Topic: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. - page 8. (Read 42678 times)
The leadership from the Palestine side has no interest in peace. They want to use this as an excuse to rally Muslim all over the world against US, which work for the half witted population.
Another interesting report from RT about the problems in Iraq and Gaza as well as a former IDF soldier discussing the issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHWhp70pszU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHWhp70pszU
You get the award for the funniest thread headline.
This has literally been the biggest story in the news for the last two weeks.
Awful stuff going on, I hope the peace talks can be product and long lasting. War doesn't win, only peace.
This has literally been the biggest story in the news for the last two weeks.
Awful stuff going on, I hope the peace talks can be product and long lasting. War doesn't win, only peace.
Well, sadly, weapons manufacturers win big time - not only in the sales they make with all this, but also in the advertisement they get out of it: "these are field tested on live targets" (that is, on Palestinians).
You get the award for the funniest thread headline.
This has literally been the biggest story in the news for the last two weeks.
Awful stuff going on, I hope the peace talks can be product and long lasting. War doesn't win, only peace.
This has literally been the biggest story in the news for the last two weeks.
Awful stuff going on, I hope the peace talks can be product and long lasting. War doesn't win, only peace.
Well, sadly, weapons manufacturers win big time - not only in the sales they make with all this, but also in the advertisement they get out of it: "these are field tested on live targets" (that is, on Palestinians).
You get the award for the funniest thread headline.
This has literally been the biggest story in the news for the last two weeks.
Awful stuff going on, I hope the peace talks can be product and long lasting. War doesn't win, only peace.
This has literally been the biggest story in the news for the last two weeks.
Awful stuff going on, I hope the peace talks can be product and long lasting. War doesn't win, only peace.
Dont see a problem with arresting members of an internationally recognised terror group.
Except that most of the people that were arrested were innocent, and the other part that were released, were leased following a deal that WAS NOT HONOROD by Israel but again you are derailing from the fact the point you claimed that Hamas started the hostilities, where did that go?Self defence=retaliating against the rocket fire on Israel coming out of Gaza.
Source for that 1 children per hour?
Anyway children die in war.
I dont know what kind of a genocider gives warning to civilians before bombing terror sites,gives free electricity,medicine and other supplies for the victim. Also the growing Palestinian population shows this is not a genocide. If Israel wanted to genocide the Palestinians,they would have already done it long ago.
Source for that 1 children per hour?
Anyway children die in war.
I dont know what kind of a genocider gives warning to civilians before bombing terror sites,gives free electricity,medicine and other supplies for the victim. Also the growing Palestinian population shows this is not a genocide. If Israel wanted to genocide the Palestinians,they would have already done it long ago.
Thats your own definition on self definition here is the definition of self defense according to prominent dictionaries, and in the law :
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-defense
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/self-defence
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/self-defense
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1909
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/self-defense.html
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Use of reasonable force (as compared with the attacker's force) in protection of one's person, family, property, or anyone else against attempted or threatened attack. Legal doctrine of self defense justifies a preemptive action taken in the reasonable belief of immediate danger, without making any retreat, and may (specially in case of provocation) condone killing of the perpetrator of a murderous attack.
Except that as proven above it was Israel that attacked first, so this whole argument is totally false as and by your logic here it's Hamas that is on self defense here (Hamas in my eyes is a terrorist group as they targeting indiscriminately Israeli civilians but Israel is even worse by this same definition)
As for Israel warning civilians please lol, the so called warning bombs killed over 30 Palestinians, there thousands of strikes that were made without warning, you seems to avoid the part when I site the example of the 8 years old children that were playing in the beach, or just today the UN Shelter that was blown to dust resulting in the death of 30-40 Palestinians and hundreds of injuries (this is a crime war btw according to UN rules)
This is a genocide, look up the recent genocides listed according to the UN, and you'll see that what's happening in Gaza is similar to those in terms of numbers and events
The question "who started" will take you nowhere and can go back to 1948. i can say Hamas started by suicide attacking Israelis in 2002.
Israel can't make warning for every attack,the target can escape.
I didn't say Israel is always 100% right,but people,including innocents die during war.
That UN school might have hosted hamas rockets,who knows? they found Hamas rockets in UNRWA schools twice,therfore making it a valid target
http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools
Define "Genocide"
Do you even read what I'm saying or just posting blindly again the same thing, You are repeating the same things that were answered point by point, read again please and can you please answer what was mentioned on point as for the origins of the conflicts, it's 1948 the problems started at the end of the 19 century with the birth of Zionism and it became serious after WWI but that's not the point you are just dodging the point where you claimed that this event is Hamas fault, which was proven wrong
I gave you the definition of genocide ...
if the Palestinians are not in this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll) does not mean that there is not a GENOCIDE!
in fact ( I have said that? ) now in palestine there is a genocide ! But no one intervene .
