Is this considered cheating? or Ilegal?

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Quote from: peter0425 on October 01, 2020, 11:53:12 AM

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

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It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

That's right, it's totally illegal to do it. And this is why it's important to do gambling on sites with a gambling license, at least that way we know the casino follows the rules and they are provably fair.

how can those scam casinos start if they dont present them selves as legal ? but being legal also means it is allowed or not banned and not mean that it was scam . there are illegal gambling but are not scam because gamblers can still earn a profit with them . they called illegal because they dont consult to the government before they start their own business . its risky playing on illegal casinos because if its been shut down you can loose your funds and wont get refunded or you can also get in jail

For shorter solution,everytime that we encountered scam or bogus casinos better report right away and broadcast here in forum so experts can take a look if they are truly legit or scam.
There is nothing wrong for being Vigilant because this risk players money and also the reputation of Online gambling.

Absolutely a thing to do and to stop them from hunting innocent individuals. But before that, we should also have to show some proof that this site as fake and illegally operated otherwise, you're complaint will just be wasted. Reviews can be fake, scammers will hide their intentions just to looked reliable and can be trusted but somehow, and at the end of the day, they will show who really they are and carrying the money away from gamblers.

actually we don't need to show proofs that early because we will only need to ask the experts here about what they can find about the sites.

there are many reputable people here that can check and prove about the legitimacy or the coming scam of each project.
and eventually many answers will come for clarification and assurance if they are scammers or now.

Actually, it needs to, but the thing is that the OP's complaint might not be valid. Let's say he uses the thing that the website is using for randomization, but that doesn't mean that it is being used by the website. The same result will also appear to the OP. There is a lot of coding or complexity in the website and its games, so don't expect a mere customer to get the same result just to say that the website is illegal and cheating. And yes, if they want to, weto get the same result just to say that the website is illegal and cheating. And yes, if they want to, weto get the same result just to say that the website is illegal and cheating. And yes, if they want to, we can ask for the opinions of experts in the IT field in order to validate the claims of the OP, but of course, without a reference, an expert couldn't investigate, and for sure, a website will not allow anyone outside to investigate their system. Because their system might be compromised, and that is for their confidentiality and safety.

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Quote from: svelandiag on June 17, 2020, 03:38:31 PM

Hello, This happened to me today, on a provably fair Dice Bitcoin gambling site I lost some money, then I checked my bets using an online verifier, in their website they say they use SHA512 algorithm to hash server seed, however, when they revealed the unhashed server seed I checked it using a SHA512 calculator... It should match the hashed server seed they provided to me, however, it does not match.

So the hashed SHA512 of the server seed is different from the hashed server seed they gave to me when I started my session. Isn't that considered cheating? I mean they probably are calculating right the dice value, however, the only fact of having wrong information on their provably fair statement should be enough for a legal complaint, shouldn't it?

Please someone tell me if it is enough to put some lawyers to work, or if it would be just a waste of time. Thanks!

It's also worth noting that, in addition to any legal remedies, you might file an issue with the gambling site's customer service unit. This may not result in compensation, but it may be a means to express your concerns and maybe draw attention to any weaknesses in the system. It's likely that the disparity was a mistake, rather than a deliberate attempt to confuse or scam you. But it's critical to at least raise the matter and attempt to get some answers. If you can gather further proof and documents, you should speak with a lawyer who concentrates in gaming or online laws.

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Quote from: Viscore on September 23, 2020, 10:31:54 AM

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

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It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

That's right, it's totally illegal to do it. And this is why it's important to do gambling on sites with a gambling license, at least that way we know the casino follows the rules and they are provably fair.

how can those scam casinos start if they dont present them selves as legal ? but being legal also means it is allowed or not banned and not mean that it was scam . there are illegal gambling but are not scam because gamblers can still earn a profit with them . they called illegal because they dont consult to the government before they start their own business . its risky playing on illegal casinos because if its been shut down you can loose your funds and wont get refunded or you can also get in jail

For shorter solution,everytime that we encountered scam or bogus casinos better report right away and broadcast here in forum so experts can take a look if they are truly legit or scam.
There is nothing wrong for being Vigilant because this risk players money and also the reputation of Online gambling.

Absolutely a thing to do and to stop them from hunting innocent individuals. But before that, we should also have to show some proof that this site as fake and illegally operated otherwise, you're complaint will just be wasted. Reviews can be fake, scammers will hide their intentions just to looked reliable and can be trusted but somehow, and at the end of the day, they will show who really they are and carrying the money away from gamblers.

actually we don't need to show proofs that early because we will only need to ask the experts here about what they can find about the sites.

there are many reputable people here that can check and prove about the legitimacy or the coming scam of each project.
and eventually many answers will come for clarification and assurance if they are scammers or now.

