Is stealing Bitcoin illegal? - page 22.

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Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 06:32:05 PM

Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.

if it is by accident i thinks you cannot call it stealing and it is not considered as illegal . Grin

it would be illegal if you literally stole it by hacking his bitcoin wallet through phishing or whatever can be a way to access his belonging . you just give the example that you have generated a new address and by miracle it already has a bitcoin in it , so you don't need to be worried you should be thankful because of that accident . haha Grin

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In countries when bitcoin is illegal, i think it's not illegal to steal it but anyway when you reciving this bitocoins you becoming a criminal Grin

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yes its really illegal to stealing of bitcoin i think normally everything stealing is illegal so we can steal bitcoin or other thing from other its surely illegal.

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Quote from: Barbut on August 30, 2016, 11:26:47 AM

Still talking about something that everyone agree about. OP need to lock this thread, conclusion is that every stealing is illegal, no matter what.
With that conclusion (op need to add it in headline) everyone knows opinion of community. I doubt that will stop thiefs and scammers, but at least we try something to do about it. Rising awareness can help people to not fall in their traps.

I completely agree, although after reading the thread it's kind of worries me to think that a thief or scammer thinks it's okay to steal bitcoin just because it thinks that just cause it might not be considered ''real money'' it's not illegal and hence ok to do. The best we can do to fight it as you said is raise awareness and educate people to take smart decisions.

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Still talking about something that everyone agree about. OP need to lock this thread, conclusion is that every stealing is illegal, no matter what.
With that conclusion (op need to add it in headline) everyone knows opinion of community. I doubt that will stop thiefs and scammers, but at least we try something to do about it. Rising awareness can help people to not fall in their traps.

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Quote from: karachi dolphen on August 30, 2016, 11:18:21 AM

yes stealing of bitcoin is illegal just like stealing of money,

It is very true friend, something that can harm someone, such as taking someone, we borrowed but not telling you, etc is something that is illegal and it is included in the category of theft. If it was illegal then we will not get a thing happiness wherever, stays on the right track and never tempted by the lure of that have no meaning in the afterlife

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yes stealing of bitcoin is illegal just like stealing of money,

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Quote from: Arcteryx on July 16, 2016, 08:21:57 PM

I would hope so Shocked

After all bitcoin is equal to money. Cause what if someone who ran a ponzi scheme and took in 250 BTC from people. Would that not be seen as a crime? That is theft I would say for sure and maybe even a conviction of fraud directed towards the investors of that scheme.

I dont think stealing bitcoins is illegal because they dont even know what to think about the bitcoin them self is that not illegal i dont think they can track your coins back so if they steal it ylou cant get them back and that is the most reason why people are also using more walllets.

what, are you fucking crazy or what? dont talk like that as there will be more thieves then and besides that it is definitely not legal to steal other people property

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Quote from: dearbesz1219 on August 29, 2016, 11:44:44 PM

Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 06:32:05 PM

Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.

We know that any illegal act is a kind of bad habit whether intentional or unintentional. But in your case you didn't expect that things will happen to you. So the question is how are you going to turn it back? Besides its not your fault its just sent to the address you generated.

Intentional or not its the same thing if you intend to get those bitcoin or not. Same as you said if he intend to give back that coins to the real owner but the big question is how? since you dont even know whos the owner that you accidentally generated by you. FOr sure you would keep those coins and thats stealing in any sense.

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Quote from: Harlot on August 29, 2016, 10:13:18 PM

Legal and Moral are two different kind of words. Some even use lawyers to bend around the laws, but are they moral? Of course not. Moral is what you know is fair for them or what is right to do. There are even laws that make bad things unpunished, for example if you are married , you are not valid for rape charges, so are these moral?

Okay that awakens me. Going back to the topic, if you are not aware that you steal it then it would be legal. Since you are not bothered with what you have and do not think that you stole something. But if you are a righteous one or someone that values morality then what happened is an illegal thing. Having already bitcoins on the wallet that he/she generated.

