Is stealing bitcoins illegal? - page 4.

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Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

For example, if I mislead someone into sending me a large amount of bitcoins (in the United States) would that be illegal?

If I did not force them to do anything, but they sent them anticipating me to send a product in return, but I never send it.

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

yes it's called fraud
now crawl back under the stone you came from

AtheistAKASaneBrain

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Let's say you are in a country where Bitcoin is ilegal, and you steal Bitcoin... is stealing ilegal Bitcoins ilegal?

tzortz

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I am sick of such discussions.

raare123

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Its illegal, Because BTC is worth irl money.

RappelzReborn

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Of course it's illegal & it's a crime . even if they won't catch you
now depends on your ethics & conscience .

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Is a crime illegal?

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Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

For example, if I mislead someone into sending me a large amount of bitcoins (in the United States) would that be illegal?

If I did not force them to do anything, but they sent them anticipating me to send a product in return, but I never send it.

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

You are a thief and a criminal. Yes it is stealing and a felony if it is a large enough amount, depends on the state. If they can catch you, thats another story. If they cant catch 800k coins stolen from mt gox, I doubt you will get in trouble.

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Alright, since the general consensus is that stealing bitcoins is illegal.
If I discontinue the use of communication with said person (from a way that can be linked back to my IP address) and continue the conversation on an anonymized, encrypted email, with TOR, a VPN, and tails, and then execute said plan, law enforcement would have no way to prove that it was me who committed the crime and I would not be held accountable due to lack of evidence that it was me, correct?

I'm absolutely fascinated that people like you exist. Tell me about your parents. Were they cussing, drinking, smoking parents who were physically abusive to you? Do you think maybe you were born with some portions of your brain turned off (aka psycopath / no ability for empathy, etc) ?

What is it that results in a human being like you?

Are you aware that most of the world struggles with severe pain, both emotionally, physically, and otherwise because people like you exist? Wars, tortures, bloodshed, death, sadness, starvation, and misery originates with people who think ... like you. There are people around the world have to dedicate their entire lives to helping those that people like you hurt.

What is it that goes on inside the mind of someone like yourself, when you realize that you are the personification of everything most people are disgusted by, in human nature?

Just curious.

-B-

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I've had some stolen.
fucks.

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Quote from: Minecache on October 13, 2014, 05:37:05 PM

Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

For example, if I mislead someone into sending me a large amount of bitcoins (in the United States) would that be illegal?

If I did not force them to do anything, but they sent them anticipating me to send a product in return, but I never send it.

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

You are a comple and nasty individual to think andact through such an act. I have reported you to the moderators. I hope one day you gain some humility for your fellow man. How very dare you.

Well, maybe this user was speaking hypothetically, still you are right. If the idea comes the the head, another one could make it real. Stealing Bitcoins may be some sort of a "perfect crime"..

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Actual Prosecution rarely happens

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It is a crime, and one that is hard to prove and trace. I am not sure if anybody has been brought to justice yet for stealing bitcoins.

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Is this an actual topic of discussion?

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Quote from: Minecache on October 13, 2014, 05:37:05 PM

Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

For example, if I mislead someone into sending me a large amount of bitcoins (in the United States) would that be illegal?

If I did not force them to do anything, but they sent them anticipating me to send a product in return, but I never send it.

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

You are a comple and nasty individual to think andact through such an act. I have reported you to the moderators. I hope one day you gain some humility for your fellow man. How very dare you.

I think the moderators would not be bothered about somebody asking hypothetical questions in this forum.

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Quote from: shorena on October 13, 2014, 05:05:31 PM

Quote from: fsb4000 on October 13, 2014, 04:55:57 PM

Quote from: shorena on October 13, 2014, 03:32:17 PM

I think this is covered by law in most countries regardless. In germany this would probably fall under §202a StGB the so called "Hacker paragraph". Its basically electronically trespassing. The law just requires that you are not allowed the access the information/data by me and I secured it/them in a reasonable way.

What if bitcoins are stolen without hack? For example "Random generator" bug(like was https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2013-08-11-android ) or if two people use same phrase for generate bitcoin address via "brainwallet".

Not sure if "guessing the same seed for a brainwallet" counts as "overcome the accessrestriction". I am no lawyer but it think both of these would fall under "sucks to be you". Bugs are (assumed to be) not intentional and brainwallets that can easily be guess are no "accressrestriction".

Is there any known ruling about stolen bitcoin in any country?

Correctly guessing the passphriase to a brainwallet is on very shaky grounds however it likely not illegal. Since the controller of the private key is the defacto owner of the bitcoin controlled by the private key, since the person guessing brain wallets would control the private key they would be the owner of the bitcoin they move out of the brainwallet.

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Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

For example, if I mislead someone into sending me a large amount of bitcoins (in the United States) would that be illegal?

If I did not force them to do anything, but they sent them anticipating me to send a product in return, but I never send it.

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

You are a comple and nasty individual to think andact through such an act. I have reported you to the moderators. I hope one day you gain some humility for your fellow man. How very dare you.

tzortz

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Stealing shit is illegal too.

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Quote from: fsb4000 on October 13, 2014, 04:55:57 PM

Quote from: shorena on October 13, 2014, 03:32:17 PM

I think this is covered by law in most countries regardless. In germany this would probably fall under §202a StGB the so called "Hacker paragraph". Its basically electronically trespassing. The law just requires that you are not allowed the access the information/data by me and I secured it/them in a reasonable way.

What if bitcoins are stolen without hack? For example "Random generator" bug(like was https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2013-08-11-android ) or if two people use same phrase for generate bitcoin address via "brainwallet".

Not sure if "guessing the same seed for a brainwallet" counts as "overcome the accessrestriction". I am no lawyer but it think both of these would fall under "sucks to be you". Bugs are (assumed to be) not intentional and brainwallets that can easily be guess are no "accressrestriction".

Is there any known ruling about stolen bitcoin in any country?

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Quote from: shorena on October 13, 2014, 03:32:17 PM

I think this is covered by law in most countries regardless. In germany this would probably fall under §202a StGB the so called "Hacker paragraph". Its basically electronically trespassing. The law just requires that you are not allowed the access the information/data by me and I secured it/them in a reasonable way.

What if bitcoins are stolen without hack? For example "Random generator" bug(like was https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2013-08-11-android ) or if two people use same phrase for generate bitcoin address via "brainwallet".

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