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Quote from: TedMosby on September 24, 2020, 02:06:20 PM

it is 2 different algorithms,
I don't know well about these algorithms, but if the outcomes affected differently by these algorithms and you felt harmed,
IMO, you can sue the casino or take legal action.

The first thing to do in that case is not suing them directly. Maybe, there are technical problem happened during the bet.

Tell the customer support for what happened. If verified as true, OP might get a reward too for reporting that case.

Suing crypto casinos sometimes don't work as for the obvious reason, cybercrimes units might not truly aware of how they work. And worst, complainants might spend lots of money on their legal fight without an assurance that they will get justice for what happened.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 22, 2020, 12:06:10 PM

We can blame the scammers to bring us to that place, but the real mistake is because we follow what their said without searching for the other news. If they can read the reviews from other websites, I think they will know how to prevent the scammers. But that will depend on how we can act because not many people will be able to track the scammers or report the scammers to the officials.

The construction of this sentence is really poor and vague, but has a point. Scammers will always be scammers no matter what we do or cry upon to, so the best way to defeat those sht is to stay vigilant about the way the people around you convince you to do things that you won't normally do. Do your own researches, read articles, and don't be shy to ask questions about them. By doing so, the scammer will be see that you are aware on how gambling works and then they'll refrain from scamming you at this point.

I am sorry if I am making you confused, but I guess you got my point. What you say is right. The scammers will be around you and will try to steal your money without you realize. They will use a smooth way to do that way, and they will pretend to give exciting offers to you so that you will follow their instructions. There is no other way for you to be careful when you read their offers, and make sure you know how to prevent them.

If you can find out about it then you can try to remain confident and don't get influenced by any news so you can secure your own assets and more importantly maybe you can find more information about the project or buy that coin.

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Quote from: TedMosby on September 24, 2020, 02:06:20 PM

Quote from: Saint-loup on September 23, 2020, 06:39:53 PM

Svelandiag was talking about primedice, their provably fair statement was inaccurate and misleading since they claimed to use SHA512 hashing while it was SHA256 in reality. So users unaware of the so called "typo" were unable to check if the server seed was ok or not.

it is 2 different algorithms,
I don't know well about these algorithms, but if the outcomes affected differently by these algorithms and you felt harmed,
IMO, you can sue the casino or take legal action.

I'm not the author of the thread, it's Svelandiag but he didn't come back.
I don't really know if he can sue them because it doesn't concern the main algorithm, it's just the hash of the server seed. It prevented from checking if the server seed used for the game round was the same as the server seed shown before the start of the game(hashed).

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Quote from: Saint-loup on September 23, 2020, 06:39:53 PM

Svelandiag was talking about primedice, their provably fair statement was inaccurate and misleading since they claimed to use SHA512 hashing while it was SHA256 in reality. So users unaware of the so called "typo" were unable to check if the server seed was ok or not.

it is 2 different algorithms,
I don't know well about these algorithms, but if the outcomes affected differently by these algorithms and you felt harmed,
IMO, you can sue the casino or take legal action.

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Quote from: TedMosby on September 23, 2020, 01:29:57 PM

could you please let us know the website?
have you tried to check that casino site with a tool called "Provably Fair Verifier" by BTCGosu?

Quote from: https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

Our tool verifies that the respective casino doesn’t cheat by manipulating bet results. This doesn’t automatically mean a casino can’t scam by not processing withdrawals, blocking accounts etc. Make sure you check out our reviews to find reputable casinos.

this is the link:
https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

Svelandiag was talking about primedice, their provably fair statement was inaccurate and misleading since they claimed to use SHA512 hashing while it was SHA256 in reality. So users unaware of the so called "typo" were unable to check if the server seed was ok or not.

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could you please let us know the website?
have you tried to check that casino site with a tool called "Provably Fair Verifier" by BTCGosu?

Quote from: https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

Our tool verifies that the respective casino doesn’t cheat by manipulating bet results. This doesn’t automatically mean a casino can’t scam by not processing withdrawals, blocking accounts etc. Make sure you check out our reviews to find reputable casinos.

this is the link:
https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 23, 2020, 04:02:53 AM

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 23, 2020, 12:22:30 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

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It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

That's right, it's totally illegal to do it. And this is why it's important to do gambling on sites with a gambling license, at least that way we know the casino follows the rules and they are provably fair.

how can those scam casinos start if they dont present them selves as legal ? but being legal also means it is allowed or not banned and not mean that it was scam . there are illegal gambling but are not scam because gamblers can still earn a profit with them . they called illegal because they dont consult to the government before they start their own business . its risky playing on illegal casinos because if its been shut down you can loose your funds and wont get refunded or you can also get in jail

For shorter solution,everytime that we encountered scam or bogus casinos better report right away and broadcast here in forum so experts can take a look if they are truly legit or scam.
There is nothing wrong for being Vigilant because this risk players money and also the reputation of Online gambling.