If you are married and then you wanted to do some sensual things with your partner but refuses it, yeah maybe it is not valid. But I heard of some cases that were filed on court. Wink

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Quote from: cpfreeplz on July 16, 2016, 08:37:11 PM

It could never happen in your entire lifetime so don't worry about it. Now if you intentionally stole some bitcoins by hacking someone's computer or stealing a phone then yes it's illegal.

True, you cannot give any reason about that if you really intentionally plan to steal it. neither hacking someone's computer, whether it is an online or offline transaction.

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Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 06:32:05 PM

Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.

We know that any illegal act is a kind of bad habit whether intentional or unintentional. But in your case you didn't expect that things will happen to you. So the question is how are you going to turn it back? Besides its not your fault its just sent to the address you generated.

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 29, 2016, 01:50:51 PM

I think bitcoin is considered legal tender in some countries, in others its recognized as an asset... anyway, the case is, yes its very illegal to steal bitcoin, the problem is, its very hard to caught crypto thefts.

Most of the countries still doesn't recognize bitcoin at all. So, they don't have regarding about this kind of act. But if we are going to see it lightly, it is really an illegal thing if someone is going to do it. And of course if you don't want to happen it to you, then don't do it to others. As karma is really always there.

Agree, if you intend to report about the stolen bitcoin incident in your country and it doesnt heared about bitcoin then for sure its still be useless but in just commonsense stealing to someone is illegal even no one sees you but you already create a crime. True, karma is real.

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Legal and Moral are two different kind of words. Some even use lawyers to bend around the laws, but are they moral? Of course not. Moral is what you know is fair for them or what is right to do. There are even laws that make bad things unpunished, for example if you are married , you are not valid for rape charges, so are these moral?

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Quote from: mk4 on August 26, 2016, 06:14:23 AM

Stealing in general is illegal. Bitcoins? Ofcourse. It's a currency. It's stealing money basically.

I think regardless bitcoin is a currency or not. but whatever you stole from others is despicable and illegal act and I believe every country has laws to steal activities. surely you will be in jail when you steal something like bitcoin?

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I think bitcoin is considered legal tender in some countries, in others its recognized as an asset... anyway, the case is, yes its very illegal to steal bitcoin, the problem is, its very hard to caught crypto thefts.

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Quote from: jaesonma on August 29, 2016, 12:14:28 PM

btc is defined as money in many countries, at least it is a digital good, anyone who steals your earphone is illegal, therefore stealing btc is also illegal.

Use better real life implications ,man! I get your point but stealing bitcoins is governed by a different set of protocols than that of stealing a earphone.Stealing bitcoins is linked to more of a Cyber Crime rather than a asset theft.I'm sure they'd have different laws or depending on the jurisdiction.

Quote from: Legasean on August 29, 2016, 11:07:16 AM

I dont think stealing bitcoins can be seen as illegal because there are allot of activities going aroung with the bitcoin that are also not really legal so i dont know how you can see something as ilegal and legal with the bitcoin.

Well mister,investing in a ponzi is not considered as illegal since they're not "moving" your coins out of your wallet to theirs neither forcing you to invest,its completely your decision.What can the government do if you fall for money doubling schemes?

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btc is defined as money in many countries, at least it is a digital good, anyone who steals your earphone is illegal, therefore stealing btc is also illegal.

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Quote from: Legasean on August 29, 2016, 11:07:16 AM

I dont think stealing bitcoins can be seen as illegal because there are allot of activities going aroung with the bitcoin that are also not really legal so i dont know how you can see something as ilegal and legal with the bitcoin.

Stealing is an illegal act dude. One works hard and earns the bitcoins, but the other takes away the money from the one who earned. Really unbearable dude. This is not a good act. Stealing of anything is illegal. It can be any currency or a valuable thing. Lets not encourage this using any source like our bitcoinforum.

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