Topic: Is taxation theft? - page 16. (Read 75978 times)

No, because it’s in the law. The taxes you paid is for the government to use for the projects that the people of the country will benefit. They will use it for the rehabilitation of roads, constructions of different way of transportation, health benefits, school benefits for children who want to study that don’t have mean to. It’s all for good of the country. You may feel that taxation is theft when the government is doing nothing and keep it in their own pocket. (Corruption) that’s when you feel the taxation is a theft.

Undeniably a theft!

instead of taxation, there should be funding --- stricly voluntarily backed by decentralized voting system:

You re a car owner and you want good roads -- fund the transportation division
You want health care - fund medical division
You love space - fund space exploration division
You are crazy enough to enjoy envaiding other countries for oil - fund army


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I know right!? The end justifies the means.


Please go and explain to all of these losers in this thread that it's not really rape if the woman has an orgasm afterwards.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-forcing-a-woman-to-have-sex-considered-rape-if-the-woman-has-an-orgasm-3114570

They're under the misguided illusion that for some reason a non-consensual act is a bad thing....but like you said...just think of the outcome first to determine if the act is bad.

Another way to look at rape is like when you have consensual sex. Nobody would say it's rape if they had consensual sex, but for some reason people seem to think differently when it is non consensual.

So wise!

Taxation is not theft, I know many people here would love a world without government but the reality is despite some of the things you dislike about government, it allows society to function. Another way to look at taxation is to consider it as a rent for living in the society you live in, no one would say its theft to pay rent on a car/house but for some reason people seem to think differently when its the government doing it.

For those that believe taxation is not theft...

Please answer this thread asking if forcing a woman to have sex is rape if the woman has an orgasm:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-forcing-a-woman-to-have-sex-considered-rape-if-the-woman-has-an-orgasm-3114570

I am sure you will be consistent.

Taxation is theft but it's actually necessary for government to exist. Bitcoin is making governments weak but i am not sure they have no other ways to got income.

I agree with this statement and neither. 
I say tax is not theft, because the state infrastructure is made using taxes, it is clear here the function of taxes work.
I say tax is theft, if there is a case of corruption in my country. more precisely this is the theft of citizens' rights

Specifically, a legal theft. Lol. And ironically, it is illegal to avoid taxes, just in case you dont know. 

taxation becomes theft when the taxes are too high, it feels like a real theft, when the government suffers from corruption and illegal preferences.......governemt and states must act careful with the use of taxes....

The other side of this is, if you turn your profession and everything into property, and simply trade property to property for whatever money you get, it can be made to take the taxing authority out of it. It's when you base your trades on money that the taxing authority can get a handle on the situation.

There is actually a way whereby you can seem to be trading property, and get the same results as trading property, and yet never trade anything. Rich, shrewd property - property is anything - managers use it all the time. You have even heard of it. It's your imagination of how to use it that is lacking... just like the most of the rest of Americans.

If there isn't any buying or selling, there isn't anything to tax. There is a way to do this, and live easier than you do with buying and selling. Think about it, and it might come to you.

Tax always reminds me that I don't really own a thing in these world. I can't even call my profession a property or my own because of that tax. Tax it's not just theft, it's a unfairness of mankind.

Public schools turn children into government's loving sheep. They are the best tool a dictator has at his disposal to turn people into slavery.

If you don't think taxation is theft, then it is not theft for you.

Imagine that you hear a knock at the door in the middle of the night. You open the door, and there stands a burglar with a mask on. He asks you if he can have a bunch of your valuables. You say, "Yes. Come on in." Is he really a burglar when you invite him in?

Just because you think that Government gives you a bunch of benefits in return for your tax money, how do you know? If you go to the store to buy some products, when you check out at the cash register, you pay for your purchases, and YOU GET A RECEIPT with an itemized list of products you purchased, and how much you paid for them. Do you ever get such a receipt from the taxing authority?

How much of your tax dollar went for the military? How much went for each aspect of infrastructure? How much went to Government officials so they could play? How much went pay for pedophile prostitution and murder for Government officials? How much went to pay for the lying financial analysts who prepared the false lists and pie graphs that show where your money went?

If you knowingly and voluntarily pay taxes, then you also knowingly and voluntarily pay for corruption - bribery, murder, pedophile prostitution, and anything else that is corrupt in the world.

I don't want to take part in paying for the corruption. And to start, I would rather knowingly buy what I want, including buying Government services if I want them.

For me taxation is robbery, and at times theft.

