Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. - page 18.

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Quote from: hologram on July 20, 2014, 09:03:27 AM

Quote from: u9y42 on July 20, 2014, 08:57:42 AM

Not only that, but overall the expenditure in security is pretty high - all conveniently passed on to the Israeli population, and so they end up with a higher cost of living.

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But that is all the more reason for Israel to stop the illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and the settlement of their land, stop the blockade, and move towards a peace settlement; instead, they are just making sure they will be spending even more in the future by escalating this conflict.

Here, I'll explain. It's easy, really: in order to oppress people and take their land you need to spend a lot of money. If you stop trying to do that, you don't need to spend that money. Did that help?

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Quote from: u9y42 on July 20, 2014, 08:57:42 AM

Not only that, but overall the expenditure in security is pretty high - all conveniently passed on to the Israeli population, and so they end up with a higher cost of living.

logical hole

But that is all the more reason for Israel to stop the illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and the settlement of their land, stop the blockade, and move towards a peace settlement; instead, they are just making sure they will be spending even more in the future by escalating this conflict.

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Quote from: hologram on July 20, 2014, 08:15:30 AM

there is an economic problem too, Iron dome cost 30 time more to fire than an Hamas rocket, if they don't attack Hamas they would be ruined fast.

Not only that, but overall the expenditure in security is pretty high - all conveniently passed on to the Israeli population, and so they end up with a higher cost of living.

But that is all the more reason for Israel to stop the illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and the settlement of their land, stop the blockade, and move towards a peace settlement; instead, they are just making sure they will be spending even more in the future by escalating this conflict.

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there is an economic problem too, Iron dome cost 30 time more to fire than an Hamas rocket, if they don't attack Hamas they would be ruined fast.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 07:55:43 AM

On some situations the people can be lured by electoral promises that the elected body has no will to fulfill, Hamas however is a long known radical faction, hardly you can say those 51% were voting by mistake, by ignorance yes.

I wouldn't say it was a mistake either.. just pointing out that not everyone is guilty because of the actions of a stupid few.

I really doubt many people in Gaza had much of a choice when they had guns pointed at them.

take Egypt for example.. it was quite easy to vote the muslim brotherhood into power.
it was quite difficult to vote them out.

take Isreal as another example... there are actually people in Isreal who are protesting against the hard line actions of the IDF but they don't get much coverage on TV. I wouldn't blame them at all for anything the IDF does. They are the smart, practical and compassionate Isrealis.

I really don't think the actions of the IDF will do anything to weaken the political power of Hamas or weaken their resolve to keep attacking Isreal.. that's why I see it as a pointless waste of life.

given time, Hamas could have been overthrown relatively peacefully just like the Muslim brotherhood was in Egypt.. but now I think that chance is lost and things could get a whole lot worse if black flags start appearing in Gaza.

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On some situations the people can be lured by electoral promises that the elected body has no will to fulfill, Hamas however is a long known radical faction, hardly you can say those 51% were voting by mistake, by ignorance yes.

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Quote from: Alphi on July 20, 2014, 07:47:20 AM

Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 07:36:28 AM

Quote from: Alphi on July 20, 2014, 07:30:34 AM

do you seriously think Palestine = Hamas?

Democracy has that issue of making the people responsible for their choices and Palestinians voted for this guys. That is a big issue! And to lend our ears to listen to Hamas means their tactics are working: keep the conflict alive, drop some children and women at the frontline and so on.

I wouldn't blame Palestinians for Hamas.. any more than I would blame Jews for the Israeli government.
and i don't blame American people for George bush.

In a democracy you only need 51% of the voter support to form a government.. not everyone.

when I talk about Isreal I am always talking about the government and its policies, not the people.

the way I understand things.. .Hamas is only in control in Gaza... that is less than half of the Palestinian people that live in the territory of Isreal/Palestine.. and much less than half of all Palestinians

someone can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think the IDF are bombing the west bank where the other Palestinians live...

The Israelis have there only with Gaza .. and I do not understand why!

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Hamas is the problem, would be better if Egypt take back Gaza.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 07:36:28 AM

Quote from: Alphi on July 20, 2014, 07:30:34 AM

do you seriously think Palestine = Hamas?

Democracy has that issue of making the people responsible for their choices and Palestinians voted for this guys. That is a big issue! And to lend our ears to listen to Hamas means their tactics are working: keep the conflict alive, drop some children and women at the frontline and so on.

I wouldn't blame Palestinians for Hamas.. any more than I would blame Jews for the Israeli government.
and i don't blame Americans for George bush. (im just glad that big mistake is over)

In a democracy you only need 51% of the voter support to form a government.. not everyone.

when I talk about Isreal I am always talking about the government and its policies, not the people.

the way I understand things.. .Hamas is only in control in Gaza... that is less than half of the Palestinian people that live in the territory of Isreal/Palestine.. and fraction of all Palestinians

someone can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think the IDF are bombing the west bank where the other Palestinians live...