This is a Zionist symbol
http://www.zfa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/ZFA-Symbol-Only-Colour.jpg
This is an apartheid south African swastika
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2XTDc98peCo/TYpR3ZTC4vI/AAAAAAAAAD4/uovAC9QkRUs/s1600/awb.png
when you compare the two its just plain creepy....
http://www.zfa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/ZFA-Symbol-Only-Colour.jpg
This is an apartheid south African swastika
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2XTDc98peCo/TYpR3ZTC4vI/AAAAAAAAAD4/uovAC9QkRUs/s1600/awb.png
when you compare the two its just plain creepy....
Aapartheid anywhere is creepy, Israel included
Dont see a problem with arresting members of an internationally recognised terror group.
Except that most of the people that were arrested were innocent, and the other part that were released, were leased following a deal that WAS NOT HONOROD by Israel but again you are derailing from the fact the point you claimed that Hamas started the hostilities, where did that go?Self defence=retaliating against the rocket fire on Israel coming out of Gaza.
Source for that 1 children per hour?
Anyway children die in war.
I dont know what kind of a genocider gives warning to civilians before bombing terror sites,gives free electricity,medicine and other supplies for the victim. Also the growing Palestinian population shows this is not a genocide. If Israel wanted to genocide the Palestinians,they would have already done it long ago.
Source for that 1 children per hour?
Anyway children die in war.
I dont know what kind of a genocider gives warning to civilians before bombing terror sites,gives free electricity,medicine and other supplies for the victim. Also the growing Palestinian population shows this is not a genocide. If Israel wanted to genocide the Palestinians,they would have already done it long ago.
Thats your own definition on self definition here is the definition of self defense according to prominent dictionaries, and in the law :
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-defense
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/self-defence
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/self-defense
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1909
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/self-defense.html
Quote
Use of reasonable force (as compared with the attacker's force) in protection of one's person, family, property, or anyone else against attempted or threatened attack. Legal doctrine of self defense justifies a preemptive action taken in the reasonable belief of immediate danger, without making any retreat, and may (specially in case of provocation) condone killing of the perpetrator of a murderous attack.
Except that as proven above it was Israel that attacked first, so this whole argument is totally false as and by your logic here it's Hamas that is on self defense here (Hamas in my eyes is a terrorist group as they targeting indiscriminately Israeli civilians but Israel is even worse by this same definition)
As for Israel warning civilians please lol, the so called warning bombs killed over 30 Palestinians, there thousands of strikes that were made without warning, you seems to avoid the part when I site the example of the 8 years old children that were playing in the beach, or just today the UN Shelter that was blown to dust resulting in the death of 30-40 Palestinians and hundreds of injuries (this is a crime war btw according to UN rules)
This is a genocide, look up the recent genocides listed according to the UN, and you'll see that what's happening in Gaza is similar to those in terms of numbers and events
The question "who started" will take you nowhere and can go back to 1948. i can say Hamas started by suicide attacking Israelis in 2002.
Israel can't make warning for every attack,the target can escape.
I didn't say Israel is always 100% right,but people,including innocents die during war.
That UN school might have hosted hamas rockets,who knows? they found Hamas rockets in UNRWA schools twice,therfore making it a valid target
http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools
Define "Genocide"
Do you even read what I'm saying or just posting blindly again the same thing, You are repeating the same things that were answered point by point, read again please and can you please answer what was mentioned on point as for the origins of the conflicts, it's 1948 the problems started at the end of the 19 century with the birth of Zionism and it became serious after WWI but that's not the point you are just dodging the point where you claimed that this event is Hamas fault, which was proven wrong
I gave you the definition of genocide ...
if the Palestinians are not in this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll) does not mean that there is not a GENOCIDE!
Israeli cabinet rejects US proposal for "humanitarian pause" in Gaza fighting
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/israel-rejects-us-ceasefire-proposal
<< Binyamin Netanyahu's ministers turn down ceasefire plan on day when Gaza's death toll passes 820. >>
I have here a picture of ONE lion who's friendly to a zebra. Don't tell me ALL lions and zebras can be friends!
Don't get me wrong, it's always nice to see people get along, but those videos and pics prove nothing in the countries' context.
