Is stealing bitcoins illegal? - page 5.

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Quote from: fsb4000 on October 13, 2014, 02:46:38 PM

Quote from: jbreher on October 13, 2014, 02:05:34 PM

Theft of any tangible property is illegal. Period.

Yes.

If the state does not recognize that Bitcoin is the property, then???
I'm pretty sure that if your Bitcoins are stolen in China, the Chinese authorities will not seek criminal. So it isn't illegal...

Or I invented an even better example:
Drugs are illegal almost everywhere. So if someone steal your drugs, it isn't illegal. Because it will be not punishable by law. Because no one go to the police with a statement: "My drugs are stolen" Cheesy

Hey dumb fck , might as well use North Korean as your example.

Your analogy about drugs speak volume about your intelligence.

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Quote from: merockstar on October 13, 2014, 03:18:49 PM

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ahhhhhh gotcha.

so the question is if you have access via a private key to a spot on the blockchain, is the balance on that spot considered property?

It is technically true that you do not own bitcoin and in fact noone owns bitcoins. We are -in the terminology- just allowed to "play" with them because we "own" certain private keys.
The interesting (philosophical) question is whether someone can rightfully claim exclusive ownership over certain information.
I think this is covered by law in most countries regardless. In germany this would probably fall under §202a StGB the so called "Hacker paragraph". Its basically electronically trespassing. The law just requires that you are not allowed the access the information/data by me and I secured it/them in a reasonable way.
Whether or not this would eventually end in front of a judge is something completely different.

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What the hell is wrong with this OP Huh

Are you serious? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: shorena on October 13, 2014, 03:13:49 PM

Quote from: merockstar on October 13, 2014, 03:09:29 PM

Is the rare mmo sword being stolen or ninja'd?

If the sword is being ninja'd then the games loot mechanics might come into question, and whether or not it's a guild and there was a pre-existing agreement. Or if it was a disagreement in a PUG.

As a former wow player, I'm not sure how one would outright steal the loot.

Maybe in Everquest though?

WoW and most games in general do not apply here. Read their TOS, its not your property you are just allowed to play with it, thus it can never be stolen from you. Thats why they can ban you for selling gold.

ahhhhhh gotcha.

so the question is if you have access via a private key to a spot on the blockchain, is the balance on that spot considered property?

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Quote from: merockstar on October 13, 2014, 03:09:29 PM

Is the rare mmo sword being stolen or ninja'd?

If the sword is being ninja'd then the games loot mechanics might come into question, and whether or not it's a guild and there was a pre-existing agreement. Or if it was a disagreement in a PUG.

As a former wow player, I'm not sure how one would outright steal the loot.

Maybe in Everquest though?

WoW and most games in general do not apply here. Read their TOS, its not your property you are just allowed to play with it, thus it can never be stolen from you. Thats why they can ban you for selling gold.

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Is the rare mmo sword being stolen or ninja'd?

If the sword is being ninja'd then the games loot mechanics might come into question, and whether or not it's a guild and there was a pre-existing agreement. Or if it was a disagreement in a PUG.

As a former wow player, I'm not sure how one would outright steal the loot.

Maybe in Everquest though?

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Quote from: jbreher on October 13, 2014, 02:05:34 PM

Theft of any tangible property is illegal. Period.

Yes.

If the state does not recognize that Bitcoin is the property, then???
I'm pretty sure that if your Bitcoins are stolen in China, the Chinese authorities will not seek criminal. So it isn't illegal...

Or I invented an even better example:
Drugs are illegal almost everywhere. So if someone steal your drugs, it isn't illegal. Because it will be not punishable by law. Because no one go to the police with a statement: "My drugs are stolen" Cheesy

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Quote from: fsb4000 on October 13, 2014, 01:57:06 PM

No one will investigate the theft of Diablo 3 gold or WoW gold. In fact, even Blizzard support will not do anything, not to mention the police. So yes, in most countries(which did not recognize Bitcoin as currency or property), stealing bitcoins isn't illegal...

Theft of any tangible property is illegal. Period.

'Splain me why Trendon Shavers owes the feds several million dollars?

