Is stealing bitcoins illegal? - page 6.

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Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

For example, if I mislead someone into sending me a large amount of bitcoins (in the United States) would that be illegal?

If I did not force them to do anything, but they sent them anticipating me to send a product in return, but I never send it.

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

It depends.
It would have to go to court:
The court would have to get the evidence. You shouldn't do it, that's all.

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Quote from: bithound on October 12, 2014, 07:04:17 AM

Stealing anything is illegal.. Cool

But is it punishable by law? Then its a big NO for you.

Illegal is unlawful. For something to be illegal it has to be specified in written law. Most countries don't have a policy on bitcoin, so stealing it isn't illegal.

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Quote from: BBmmBB on October 12, 2014, 12:11:32 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 12, 2014, 11:04:03 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 12, 2014, 10:41:21 AM

Stealing anything is illegal, even bitcoins, if: 1) there is a law; 2) if someone makes a valid claim against someone who stole the bitcoins.

Stealing anything is wrong. Maybe it is not illegal. But it is wrong. The things that make it illegal are as listed in the first paragraph above, and repeated here:
1. If there is a law against it;
2. If someone makes a valid claim that someone else has stolen his bitcoins, thereby depriving him of his property unlawfully.

what if you steal a thieves' bitcoins, like the people that stole from Silk Road

morality, legality on that?

LET'S DO THIS! LOL Grin

>>> STORM THE CASTLE!!! WEEEEEE

You really cannot use robin-hood economics to justify breaking the law. The court system does not accept this and although it may be an unpopular decision, you would be found guilty if caught

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I think Beliathon believes 'property' is an invalid concept. I wonder if he or she will be contributing to this thread?

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Only if you get caught and reported i guess.

Just trade for them, using bitcointalk as a moral compass is a bit funny. If you do/dont based on law rather than knowing what is wrong/right then that is a bigger issue Cheesy

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Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 12, 2014, 11:04:03 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 12, 2014, 10:41:21 AM

Stealing anything is illegal, even bitcoins, if: 1) there is a law; 2) if someone makes a valid claim against someone who stole the bitcoins.

Stealing anything is wrong. Maybe it is not illegal. But it is wrong. The things that make it illegal are as listed in the first paragraph above, and repeated here:
1. If there is a law against it;
2. If someone makes a valid claim that someone else has stolen his bitcoins, thereby depriving him of his property unlawfully.

what if you steal a thieves' bitcoins, like the people that stole from Silk Road

morality, legality on that?

This would still be illegal. The reason or person that you steal from does not matter in the eyes of the law, although stealing certain high amounts or stealing from certain people can be treated more harshly.

The fact that bitcoin is fungible means that you cannot determine if the bitcoin that was stolen from SR is the "same" bitcoin that you stole from the thief

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Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 12, 2014, 11:04:03 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 12, 2014, 10:41:21 AM

Stealing anything is illegal, even bitcoins, if: 1) there is a law; 2) if someone makes a valid claim against someone who stole the bitcoins.

Stealing anything is wrong. Maybe it is not illegal. But it is wrong. The things that make it illegal are as listed in the first paragraph above, and repeated here:
1. If there is a law against it;
2. If someone makes a valid claim that someone else has stolen his bitcoins, thereby depriving him of his property unlawfully.

what if you steal a thieves' bitcoins, like the people that stole from Silk Road

morality, legality on that?

LET'S DO THIS! LOL Grin

>>> STORM THE CASTLE!!! WEEEEEE
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Quote from: BADecker on October 12, 2014, 10:41:21 AM

Stealing anything is illegal, even bitcoins, if: 1) there is a law; 2) if someone makes a valid claim against someone who stole the bitcoins.

Stealing anything is wrong. Maybe it is not illegal. But it is wrong. The things that make it illegal are as listed in the first paragraph above, and repeated here:
1. If there is a law against it;
2. If someone makes a valid claim that someone else has stolen his bitcoins, thereby depriving him of his property unlawfully.

what if you steal a thieves' bitcoins, like the people that stole from Silk Road

morality, legality on that?

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Stealing anything is illegal, even bitcoins, if: 1) there is a law; 2) if someone makes a valid claim against someone who stole the bitcoins.

Stealing anything is wrong. Maybe it is not illegal. But it is wrong. The things that make it illegal are as listed in the first paragraph above, and repeated here:
1. If there is a law against it;
2. If someone makes a valid claim that someone else has stolen his bitcoins, thereby depriving him of his property unlawfully.

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You'll have to ask BFL

rammy2k2

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BTC is money, so if u scam someone to send u money, of course its illegal.
how old are u 12 ?

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Quote from: shorena on October 11, 2014, 10:29:14 AM

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Alright, since the general consensus is that stealing bitcoins is illegal.
If I discontinue the use of communication with said person (from a way that can be linked back to my IP address) and continue the conversation on an anonymized, encrypted email, with TOR, a VPN, and tails, and then execute said plan, law enforcement would have no way to prove that it was me who committed the crime and I would not be held accountable due to lack of evidence that it was me, correct?

And that kids, is why we use ESCROW when dealing with complete strangers.

But, would that statement that I posted be true?

Are you a troll?

FBI caught Silk Road and many others, who were using these techniques, so there is always some risk of getting caught.

In fact using all that results in a truckload of extra charges in addition to fraud, and those caught will go to jail until all Bitcoins have been mined, LOL

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Quote from: Zer0Sum on October 11, 2014, 01:59:21 PM

If anyone says:

"I have enough money" or "I'm doing it for the community/love/tech"... they are lying.

I respectfully disagree on this one. That's almost what I say all the time, and you can look up my post history. But maybe I'm the exception.

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Quote from: BBmmBB on October 11, 2014, 11:45:59 PM

Quote from: bornil267645 on October 11, 2014, 11:29:56 PM

No matter which way you try to smother it, A crime is still a crime. So beware of the crime. Roll Eyes

I THOUGHT THATS WHY THERE WAS BITCOIN SO PEOPLE KAINT GET CAUGHT DOING SHADELESS STUFF? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

For example, if I mislead someone into sending me a large amount of bitcoins (in the United States) would that be illegal?

If I did not force them to do anything, but they sent them anticipating me to send a product in return, but I never send it.

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

Stealing anything is illegal. I dont understand how you can doubt this.

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Stealing anything is illegal.. Cool

But is it punishable by law? Then its a big NO for you.

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Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

A crime is a crime, be there evidence or not.

So the answer is yes.

"Is stealing ______ illegal?"

Seriously?

lol

I guess stealing anything that someone considers to have value is illegal. I'm pretty sure if you were stealing dog turds from someone's yard it wouldn't really be stealing as no one likely would see any value in dog shit.

'murica

Yes stealing property (bitcoin included) is illegal. Yes getting someone to give you property under false pretenses is illegal. It does not matter what the property that is being stolen is, as long as it has value it would be considered to be stealing

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Quote from: IsaacDestruction on October 11, 2014, 09:41:30 AM

For example, if I mislead someone into sending me a large amount of bitcoins (in the United States) would that be illegal?

If I did not force them to do anything, but they sent them anticipating me to send a product in return, but I never send it.

Would this be considered illegal considering no one would know whether the bitcoin address that received the bitcoins was my address?

This is the dumbest question I have ever heard. Cant be serious. Same as, Is it ok for me to Kill someone if nobody ever finds out that I did it? wow.

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