Don't get me wrong, it's always nice to see people get along, but those videos and pics prove nothing in the countries' context.
Orthodox Jews marching alongside Palestinians in protests just 2 weeks ago in London...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg_1UqeVIZ8
do you see any Palestinian supporters trying to hurt the Jews? do you see any Jews trying to hurt the Palestinians?
do you see anyone being shot or beaten?
this is how real democracy is carried out.
Isreal supporters should be ashamed for calling themselves democratic they should be ashamed for calling themselves Jews when they support the brutal oppression of other people.
these guys in the video are the real Jewish heroes speaking their mind without bashing anyone.
Jews and Palestinians living together peacefully this is what the Israeli Propaganda machine doesn't want you to know.
lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg_1UqeVIZ8
do you see any Palestinian supporters trying to hurt the Jews? do you see any Jews trying to hurt the Palestinians?
do you see anyone being shot or beaten?
this is how real democracy is carried out.
Isreal supporters should be ashamed for calling themselves democratic they should be ashamed for calling themselves Jews when they support the brutal oppression of other people.
these guys in the video are the real Jewish heroes speaking their mind without bashing anyone.
Jews and Palestinians living together peacefully this is what the Israeli Propaganda machine doesn't want you to know.
“kill Jews, “Hitler should finish you off,”
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/israel-supporters-attacked-by-crowd-shouting-kill-jews-in-canada/
Scroll down and you'll see more of your "peaceful" demonstration in French
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/21/pro-gaza-rallies-worldwide-tainted-by-anti-semitism-calgary-organizer-to-apologize-for-violence/
Belgium:
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.606834
Orthodox Jews marching alongside Palestinians and people from many other countries in protests just 2 weeks ago in London...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg_1UqeVIZ8
do you see any Palestinian supporters trying to hurt the Jews? do you see any Jews trying to hurt the Palestinians?
do you see anyone being shot or beaten?
this is how real democracy is carried out.
Isreal supporters should be ashamed for calling themselves democratic they should be ashamed for calling themselves Jews when they support the brutal oppression of other people.
these guys in the video are the real Jewish heroes speaking their mind without bashing anyone.
Jews and Palestinians living together peacefully this is what the Israeli Propaganda machine doesn't want you to know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18bBl6dI5_M
and here is the Pro Isreal side..... where are the Jews? why cant I see any orthodox Jews protesting for Isreal?
why is the Pro Isreal group so tiny?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg_1UqeVIZ8
do you see any Palestinian supporters trying to hurt the Jews? do you see any Jews trying to hurt the Palestinians?
do you see anyone being shot or beaten?
this is how real democracy is carried out.
Isreal supporters should be ashamed for calling themselves democratic they should be ashamed for calling themselves Jews when they support the brutal oppression of other people.
these guys in the video are the real Jewish heroes speaking their mind without bashing anyone.
Jews and Palestinians living together peacefully this is what the Israeli Propaganda machine doesn't want you to know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18bBl6dI5_M
and here is the Pro Isreal side..... where are the Jews? why cant I see any orthodox Jews protesting for Isreal?
why is the Pro Isreal group so tiny?
this is what happens if you protest in any of isreals occupied territories..
this is isreali democracy...
when jews protest they shoot them with water cannons and hit them with batons.
when palestinians protest they shoot them with live ammunition.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israel-kills-palestinian-west-bank-clashes-2014724213831750431.html
here are some orthodox jews protesting for comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGY5hxmFc2Y
Another biased post full of bullshit and racism.this is isreali democracy...
when jews protest they shoot them with water cannons and hit them with batons.
when palestinians protest they shoot them with live ammunition.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israel-kills-palestinian-west-bank-clashes-2014724213831750431.html
here are some orthodox jews protesting for comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGY5hxmFc2Y
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4549646,00.html
When Jews protest they don't throw Molotov cocktails or throw stones (stones can kill, fyi, but of course that's a legitimate way to protest for you, so long as they throw it at Israelis) or FIRE LIVE AMMUNITION.
"al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades has claimed responsibility for the gunfire"
So there's that.
Here's a video of how palestinians are raising their kids to worship death and that being suicide bombers is a noble goal.
Video isn't from the PoV of an Israeli, but an Australian woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b2QhQQpHck
Muslim supports Israel and recognize that it's been villainized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ftGzKVDAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR-jMY9e5wI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fbDjpbBHb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-vXD84Pv0I
But, I guess I can't expect much from a Ukrainian. When you guys got an issue, you just shot down an air-plane full of civilians or just do w/e and hide it with your corrupted police force.
