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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

The media has the ability to shape the opinions of the wider society, and its current omnipresence is the foremost influence leading to market manipulation. Society still places trust in media controlled by centralized entities, and no one can predict what narratives the major media outlets will craft tomorrow.

Furthermore, governments hold sway over the presence of news. This means that the collaboration between the government and the media represents the most effective concoction for generating false news. As long as the government wields control over the media, individuals within the government must be held accountable for the news and opinions disseminated.

The wealthy wield even greater power. Figures like Elon Musk, with a simple tweet encouraging Bitcoin purchases, can influence many to invest in Bitcoin, despite not undertaking any substantial actions.

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I just want to mention this, the crypto market is a place that represents economic goals, but it is still too small to see its fluctuations. Price manipulation is not a rare story as it can be found in almost all different markets, and of course people and organizations speculating in investment will naturally pay attention to this market. But I understand that if we want to escape control, this market must develop strongly.

We can get a hint once manipulation happen if we can see a lot of negative news spreading especially on famous crypto pages and news. They do that in purpose since manipulators want to play peoples emotion so we need to be watchful with those indicators so that we will not get fooled by them and can do some counteraction about possible things they do and possible to earn on situation that might occur.

I do agree that if you see a lot of bad news about bitcoin and the price falling, that is exactly the moment to buy bitcoin. A lot of people forget that bitcoin is something that will benefit you on the long run and if you are not careful then it is going to be a lot different. I know that it is going to be something that is different and difficult, there is no point in thinking that you would be able to see the manipulation before it happens, but you could definitely react after it happens.

Like I wouldn't know before they make all those bad news, if I knew it then I would have shorted bitcoin, but since I can't, at the very least ı could just buy when it goes down and then hold it until it goes back up again.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

Yes of course. The business gurus which is also known as the Capitalists manipulate all markets to suit their taste. The manipulation of market is not only in bitcoin but also in every economic activities. And yes the price of cryptocurrency can be manipulated those capitalist and in bitcoin blockchain we call them whales.

US economy is control by those business tycoon therefore the the value and the stock market too is control by them because if the market fall it will affect their daily income and their business. And the people that are manipulating the economic system have been mentioned but are those who are into serious business with the State.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I believe any powerful countries can manipulate the market anytime they want, since regulators can't prove if the market is being manipulated or not, that's why it can happen anytime, and anywhere around the globe.

For example, country A wants to manipulate the market for country B's economy will stop growing for a certain period of time because of inflation or deflation of their own currency or stocks. So, yes, market manipulation is very common everywhere. It's happening I believe in order for powerful people to gain control, profits, and power.

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Quote from: bluebit25 on September 01, 2023, 05:20:29 AM

Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I just want to mention this, the crypto market is a place that represents economic goals, but it is still too small to see its fluctuations. Price manipulation is not a rare story as it can be found in almost all different markets, and of course people and organizations speculating in investment will naturally pay attention to this market. But I understand that if we want to escape control, this market must develop strongly.

Wealthy individuals or strong influencerss withaveower can manipulate the price of cryptocurrencies. But we don't know who can do it and how much power they have in manipulating it. Obviously we can only guess without knowing for sure.

Even though the current crypto market has changed a lot from a few years ago, surely there are still those who can manipulate the market. And because now we are not only dealing with individuals but also everyone who is interested in crypto.

These few people may have a strong influence that can change the market. Moreover, if this is related to worldwide events, it can clearly influence where the market moves. But I do not know. I'm just speculating.

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Quote from: icalical on August 30, 2023, 06:40:11 AM

USD and other fiat money is definitely manipulated since it's controlled by the government and they need their currency to be in good value. Cryptocurrency, most of altcoins can be easily manipulated since they are mostly centralized, the central hold most of the coins and they can do anything they want with that. Bitcoin is decentralized so it's difficult to be manipulated, not impossible but the very difficult.

I would say we shouldn't call that manipulation but more like that's the nature of it. I mean it's obvious that we are talking about the biggest currency in the world, you could go anywhere in the world and use USD aside from maybe China and Russia I would guess.

This is why it's obvious that we are going to end up with a result that would be a bit more like natural manipulation of it, and not like unexpected one. I am not saying that this would be a good thing, of course we wouldn't want it, but that's the part of it and we need to accept that it's just how it is. I get that some people may want to see some different sides of it but that's not going to happen, as long as USD exists, this is how the future of it will look like.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I just want to mention this, the crypto market is a place that represents economic goals, but it is still too small to see its fluctuations. Price manipulation is not a rare story as it can be found in almost all different markets, and of course people and organizations speculating in investment will naturally pay attention to this market. But I understand that if we want to escape control, this market must develop strongly.

