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May 11, 2015, 11:48:20 AM
So you came across a rehabilitation facility (as differentiated from a prison) in Austria- who has a much more progressive view of incarceration than the US to begin with, and for which no violent criminals would be housed in- and are representing all prison conditions to be like this. Is that the point you're making? Because that seems to be your point, that people who commit barbaric acts will wind up in a facility like this, so we better just brutalize them instead.

Most of the prisoners in Bastoy (Norway) were convicted of violent offenses, such as murder or rape. I don't think it is a nice idea to provide such people with 5-star facilities inside the prison. If I had the power, then I'll ship them either to the White Swan or to the Black Dolphin in Russia.

I suppose it depends what the intent of prison is. If it's to reform people and have them be functioning members of society when they're released, I think Bastoy is shows some promise. If it's to punish people in harsh conditions during and after imprisonment so they are likely to return to crime, the US prison system is exemplary.
Naw.  There are many levels and styles of prison in the US, ranging from minimal confinement to single cell lockup.  There are many, many facilities for druggies which are more like drug rehab facilities than prison.  Etc.  

It's probably the luck of the draw though than any top down philosophical decision.  You sure wouldn't want to be in the state penn in one of the very poor states like Mississippi.

Are you disputing that the majority of prisons do not make rehabilitation their primary function? The war on drugs has proven to be the death of rehabilitative prisons as they are overcrowded past their ability to function in a rehabilitative manner, even when they're specifically built to be so. Here's a nice and short synopsis of the changing role of the US prison system: http://www.adpsr.org/home/prison_history.  Perhaps if the war on drugs were eliminated, there would be less stress on the system and it could return to a more rehabilitative role, but that would require a seismic political shift in the national landscape, especially by the republican party. I'm hopeful, but not expectant.
I'm saying that I know of several large systems in Texas that are strictly for drug offenders, which are minimal security.  Boatloads of people go to those types of places.  Your article conveniently ignores this reality.  But Texas has money, it's pretty rich as states go.  The harshest, most horrible places will always be states short on funds and hence short on basic necessities for inmates.

Also, you might want to rethink the concept of the "war on drugs by Republicans" since most attorneys vote Democratic (at least historically, that may change with the flight away from Obama).  This means the main cash from the "Drug war", that of the courts, legal system and it's attorney inhabitants - are largely Democratic.....

I've never seen any marked improvement in drug law enforcement where the sheriffs or police chiefs were Democratic, for example, over Republican.  With the obvious exception of the Oakland/SF area, and maybe Oregon/Portland, before some drugs were legalized up there.  Try Louisiana for downright mean, harsh enforcement of drug law by Democrats.  The list could go on and on.  

In short, false dichotomy.   About as ridiculous as the "Republican war on women."

The republican party is the one that stands in the way of legalization. That's the whole basis of the "republican war on drugs." I'm talking legislatively. It doesn't matter what party to local officials are when the republicans block reform on the national or state level. Those local police still have to enforce the law.
No they do not.  Local sheriffs have virtually unlimited ability to do what they choose.

And I'm highly skeptical of your belief there or has been any thing resembling a "republican war on drugs."  Yes Nixon, a repub, created it.  But Clinton and Obama have been perfectly fine with it.  What you've seen is individual states stepping forward and voting weed legal. 

I can't say it really matters to me if those states are largely Demo or Repub.   For sure your four border states are not going to vote weed legal, because of the horrific power it'd give the Mexican cartels to move right into the USA.  But all power to DC, Colorado, etc...
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May 11, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
You know what?  I don't mind a prison where people don't suffer so much. 

If you can keep them separate from the population they'd otherwise prey on, and not fuck them up so badly that they can never rejoin civilization again, I'd say you're doing your job.

The problem with treating prisoners badly is that you make them harder and nastier and more out-of-step with your civilian society than they were to start with.  You fuck them up so badly that releasing them doesn't work all that well. 