Absolutely a thing to do and to stop them from hunting innocent individuals. But before that, we should also have to show some proof that this site as fake and illegally operated otherwise, you're complaint will just be wasted. Reviews can be fake, scammers will hide their intentions just to looked reliable and can be trusted but somehow, and at the end of the day, they will show who really they are and carrying the money away from gamblers.

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Quote from: Natsuu on September 23, 2020, 01:26:13 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 22, 2020, 12:06:10 PM

We can blame the scammers to bring us to that place, but the real mistake is because we follow what their said without searching for the other news. If they can read the reviews from other websites, I think they will know how to prevent the scammers. But that will depend on how we can act because not many people will be able to track the scammers or report the scammers to the officials.

The construction of this sentence is really poor and vague, but has a point. Scammers will always be scammers no matter what we do or cry upon to, so the best way to defeat those sht is to stay vigilant about the way the people around you convince you to do things that you won't normally do. Do your own researches, read articles, and don't be shy to ask questions about them. By doing so, the scammer will be see that you are aware on how gambling works and then they'll refrain from scamming you at this point.

I am sorry if I am making you confused, but I guess you got my point. What you say is right. The scammers will be around you and will try to steal your money without you realize. They will use a smooth way to do that way, and they will pretend to give exciting offers to you so that you will follow their instructions. There is no other way for you to be careful when you read their offers, and make sure you know how to prevent them.

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Quote from: shoreno on September 23, 2020, 12:49:01 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on September 23, 2020, 12:22:30 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

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It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

That's right, it's totally illegal to do it. And this is why it's important to do gambling on sites with a gambling license, at least that way we know the casino follows the rules and they are provably fair.

how can those scam casinos start if they dont present them selves as legal ? but being legal also means it is allowed or not banned and not mean that it was scam . there are illegal gambling but are not scam because gamblers can still earn a profit with them . they called illegal because they dont consult to the government before they start their own business . its risky playing on illegal casinos because if its been shut down you can loose your funds and wont get refunded or you can also get in jail

For shorter solution,everytime that we encountered scam or bogus casinos better report right away and broadcast here in forum so experts can take a look if they are truly legit or scam.
There is nothing wrong for being Vigilant because this risk players money and also the reputation of Online gambling.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on September 22, 2020, 07:26:45 AM

Quote from: Debonaire217 on September 22, 2020, 05:24:09 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

If the case is decentralized online cryptocurrency casino, that has a huge difference if you will compare it to scam casinos. No one will actually use a casino knowing that it is already a scam. But most of the time, people fall for it. The reason is because they don't know that the casino is a scam. One example I have encountered is way back before is with the telegram community, an anonymous person sent a message to me saying that he is an employee of the gambling site but in reality, the site is really a scam since they are showing huge gains from their promises.

That it makes sense if we actually know the current feedbacks into certain casinos. Although with limited time to spend reading those reviews but it seems very important and we probably know the consequences that we might face later.
We get scammed because we allowed it, sounds ridiculous but that is the reality. It was our fault, not the scammers.

We can blame the scammers to bring us to that place, but the real mistake is because we follow what their said without searching for the other news. If they can read the reviews from other websites, I think they will know how to prevent the scammers. But that will depend on how we can act because not many people will be able to track the scammers or report the scammers to the officials.

The construction of this sentence is really poor and vague, but has a point. Scammers will always be scammers no matter what we do or cry upon to, so the best way to defeat those sht is to stay vigilant about the way the people around you convince you to do things that you won't normally do. Do your own researches, read articles, and don't be shy to ask questions about them. By doing so, the scammer will be see that you are aware on how gambling works and then they'll refrain from scamming you at this point.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 23, 2020, 12:22:30 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

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It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

That's right, it's totally illegal to do it. And this is why it's important to do gambling on sites with a gambling license, at least that way we know the casino follows the rules and they are provably fair.

how can those scam casinos start if they dont present them selves as legal ? but being legal also means it is allowed or not banned and not mean that it was scam . there are illegal gambling but are not scam because gamblers can still earn a profit with them . they called illegal because they dont consult to the government before they start their own business . its risky playing on illegal casinos because if its been shut down you can loose your funds and wont get refunded or you can also get in jail

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

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It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

That's right, it's totally illegal to do it. And this is why it's important to do gambling on sites with a gambling license, at least that way we know the casino follows the rules and they are provably fair.