We can get a hint once manipulation happen if we can see a lot of negative news spreading especially on famous crypto pages and news. They do that in purpose since manipulators want to play peoples emotion so we need to be watchful with those indicators so that we will not get fooled by them and can do some counteraction about possible things they do and possible to earn on situation that might occur.

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Manipulation is a winning strategy that these rich businessmen, politicians, and those who are in the government position. But why does this thing exist? It is because they believe that once you have the power to manipulate something like the market price, people's thinking, and in the crypto space. They are on top of others and seem to become respected by those on the low level of society.

We can't escape from the said manipulation because it was habitual already and the next, next generation will be even worse than today.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

If a cryptocurrency has a small market capitalization, its price can absolutely be manipulated by a few wealthy and influential individuals. If it's a big decentralized cryptocurrency like Bitcoin and perhaps like Ethereum, I don't believe its price can be manipulated or controlled. But there's also a difference between manipulating a price and trying controlling the price. When people talk about the price manipulation, they usually mean that something can be done to cause a sudden growth or drop. When the price is controlled, it's usually about trying to keep it steady, to minimize volatility.
Fiat currencies are controlled, but I wouldn't call it a price manipulation. If a strong fiat currency can be kept fairly stable, for instance, that in no way means that it's possible to make its value suddenly increase by 20%, for example. And sometimes things can go out of control, with a currency's value becoming very different from the target value of the authorities. Stable coins are controlled, but again, I wouldn't call it price manipulation. And hypothetically, they can also crash, get out of control.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

I just want to mention this, the crypto market is a place that represents economic goals, but it is still too small to see its fluctuations. Price manipulation is not a rare story as it can be found in almost all different markets, and of course people and organizations speculating in investment will naturally pay attention to this market. But I understand that if we want to escape control, this market must develop strongly.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

If you are talking about altcoins, know that they are mostly centralized so any group or entity can easily manipulate its price or value. Unlike bitcoin, it's completely decentralized so even the government has nothing to do with its current value or price. Just like no one can access bitcoin except the owner itself. However, in a centralized system, market manipulation is always present. Whatever the government wants, the government gets. Even private businesses can still be manipulated through its governed laws wherein business owners are obliged to follow.

Are you sure bitcoin is not being manipulated? Do you remember 1 or 2 weeks ago bitcoin was suddenly dumped to $25,000 and then people spread rumors that it was Elon who sold his remaining bitcoins causing the market to drop? But later it was pointed out that he was not the cause and so far there is no reason for that decline. Isn't that Bitcoin price manipulation?
If you say that the bitcoin network cannot be manipulated then I completely agree. But saying bitcoin prices aren't susceptible to manipulation is as naive as I've heard. Not just bitcoin, there is no financial market that is not manipulated.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

First of all, price of true Cryptocurrency like Bitcoin can't be manipulated or dishonestly controlled by anyone. The power to do so was taken away from those who could in the past. The current price movements of the market are true reflection of natural market forces. Meaning, only things that naturally contribute to price movements will effect the price. Not some forces somewhere selling thousands of coins just to push the price downward whereas the economic/market force, sentiment or general feeling is bullish.
By the way, you don't need to have loads of money to contribute to price increase or decrease. Just one positive/truthful word or two, or some useful/good organic contributions are enough to move price up. An opposing force can't succeed in moving price downward if its words or contribution are just false, manipulative or inorganic.

Same applies to the fiat system, but unlike Bitcoin the market forces of fiats are based on the world's system or centralized fundamentals which could be considered manipulative. For example, dollars regulators printing more dollars to purposely weaken it abit. This is allowed by their laws...and we sometimes overlook it.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

As long as the currency system can still be controlled by authorities who have influence over every policy that is made, then opportunities for manipulation can still be carried out.

USD and other fiat currencies can be controlled by the government.
For altcoins, large amounts of coins or token owners can be manipulated.

Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

'ruler' who has influence on every policy.
Owner of large capital.

Let's move on to bitcoin as a currency with a good hedge.

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Quote from: Unbunplease on August 30, 2023, 04:51:31 PM

Essentially, if there is no manipulator in a particular market, that market becomes sluggish and boring.There are a lot of markets now - and it takes a strong movement in a particular market to draw attention to it. Yes, manipulators are evil, but they are often a necessary evil.

You're making sense and which is why the cryptocurency market has been getting attention recently because of the manipulation of the price is getting the attention of millionaires that would love to exercise their strength in the market and that's also why whenever they make a purchase, they keep announcing it so it'll make others to follow them to make purchase but they sell slightly without alerting the market just as Tesla did few weeks back without we knowing until the market dip.

Manipulation might be positive to the market as it brings lots of attention to the market but don't you think too much of it is bad for the reputation of the market. When individual begin to noticed too much manipulation, they can't trust the market and will stay away from it.