I agree. When we hear about criminal acts we often want vengeance and blood. We want the bad guy to suffer. If only that made them repent. In fact it turns prison into finishing school for criminals. This is not a problem if the offender is a child killing axe murderer. But most crimes are not that bad and it may be better to try bringing petty criminals into the fold of society. Even though it is not as satisfying as torturing them in a cage.   
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May 11, 2015, 10:56:47 AM
You know what?  I don't mind a prison where people don't suffer so much. 

If you can keep them separate from the population they'd otherwise prey on, and not fuck them up so badly that they can never rejoin civilization again, I'd say you're doing your job.

The problem with treating prisoners badly is that you make them harder and nastier and more out-of-step with your civilian society than they were to start with.  You fuck them up so badly that releasing them doesn't work all that well. 

Best is a death sentence for those who commit rape and murder. They should be no mercy for such prisoners. When they aren't alive, they will never rejoin civilization. Prisoners are made to suffer as they have done wrong and committed a crime. Can't see people feeling bad for such criminals. They are not punished because they are good and deserve the worst treatment.

Those who rob and commit minor crimes can be spared and in that case, they shouldn't be treated badly in jail so that they come out and try to live their life in a better way.
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May 11, 2015, 10:02:43 AM
You know what?  I don't mind a prison where people don't suffer so much.  

If you can keep them separate from the population they'd otherwise prey on, and not fuck them up so badly that they can never rejoin civilization again, I'd say you're doing your job.

The problem with treating prisoners badly is that you make them harder and nastier and more out-of-step with your civilian society than they were to start with.  You fuck them up so badly that releasing them doesn't work all that well.  

I don't want the prisoners to suffer either. But the problem here is something different. Consider a Somali migrant who has just reached Norway and being granted asylum status. He has no educational qualifications, and there fore he can't find a meaningful job. Now this guy decides to rape a few local women. (According to latest stats, the vast majority of the rapes in Norway and Sweden are being committed by people with an immigrant background). As a punishment for his crime, he is sent to the Bastoy prison, where he is allowed to have 5-star facilities and other options such as video-gaming and sauna, which would have otherwise been unavailable to him. Now this guy will tell to his friends: "Hey, look at me... I am enjoying my stay here... you should come here too". Now this is what I call "encouraging crimes".

Why would I consider such a ridiculous scenario as people with no job prospects deciding to just be serial rapists? And if you're going to cite something as a fact, provide the basis for it. (Where are you getting the "latest stats" from?)
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May 11, 2015, 09:57:49 AM
So you came across a rehabilitation facility (as differentiated from a prison) in Austria- who has a much more progressive view of incarceration than the US to begin with, and for which no violent criminals would be housed in- and are representing all prison conditions to be like this. Is that the point you're making? Because that seems to be your point, that people who commit barbaric acts will wind up in a facility like this, so we better just brutalize them instead.

Most of the prisoners in Bastoy (Norway) were convicted of violent offenses, such as murder or rape. I don't think it is a nice idea to provide such people with 5-star facilities inside the prison. If I had the power, then I'll ship them either to the White Swan or to the Black Dolphin in Russia.

I suppose it depends what the intent of prison is. If it's to reform people and have them be functioning members of society when they're released, I think Bastoy is shows some promise. If it's to punish people in harsh conditions during and after imprisonment so they are likely to return to crime, the US prison system is exemplary.
Naw.  There are many levels and styles of prison in the US, ranging from minimal confinement to single cell lockup.  There are many, many facilities for druggies which are more like drug rehab facilities than prison.  Etc.  

It's probably the luck of the draw though than any top down philosophical decision.  You sure wouldn't want to be in the state penn in one of the very poor states like Mississippi.

