Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 13. (Read 75995 times)

My ideal method for raising funds has always been a "membership" type of up front payment that is voluntary. You pay up front a certain amount which allows you to buy a bronze, silver, gold, platinum, etc. package. Bronze might get you just the basic necessities that a government provides such as military protection but not a whole lot. The country may even decide to subsidize the bronze members through the fees for the more expensive packages. The more expensive package might include things like health care, education (all through college), etc.  These packages could even be private offerings to lump together a large amount of private services. And there could be competing industries (or blockchains) trying to get the most customers. So people are competing to give you the best government possible.

As for roads. Consider that I once mentioned ending taxes online and someone from Britain could not fathom how people would be able to pay for their dental work without taxes. I used to live in a city with private fire department and private ambulance services. Most places I have lived in the garbage company was private. These actually exist yet people cannot comprehend how they can be done without the government. If you are too mentally lazy to consider things that already exist being private then you likely cannot imagine the roads being private. What I suspect would happen would be similar to how our cell phones work. Right now there are towers owned by various companies that rent out their frequencies to cell phone companies who then sell plans to consumers. When you pick up your phone and use data, you don't care that your data is going over some third party that is a contract with another company that is paying the company of the cell tower which then transfers data to another cell tower owned by another company, and on and on, changing hands through many many different private companies. In your mind, if you had to plan it all you would just have one entity "the government" run it all and it's all simple with no need to use your brain.

Personally, I look forward to smart roads that charge your electric car as you drive while your car drives you at the optimal speed with no more car crashes all paid per meter on the lightning network. But none of that is possible if governments still hold a monopoly on the roads.

Well, being a theft explains in many reasons: bribery, graft and corruption or etc... The only thing that some country cannot build their own good reputation but thinking of themselves [the government officials]. Why do some other country surpasses this existence without income taxations? And why do other countries needed these 12& VAT, eVAT or whatever taxes they intended to pay? I guess each and everyone must be discipline and by that discipline that all started within ourselves will make a better community, peaceful beings, without any allegations to the law, all are in proper and in order, thus, attaining which is required and everybody deserves a good life. Above all, it is the government itself that dictates us and decides for their own safeness.

Job taxation is definately a theft.

If taxation is done as intended, it definitely is not theft. However, it's only human to want to use taxpayers' money for personal financial gain and, probably, very few people can resist it

I suspect that with the large amount of 2nd world citizens on this forum, most have been convinced by their governments that the state knows best.

That is also why those countries are 2nd and 3rd world countries.

No taxation is not theft. I am sure you benefit from your taxes going towards your country (do you drive? roads. do you walk? sidewalks. city transit? etc.). However, if you don't like being taxed then you have full liberty to move to Panama, Monaco, etc to not be taxed on your income.

The state is obligated to serve the people. The people have no obligations to the state.




Taxes only work if society accepts the morality that the government can use force to extract money from people.

For millenia people have found this to be morally acceptable and have not questioned it.

They also felt that slavery was perfectly moral because slaves were not humans.

We overcame that morally accepted practice. We can overcome taxation as it is currently enforced.

Taxes, themselves, are not theft or robbery. Why not? Because government gets folks to admit that they should pay.

The government crime is that government uses trickery and brainwashing to get people to seem to admit that they should pay taxes, when all along, nobody owes any taxes if they don't admit to owing them.

Tax thieves are people who have no responsibility to pay their obligations to the state.

That's some commie bullshit right there.

Your money is your money. Not something to be distributed "within the society fairly and just".

If you don't own your own body or the product of your labor, then you are accepting that the government owns you.

Taxation is simply can not be directly related to theft. We cannot absolutely say that taxation is theft nor theft is taxation. The nature of taxation in the first place is to utilize and ditribute the money within the society fairly and just. It aims for the common good and tge development of the community as a whole. Without this, a cohesive advancement will not be achieved. Thus, fragmented progress will prevail. And it is not good within the country. However, despite of the taxation's beneficial intention, it also open the doors for the thieves to steal. It makes anyone who are facilitating the funds vulnerable of commiting a theft. But at the end of the day, though taxatiin may be a platform for theft, still, the good decision to make is our choice.

Same thing with railways. Most of railroads in the US we private which let the industry and infrastructure grow with amazing speed. The natural monopolies don't really exist.

If the government did not have a monopoly on the roads...just imagine how much better they would be today.


There was a government monopoly on telephones for 50 years from 1934 to 1984. Think of the advances in telephones during that time, and think of the advances after.

We should be driving on smart roads right now. Or not on roads. Government fucked up roads.

Let me put things into a simple POV: Do you enjoy driving on the road? If you are in America you are likely to say no because the roads are quite bad, but if you are European you wouldn't be negative about the roads. (this is at least in most instances)

If it wasn't because of Tax, you would enjoy driving much much MUCH less, because you would be driving in the middle of nowhere, on a dirt road. Don't forget the government pays for the infrastructure that we all use every day. Now... Do we pay more than needed? That is a whole complete other question. But to answer your question, I think it is not theft.

No. Taxes are most definitely not theft. What about the roads?! lol!


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i understand that there has to be some taxes to pay for things like roads etc.... but the reason i believe taxing is theft is because i have no say about what that money goes toward. it is taken and handed out in ways i don't agree with.
for example i don't agree with money being taken out of my paycheck and handed to some lazy woman that decided to have 5 kids she cant afford to care for. that's not my fault, i don't want my tax dollars paying for that. the fact is, i pay out a lot of taxes, but definitely get much much less in return.

If any of your tax money goes for something that you don't know about,
or if it goes for something you don't want,
or if you are forced,
it's stealing.

If you agree with taxation, you are not being taxed. It is simply a blind donation, since you don't really know what it is being used for.

But, if you agree with taxation, you agree that people who don't agree with taxation, should have their money stolen from them. You are part of the robbery group.

It depends on how much you are taxed and the services they use this money for.


If it's 30% ,it's okay, more is thievery

You could buy everything cheaper than being taxed for it.

"But I couldn't afford the section of street out front of my house!"

Government can't afford it either. They borrow from the Federal Reserve Bank. What they borrow turns into the national debt, a Ponzi scheme that is going to crash the whole country when the fiat bubbles collapse.

Taxation only draws the Ponzi out longer, which will only make the crash worse. The great depression was like a picnic on the beach compared to what we're going to see in this Ponzi crash.

And it's all because of taxation, which is the measure of how much money Government can borrow from the FED. If there weren't any taxes, Gov couldn't borrow from the FED. The Ponzi would have crashed decades ago, and we would be back on the Treasury Note system rather than the Federal Reserve Note Ponzi system.

Of course not. Taxes are used by the government to make progress in a country- making roads, paying government employees, feeding poor people, implementing helpful programs and such. The problem is just that, after effects of taxes are not often felt making the taxpayer utter "Were our taxpaying  really worth it?".