One recommendation i always give is: If you don't understand how the provably fair works then avoid making bets until you understand it.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on September 22, 2020, 07:26:45 AM

Quote from: Debonaire217 on September 22, 2020, 05:24:09 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

If the case is decentralized online cryptocurrency casino, that has a huge difference if you will compare it to scam casinos. No one will actually use a casino knowing that it is already a scam. But most of the time, people fall for it. The reason is because they don't know that the casino is a scam. One example I have encountered is way back before is with the telegram community, an anonymous person sent a message to me saying that he is an employee of the gambling site but in reality, the site is really a scam since they are showing huge gains from their promises.

That it makes sense if we actually know the current feedbacks into certain casinos. Although with limited time to spend reading those reviews but it seems very important and we probably know the consequences that we might face later.
We get scammed because we allowed it, sounds ridiculous but that is the reality. It was our fault, not the scammers.

You don't actually need a lot of time to read the reviews, just go to the most reliable site so you'll get an accurate review, and I'm talking about our beloved bitcointalk.org forum, in the gambling section to be specific.

There are lots of review sites that we've known and some of them are just simply biased nor just a personal experience or not really that precise unlike if we do really compare on reviews specially into this forum
where you can really say that it is much better to read and worth to believe on rather than on just a single person or on the owner of some review sites.

Nothing beats out the gambling board of this forum alone because you can get real time feedbacks and recommendations yet people are really keen when it comes to fairness issues.

When a house do somewhat have some shady fairness problems then it can really be spotted out and with that you would able to read since people will surely post regarding on this manner and with that
you can make out decisions if you would play or not.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on September 22, 2020, 07:26:45 AM

Quote from: Debonaire217 on September 22, 2020, 05:24:09 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

If the case is decentralized online cryptocurrency casino, that has a huge difference if you will compare it to scam casinos. No one will actually use a casino knowing that it is already a scam. But most of the time, people fall for it. The reason is because they don't know that the casino is a scam. One example I have encountered is way back before is with the telegram community, an anonymous person sent a message to me saying that he is an employee of the gambling site but in reality, the site is really a scam since they are showing huge gains from their promises.

That it makes sense if we actually know the current feedbacks into certain casinos. Although with limited time to spend reading those reviews but it seems very important and we probably know the consequences that we might face later.
We get scammed because we allowed it, sounds ridiculous but that is the reality. It was our fault, not the scammers.

We can blame the scammers to bring us to that place, but the real mistake is because we follow what their said without searching for the other news. If they can read the reviews from other websites, I think they will know how to prevent the scammers. But that will depend on how we can act because not many people will be able to track the scammers or report the scammers to the officials.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on September 22, 2020, 07:26:45 AM

Quote from: Debonaire217 on September 22, 2020, 05:24:09 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

If the case is decentralized online cryptocurrency casino, that has a huge difference if you will compare it to scam casinos. No one will actually use a casino knowing that it is already a scam. But most of the time, people fall for it. The reason is because they don't know that the casino is a scam. One example I have encountered is way back before is with the telegram community, an anonymous person sent a message to me saying that he is an employee of the gambling site but in reality, the site is really a scam since they are showing huge gains from their promises.

That it makes sense if we actually know the current feedbacks into certain casinos. Although with limited time to spend reading those reviews but it seems very important and we probably know the consequences that we might face later.
We get scammed because we allowed it, sounds ridiculous but that is the reality. It was our fault, not the scammers.

You don't actually need a lot of time to read the reviews, just go to the most reliable site so you'll get an accurate review, and I'm talking about our beloved bitcointalk.org forum, in the gambling section to be specific.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on September 22, 2020, 05:24:09 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

If the case is decentralized online cryptocurrency casino, that has a huge difference if you will compare it to scam casinos. No one will actually use a casino knowing that it is already a scam. But most of the time, people fall for it. The reason is because they don't know that the casino is a scam. One example I have encountered is way back before is with the telegram community, an anonymous person sent a message to me saying that he is an employee of the gambling site but in reality, the site is really a scam since they are showing huge gains from their promises.

That it makes sense if we actually know the current feedbacks into certain casinos. Although with limited time to spend reading those reviews but it seems very important and we probably know the consequences that we might face later.
We get scammed because we allowed it, sounds ridiculous but that is the reality. It was our fault, not the scammers.

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 04, 2020, 09:05:23 AM

It's illegal to run a scam casino everywhere in the world and it's universal rule lmao. Even if casinos were legal in a country doesn't mean scam casinos are legal. So technically, a scam casino is illegal everywhere but a legit casino will be illegal or legal depending on the jurisdiction of the country.

If the case is decentralized online cryptocurrency casino, that has a huge difference if you will compare it to scam casinos. No one will actually use a casino knowing that it is already a scam. But most of the time, people fall for it. The reason is because they don't know that the casino is a scam. One example I have encountered is way back before is with the telegram community, an anonymous person sent a message to me saying that he is an employee of the gambling site but in reality, the site is really a scam since they are showing huge gains from their promises.

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