Are you disputing that the majority of prisons do not make rehabilitation their primary function? The war on drugs has proven to be the death of rehabilitative prisons as they are overcrowded past their ability to function in a rehabilitative manner, even when they're specifically built to be so. Here's a nice and short synopsis of the changing role of the US prison system: http://www.adpsr.org/home/prison_history.  Perhaps if the war on drugs were eliminated, there would be less stress on the system and it could return to a more rehabilitative role, but that would require a seismic political shift in the national landscape, especially by the republican party. I'm hopeful, but not expectant.
I'm saying that I know of several large systems in Texas that are strictly for drug offenders, which are minimal security.  Boatloads of people go to those types of places.  Your article conveniently ignores this reality.  But Texas has money, it's pretty rich as states go.  The harshest, most horrible places will always be states short on funds and hence short on basic necessities for inmates.

Also, you might want to rethink the concept of the "war on drugs by Republicans" since most attorneys vote Democratic (at least historically, that may change with the flight away from Obama).  This means the main cash from the "Drug war", that of the courts, legal system and it's attorney inhabitants - are largely Democratic.....

I've never seen any marked improvement in drug law enforcement where the sheriffs or police chiefs were Democratic, for example, over Republican.  With the obvious exception of the Oakland/SF area, and maybe Oregon/Portland, before some drugs were legalized up there.  Try Louisiana for downright mean, harsh enforcement of drug law by Democrats.  The list could go on and on.  

In short, false dichotomy.   About as ridiculous as the "Republican war on women."

The republican party is the one that stands in the way of legalization. That's the whole basis of the "republican war on drugs." I'm talking legislatively. It doesn't matter what party to local officials are when the republicans block reform on the national or state level. Those local police still have to enforce the law.
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April 26, 2015, 08:27:42 AM
You know what?  I don't mind a prison where people don't suffer so much. 

If you can keep them separate from the population they'd otherwise prey on, and not fuck them up so badly that they can never rejoin civilization again, I'd say you're doing your job.

The problem with treating prisoners badly is that you make them harder and nastier and more out-of-step with your civilian society than they were to start with.  You fuck them up so badly that releasing them doesn't work all that well. 

I don't want the prisoners to suffer either. But the problem here is something different. Consider a Somali migrant who has just reached Norway and being granted asylum status. He has no educational qualifications, and there fore he can't find a meaningful job. Now this guy decides to rape a few local women. (According to latest stats, the vast majority of the rapes in Norway and Sweden are being committed by people with an immigrant background). As a punishment for his crime, he is sent to the Bastoy prison, where he is allowed to have 5-star facilities and other options such as video-gaming and sauna, which would have otherwise been unavailable to him. Now this guy will tell to his friends: "Hey, look at me... I am enjoying my stay here... you should come here too". Now this is what I call "encouraging crimes".
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April 25, 2015, 07:56:55 PM
So you came across a rehabilitation facility (as differentiated from a prison) in Austria- who has a much more progressive view of incarceration than the US to begin with, and for which no violent criminals would be housed in- and are representing all prison conditions to be like this. Is that the point you're making? Because that seems to be your point, that people who commit barbaric acts will wind up in a facility like this, so we better just brutalize them instead.

Most of the prisoners in Bastoy (Norway) were convicted of violent offenses, such as murder or rape. I don't think it is a nice idea to provide such people with 5-star facilities inside the prison. If I had the power, then I'll ship them either to the White Swan or to the Black Dolphin in Russia.

I suppose it depends what the intent of prison is. If it's to reform people and have them be functioning members of society when they're released, I think Bastoy is shows some promise. If it's to punish people in harsh conditions during and after imprisonment so they are likely to return to crime, the US prison system is exemplary.
Naw.  There are many levels and styles of prison in the US, ranging from minimal confinement to single cell lockup.  There are many, many facilities for druggies which are more like drug rehab facilities than prison.  Etc.  

It's probably the luck of the draw though than any top down philosophical decision.  You sure wouldn't want to be in the state penn in one of the very poor states like Mississippi.

