all the crap from USA for no reason (other than steal their resources, that is). US treats those guys as plain slaves, take down and put up their dictators, put those guys to Guantanamo without shred of evidence, and so on...

Oh! But yada yada 9/11. 9/11? Way before that US already had:

- Set up Israel.
A bit questionable why, but if we go around old American jokes we can find a lot of them with prejudice against American Jews. Probably USA saw it as a good way to dump those guys somewhere.

- Supported Iraq against Iran, including supplying chemical weapons to Saddam, who didn't took much time before dump it over the Iranians.

- Attacked Iraq to support Kuwait.

- Put up and replaced, put up and replaced again, and again... the Persian Shah. Until they got fed up and started to support the Ayatollahs.

And the list goes on and on...

You need to cut those guys some slack, damn it!

this cartoon is tragically funny but also brutally honest..

http://www.globetoday.com/one-of-the-most-beautiful-accurate-and-true-cartoons-ever-a-masterpiece/#

 

it seems to have worked on you too, looks like you fell into their trap.. you had better flee to Isreal there are more Muslims in Europe and the USA than in Isreal... only the Zionists can save you from the Muslims hiding under your bed...