This is a Zionist symbol
http://www.zfa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/ZFA-Symbol-Only-Colour.jpg
This is an apartheid south African swastika
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2XTDc98peCo/TYpR3ZTC4vI/AAAAAAAAAD4/uovAC9QkRUs/s1600/awb.png
when you compare the two its just plain creepy....
http://www.zfa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/ZFA-Symbol-Only-Colour.jpg
This is an apartheid south African swastika
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2XTDc98peCo/TYpR3ZTC4vI/AAAAAAAAAD4/uovAC9QkRUs/s1600/awb.png
when you compare the two its just plain creepy....
This site has made me die of laughter!
google "zionist children" and see what you get.. I tried it and this is what I got...
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=zionist&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=TSvSU__SDYfc8AXnqYKACQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1858&bih=1019#q=zionist+children&tbm=isch
looks like google must be right because that isreali guy said so...
this is what happens if you protest in any of isreals occupied territories..
this is isreali democracy...
when jews protest they shoot them with water cannons and hit them with batons.
when palestinians protest they shoot them with live ammunition.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israel-kills-palestinian-west-bank-clashes-2014724213831750431.html
here are some orthodox jews protesting for comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGY5hxmFc2Y
now watch this footage from the actual protest in the west bank (as detailed above) and see if any of the Palestinians are holding guns.
I see rocks, burning tires, fireworks.... where are the terrorists and rockets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNwbgQkGXQ
I suppose it doesn't matter to the IDF because all Palestinians are terrorists in their eyes.
this is isreali democracy...
when jews protest they shoot them with water cannons and hit them with batons.
when palestinians protest they shoot them with live ammunition.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israel-kills-palestinian-west-bank-clashes-2014724213831750431.html
here are some orthodox jews protesting for comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGY5hxmFc2Y
now watch this footage from the actual protest in the west bank (as detailed above) and see if any of the Palestinians are holding guns.
I see rocks, burning tires, fireworks.... where are the terrorists and rockets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNwbgQkGXQ
I suppose it doesn't matter to the IDF because all Palestinians are terrorists in their eyes.
USA 
and we know why ................
and we know why ................Lets say there are 2 factions. Faction A is the US Israel lobby. Faction B is the US political class.
Faction A, on account of its massive financial and economic power within the US, then dictates that any individual having aspirations to enter Faction B must toe the Israeli line.
This leads to a situation whereby perhaps no more than a dozen out of more than 400 Representatives are pro-Palestinian
To what extent can the US really be classed as a democracy ?
It isn't/can't be.
Its a joke that isn't funny anymore.
Whats really disgraceful is the abstentians in the above vote - the US's bitches. Of which my country is one, the UK.
The USA is not nor has it ever been a Democracy.
Period.
Learn your fucking history and get back to us please.
In the meantime STFU because you have no idea what you are writing about.
You mean the US is a republic - and not strictly a democracy ? Its sort of odd this, don't you think, given that the US's foreign policy for the last 50 years has been based (ostensibly at least) on spreading "Freedom and Democracy" throughout the world. And now you are telling me that the US isn't even itself a democracy. You couldn't make this stuff up
Well, as fascinating and instructive to the debate in hand as that might be, the point is that whatever you wish to call it, the US is definitely not a country whose Middle Eastern foreign policy is one being dictated by the people of the US.
You could, I suppose, make a strong arguement that says the geopoloitical positioning of Israel in the Middle East serves US interests - and so the US pro Israeli lobby is merely preaching to the converted.
But this just kind of takes us around full circle. Who then is answerable for the genocide in Palestine ? Israel, the US Govt., or the US pro Israel lobby ?
They all are.
http://rt.com/politics/174324-kadyrov-israel-palestine-chechnya/
Chechen leader blasts Israel’s ‘unjustified cruelty’ towards Palestinians
Chechen leader blasts Israel’s ‘unjustified cruelty’ towards Palestinians
Another one that re-defines Jihad. Unfortunately the Quran and Hadeeth aren't up to interpretations, Muhammad set it by example, and we can't say he was seeking any spiritual guidance... at least it's hard to see where spiritual guidance fits into the wars we was constantly fighting.
http://rt.com/politics/174324-kadyrov-israel-palestine-chechnya/
Chechen leader blasts Israel’s ‘unjustified cruelty’ towards Palestinians
Chechen leader blasts Israel’s ‘unjustified cruelty’ towards Palestinians
This site has made me die of laughter!
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