Taxation is not a theft, people in the society are the beneficiaries of  tax especially our children's studying in public schools, free tuition in colleges etc.

no it is not, if and only if it will be used properly, if taxes were used properly everything in thecountry will be great, there will be no mendicants roaming around and the facilities and infrastructure as well as the public service will be of high level.

How do you know? Or do you work for Government and know just the opposite?


Do we need them?


Roads are paid by gasoline tax and licenses. Maybe I don't want the infrastructure.


If scholars are worth their weight, they can get a job at a school, or as engineers in companies.



Why tax at all? Here's what I mean.

If you go to the amusement park, often they have rides, like the Ferris wheel, or the roller coaster, or the octopus, and many more.

Some amusement parks charge you an entry fee. After you pay for your ticket, you can go on any of the rides as many times as you want. But you are also subsidizing the rides that you would never go on. This is like taxes.

Other amusement parks don't have an entry fee. You pay for whichever rides you go on. You don't pay for the ones you don't go on. This is like freedom, the kind of thing Bitcoin is trying to promote in money usage.

I don't want to subsidize all the things that Government wants. I want to pay for the things from government that I want. And if Government charges too much, let me pay for what I want from an outside contractor.

Get rid of taxes. Buy what you want and need. Let Government sell you on more money for the military, or each and every "piece" of infrastructure they want to build for you. Why should I pay for a library that I never use?  

Then, if you paid for it, you get to use it. Show them your "ticket" at the door so that they let you in.

Look at "Adventures in Legal Land" ... The No-State Project at http://marcstevens.net/.

I dont think having a tax is a theft because all of our tax will go for projects of our nation.Without tax who will pay the government employees, the road or any imprastractures, the scholars and many more?so we really need to pay tax its for everyones benefits but if the tax will be going to a corrupt government thats another story.

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In the USA, taxation is theft at the same time it is not theft.

Taxation is NOT theft because, when you look at the paperwork that you sign, or the way you handle yourself in court, it looks like you absolutely did agree to the voluntary compliance taxation. So, in the eyes of Government, the IRS, and all legal agencies, it looks like you volunteered for taxes.

Taxation IS theft because, when you signed all the paperwork you signed, you didn't know that there was any other way to do it, and you didn't understand the agreement you were voluntarily making. In other words, you didn't understand that it was a voluntary agreement, and you didn't understand how to show Government and the IRS that you didn't want to volunteer.

So, it technically looks like you volunteered, but you did it out of ignorance.

Standard contract law says that before there is any agreement, there has to be a meeting of the minds. In other words, there has to be full disclosure and understanding. If there isn't this understanding before the agreement, then, when the full disclosure and understanding comes about, the agreement can be nullified. The courts have to return whatever of the property back to the appropriate parties.

One of the tricks that Government uses is the statute of limitations laws. They try to trick you into thinking that, if you figure it out after 3 years is up, that you can't force them to pay it back. This is wrong. There is no statute of limitation on fraud, and there is no statute of limitation on someone administering your property (your labor, via the money they have gotten from you in tax form). If it is your property, if they have gained it through some kind of non-disclosure, it is still your property.

Take a look at the two volumes of the IRS code. Take a look at the many volumes of Federal Regulations that pertain to the IRS Code. If you read the whole thing - thousands of pages - would you be able to understand it? Of course not. IRS attorneys don't understand all of it. What does this mean? It means it is non-disclosure built in. Taxes are fraud because non-disclosure is built in.

When you sign a tax form that says that "to the best of your knowledge" you understand that this tax info is correct, you are lying. Why are you lying? Because you really know down deep that you don't know that the info is correct.

So, it is very difficult for you to come back after them to get your money back. Why? you perjured yourself. You didn't perjure yourself by stating that the numbers were correct to the best of your knowledge. Rather, you perjured yourself in stating that you understood what you were doing when you signed "to the best of your knowledge"... but you really didn't understand, and you knew it.

Work yourself out of the fraud before you file any tax form. NOTICE the IRS, if necessary, that you have no agreement with them. Use a Form W4 for this, with your employer, so that he has no reason to withhold. If you file a tax return, file it "n-a" (non-assumpsit = no contract) on every line, and sign it the same way.

Study what Karl Lentz has to say about this. Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law" or visit https://www.youtube.com/user/765736 for all kinds of snippets of Karl's talks, many of which pertain to taxes.

sometimes taxation feels like theft, the hard work one has to put in just to earn. then a huge chunk of it goes to taxation is always unfair. especially when the work of the taxed money isn't seen.