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Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

Everyone wields different powers when it comes to business. Some say that cryptocurrency prices can be manipulated by wealthy individuals. Despite being decentralized, it seems that price movements can be controlled by specific entities.

So, in your opinion, can everything related to money in this world be manipulated? For instance, do you believe that the value of the USD or the largest stock market in the US can be manipulated by a few individuals?

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

If you are talking about altcoins, know that they are mostly centralized so any group or entity can easily manipulate its price or value. Unlike bitcoin, it's completely decentralized so even the government has nothing to do with its current value or price. Just like no one can access bitcoin except the owner itself. However, in a centralized system, market manipulation is always present. Whatever the government wants, the government gets. Even private businesses can still be manipulated through its governed laws wherein business owners are obliged to follow.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on August 31, 2023, 04:52:19 PM

Yes of course, literally anything that can be manipulated is manipulated, at least to some extent. The crazy thing is "back in the day" when the stock market wasn't as robust as it is now, market makers use to be able to move stocks easily with just a simple /somewhat non-sizable trade. Today most stocks are also owned in funds (mutual funds/ETFs/dark pools/hedge funds etc) so manipulation is a bit more difficult, but it's still happens.

Bitcoin is no different, big time heavy hitters can and do manipulate bitcoins price..though it's hopefully only getting harder and harder to do as more bitcoin is mined and more buyers spread the wealth.

I agree, there is always manipulation with anything that can be manipulated. In market manipulation, there are two techniques that people use to apply this. The first one is called Pump and Dump wherein the price of security artificially is infiltrated and then the manipulator sells out which causes followers to only be left with overvalued security, this technique is mostly used on stocks with micro-market capitalization. The other technique is called Poop and Scoop where the price of a stock is artificially deflated then the manipulator will buy the undervalued shares which causes them to have profit. As for currency, there is also what we call Currency Manipulation, which I'm sure some of us are already familiar with. It is manipulation that is not considered illegal but is heavily frowned upon. It is a manipulation controlled or executed by authorities like the Central Bank. Trading partners may also choose to apply sanctions on currency manipulation by deflating or inflating the value of their own currency under the floating exchange rate system.

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Yes of course, literally anything that can be manipulated is manipulated, at least to some extent. The crazy thing is "back in the day" when the stock market wasn't as robust as it is now, market makers use to be able to move stocks easily with just a simple /somewhat non-sizable trade. Today most stocks are also owned in funds (mutual funds/ETFs/dark pools/hedge funds etc) so manipulation is a bit more difficult, but it's still happens.

Bitcoin is no different, big time heavy hitters can and do manipulate bitcoins price..though it's hopefully only getting harder and harder to do as more bitcoin is mined and more buyers spread the wealth.

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Manipulation of crypto asset prices and trading volumes most likely exists - but I want to know one thing, is it not against the rules of a service?

This manipulation will create injustice for market players - that's can harm other people regardless of the fluctuating nature of crypto assets. I would like to hear whether centralized services can actually prevent markets from being truly efficient for all traders and they are able to guarantee that there is no manipulation carried out by a certain group of people?

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Quote from: Iroh on August 30, 2023, 06:10:40 PM

Quote from: Okayama on August 29, 2023, 04:05:54 PM

What kind of people are capable of market manipulation?

Individuals who wield a lot of influence, unions and just about anyone in a position of power and authority. A lot of manipulation of the market occurs when people get greedy in order to make a lot of profits. While it may not exactly be that much of a common occurrence as it’s viewed as being unethical and illegal, it happens and would probably continue to happen.
I think the market as well as a whole lot of other things are open to manipulation from people who are influential as well as others who stand to profit. That’s why despite the policies put forward to curb this practice, it still happens.

Authority holders can easily perform the manipulation. If there are not enough laws and there are people who are hungry for money, there will always be manipulation. The most effective way to prevent this is through laws but lawmakers can break their own laws by taking bribes by manipulators. States are the most important preventers of manipulation. With strict control, this can be prevented and the theft of innocent people's money can be prevented. However, greed for money takes precedence over everything else. Big fish are provided with easy bait with manipulation.

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market manipulation is very rampant so it does indeed a common occurrence that happened quite literally everywhere whether it's forex, stock market, cryptocurrencies, heck even gold also got some manipulation and all the precious metals.
you just expected such thing to occur since those whales with millions if not billions in their wallet will definitely try to take effort into growing their capital by simply taking advantage of their own capital and then start from there.
its even more rampant with newer emerging altcoins including shitcoin and meme coins where if you wonder about it, where did these shitcoin got their liquidity exactly, the answer is from these manipulators that infested the market.
this is the reason shitcoin market is highly speculative sometime rugpull isn't something that gonna shock anyone, everyone already expected that some of the coins will do rugpull since there's just simply so much manipulation happening behind
the scene.

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