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Quote from: Alphi on July 20, 2014, 07:30:34 AM

Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 07:14:23 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on July 20, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Where are the humanity Huh

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God protect and bless the Palestinian people !!

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Well, your sentence is an example of the problem. "God bless the Palestinian people" is it? How about Israelis? Are suitable for target practice or something?

Or is it "humanity" if you cheer for Hamas&company but not "humanity" if you go otherwise?

maybe your sentence is an example of the problem.

do you seriously think Palestine = Hamas?

there is no humanity in what both Isreal and Hamas are doing right now.

there is no humane way to kill children, and no humane way to force 10s of thousands of people to flee for their lives..

both sides are equally to blame but it is the innocent people that get caught in the middle that pay the ultimate price.

some wise person said.. "in war there are no winners, only losers...."

how rich would israel be if they didn't have to spend so much money building walls and anti missile launchers.
how rich would palestine be if they didn't spend so much time digging tunnels and making rockets.

In fact the people which stands in the middle has nothing to do! But no state in the world takes action to stop it ... So they too are complicit !

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Quote from: Alphi on July 20, 2014, 07:30:34 AM

do you seriously think Palestine = Hamas?

Democracy has that issue of making the people responsible for their choices and Palestinians voted for this guys. That is a big issue! And to lend our ears to listen to Hamas means their tactics are working: keep the conflict alive, drop some children and women at the frontline and so on.

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#Free market

Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 07:27:25 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on July 20, 2014, 07:25:30 AM

Human shields? it's too easy to think so ...

try looking at it from both sides! No reason for the two peoples to fight .... they could live together in one land!

PS: Sorry for my english , i don't know very well Roll Eyes

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^This is the important thing. Not cheer for Palestine or Israel on the conflict. Why should we take sides?!

Your thinking is correct ! but why do the war?

<< Si vis pacem, para bellum >>

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Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 07:14:23 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on July 20, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Where are the humanity Huh

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God protect and bless the Palestinian people !!

Supporto for them

Well, your sentence is an example of the problem. "God bless the Palestinian people" is it? How about Israelis? Are suitable for target practice or something?

Or is it "humanity" if you cheer for Hamas&company but not "humanity" if you go otherwise?

maybe your sentence is an example of the problem.

do you seriously think Palestine = Hamas?

there is no humanity in what both Isreal and Hamas are doing right now.

there is no humane way to kill children, and no humane way to force 10s of thousands of people to flee for their lives..

both sides are equally to blame but it is the innocent people that get caught in the middle that pay the ultimate price.

some wise person said.. "in war there are no winners, only losers...."

how rich would israel be if they didn't have to spend so much money building walls and anti missile launchers.
how rich would palestine be if they didn't spend so much time digging tunnels and making rockets.

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Quote from: redsn0w on July 20, 2014, 07:25:30 AM

Human shields? it's too easy to think so ...

try looking at it from both sides! No reason for the two peoples to fight .... they could live together in one land!

PS: Sorry for my english , i don't know very well Roll Eyes

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^This is the important thing. Not cheer for Palestine or Israel on the conflict. Why should we take sides?!

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#Free market

Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 07:20:29 AM

In a decent civilization children is protected and away from the frontline...
You don't see many Israeli children being hurt because Israelis doesn't put them as human shields.

Human shields? it's too easy to think so ...

try looking at it from both sides! No reason for the two peoples to fight .... they could live together in one land!

PS: Sorry for my english , i don't know very well Roll Eyes

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Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 06:51:33 AM

Nobody wants to get Palestinian refugees for the same reason EU doesn't want to take Romanian gypsies inside.

The Arab countries don't want the Palestinians, since it will encourage emigration of Arabs from that region. For example, more than half the population of Jordan is ethnic Palestinian. But very few of them have Jordanian citizenship.

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In a decent civilization children is protected and away from the frontline...
You don't see many Israeli children being hurt because Israelis doesn't put them as human shields.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on July 20, 2014, 07:14:23 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on July 20, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Where are the humanity Huh

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God protect and bless the Palestinian people !!

Supporto for them

Well, your sentence is an example of the problem. "God bless the Palestinian people" is it? How about Israelis? Are suitable for target practice or something?

Or is it "humanity" if you cheer for Hamas&company but not "humanity" if you go otherwise?

Children should not be touched! israel should be ashamed -.-

The Israelis are doing the same thing the Nazis did a long time ago .

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Quote from: redsn0w on July 20, 2014, 07:12:34 AM

Where are the humanity Huh

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God protect and bless the Palestinian people !!

Supporto for them

Well, your sentence is an example of the problem. "God bless the Palestinian people" is it? How about Israelis? Are suitable for target practice or something?

Or is it "humanity" if you cheer for Hamas&company but not "humanity" if you go otherwise?

redsn0w

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#Free market

Where are the humanity Huh

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God protect and bless the Palestinian people !!

Supporto for them

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