I've not read Blizzard's TOS. Never had a reason to. I rather imagine that they state that 'the user acknowledges that any 'theft' of in-game currency is not a theft of any property of the user'. Hell, the TOS may even state that all in-game assets are the property of Blizzard.

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Quote from: jbreher on October 13, 2014, 01:39:19 PM

Quote from: Snipe85 on October 12, 2014, 05:30:13 PM

Quote from: bithound on October 12, 2014, 07:04:17 AM

Stealing anything is illegal.. Cool

But is it punishable by law? Then its a big NO for you.

Illegal is unlawful. For something to be illegal it has to be specified in written law. Most countries don't have a policy on bitcoin, so stealing it isn't illegal.

Well, that statement just sucked 50 IQ points off everyone.

Most countries don't have a policy on tiddlywinks, either. However, stealing a kid's tiddlywinks is still theft. Punishable by law. As is stealing Bitcoins. Whether or not specifically addressed by proper name in the text of the law.

No one will investigate the theft of Diablo 3 gold or WoW gold. In fact, even Blizzard support will not do anything, not to mention the police. So yes, in most countries(which did not recognize Bitcoin as currency or property), stealing bitcoins isn't illegal...

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Quote from: Snipe85 on October 12, 2014, 05:30:13 PM

Quote from: bithound on October 12, 2014, 07:04:17 AM

Stealing anything is illegal.. Cool

But is it punishable by law? Then its a big NO for you.

Illegal is unlawful. For something to be illegal it has to be specified in written law. Most countries don't have a policy on bitcoin, so stealing it isn't illegal.

Well, that statement just sucked 50 IQ points off everyone.

Most countries don't have a policy on tiddlywinks, either. However, stealing a kid's tiddlywinks is still theft. Punishable by law. As is stealing Bitcoins. Whether or not specifically addressed by proper name in the text of the law.

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I think your question is " Can the fact that I stole bitcoins be proven?"

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 12, 2014, 11:23:42 PM

This is one of the major factors which is driving away the average person from using Bitcoins. If Bitcoins can be stolen from places like Mt Gox and Sheep Marketplace, then they can be stolen from just anyone else, despite whatever precautions they take.

If Bitcoins can be stolen from places like Mt Gox and Sheep Marketplace that didn't take all possible precautions ... that somehow means that no matter what precautions you take you can't keep them secure?

I'm not following that.

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This is one of the major factors which is driving away the average person from using Bitcoins. If Bitcoins can be stolen from places like Mt Gox and Sheep Marketplace, then they can be stolen from just anyone else, despite whatever precautions they take.

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Quote from: mnmShadyBTC on October 12, 2014, 05:22:50 PM

Quote from: BBmmBB on October 12, 2014, 12:11:32 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 12, 2014, 11:04:03 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 12, 2014, 10:41:21 AM

Stealing anything is illegal, even bitcoins, if: 1) there is a law; 2) if someone makes a valid claim against someone who stole the bitcoins.

Stealing anything is wrong. Maybe it is not illegal. But it is wrong. The things that make it illegal are as listed in the first paragraph above, and repeated here:
1. If there is a law against it;
2. If someone makes a valid claim that someone else has stolen his bitcoins, thereby depriving him of his property unlawfully.

what if you steal a thieves' bitcoins, like the people that stole from Silk Road

morality, legality on that?

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You really cannot use robin-hood economics to justify breaking the law. The court system does not accept this and although it may be an unpopular decision, you would be found guilty if caught

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Stealing in any circumstances is not legal. This risk of getting caught is not worth it.

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Yes it is. PS; You will also go to hell if u dont ask for forgiveness! Kiss

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Even in some places where btc is deemed as commodity not currency, it's still a crime to steal.

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sucker got hacked and screwed --Toad

No.

But the Bitcoin community will fuck you hard if you do.

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Stealing isn't always illegal, see cyprus bank haircut case.
Stealing bitcoins isn't always illegal, it's legal when it's based on a court order.
Stealing is just morally wrong because the term 'to steal' is used to describe 'bad manner'.

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If you don't get caught, you deserve everything you steal. Wink

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