Are you disputing that the majority of prisons do not make rehabilitation their primary function? The war on drugs has proven to be the death of rehabilitative prisons as they are overcrowded past their ability to function in a rehabilitative manner, even when they're specifically built to be so. Here's a nice and short synopsis of the changing role of the US prison system: http://www.adpsr.org/home/prison_history.  Perhaps if the war on drugs were eliminated, there would be less stress on the system and it could return to a more rehabilitative role, but that would require a seismic political shift in the national landscape, especially by the republican party. I'm hopeful, but not expectant.
I'm saying that I know of several large systems in Texas that are strictly for drug offenders, which are minimal security.  Boatloads of people go to those types of places.  Your article conveniently ignores this reality.  But Texas has money, it's pretty rich as states go.  The harshest, most horrible places will always be states short on funds and hence short on basic necessities for inmates.

Also, you might want to rethink the concept of the "war on drugs by Republicans" since most attorneys vote Democratic (at least historically, that may change with the flight away from Obama).  This means the main cash from the "Drug war", that of the courts, legal system and it's attorney inhabitants - are largely Democratic.....

I've never seen any marked improvement in drug law enforcement where the sheriffs or police chiefs were Democratic, for example, over Republican.  With the obvious exception of the Oakland/SF area, and maybe Oregon/Portland, before some drugs were legalized up there.  Try Louisiana for downright mean, harsh enforcement of drug law by Democrats.  The list could go on and on. 

In short, false dichotomy.   About as ridiculous as the "Republican war on women."
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April 25, 2015, 12:34:44 PM
So you came across a rehabilitation facility (as differentiated from a prison) in Austria- who has a much more progressive view of incarceration than the US to begin with, and for which no violent criminals would be housed in- and are representing all prison conditions to be like this. Is that the point you're making? Because that seems to be your point, that people who commit barbaric acts will wind up in a facility like this, so we better just brutalize them instead.

Most of the prisoners in Bastoy (Norway) were convicted of violent offenses, such as murder or rape. I don't think it is a nice idea to provide such people with 5-star facilities inside the prison. If I had the power, then I'll ship them either to the White Swan or to the Black Dolphin in Russia.

I suppose it depends what the intent of prison is. If it's to reform people and have them be functioning members of society when they're released, I think Bastoy is shows some promise. If it's to punish people in harsh conditions during and after imprisonment so they are likely to return to crime, the US prison system is exemplary.
Naw.  There are many levels and styles of prison in the US, ranging from minimal confinement to single cell lockup.  There are many, many facilities for druggies which are more like drug rehab facilities than prison.  Etc.  

It's probably the luck of the draw though than any top down philosophical decision.  You sure wouldn't want to be in the state penn in one of the very poor states like Mississippi.

Are you disputing that the majority of prisons do not make rehabilitation their primary function? The war on drugs has proven to be the death of rehabilitative prisons as they are overcrowded past their ability to function in a rehabilitative manner, even when they're specifically built to be so. Here's a nice and short synopsis of the changing role of the US prison system: http://www.adpsr.org/home/prison_history.  Perhaps if the war on drugs were eliminated, there would be less stress on the system and it could return to a more rehabilitative role, but that would require a seismic political shift in the national landscape, especially by the republican party. I'm hopeful, but not expectant.
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April 24, 2015, 05:06:44 PM
So you came across a rehabilitation facility (as differentiated from a prison) in Austria- who has a much more progressive view of incarceration than the US to begin with, and for which no violent criminals would be housed in- and are representing all prison conditions to be like this. Is that the point you're making? Because that seems to be your point, that people who commit barbaric acts will wind up in a facility like this, so we better just brutalize them instead.

Most of the prisoners in Bastoy (Norway) were convicted of violent offenses, such as murder or rape. I don't think it is a nice idea to provide such people with 5-star facilities inside the prison. If I had the power, then I'll ship them either to the White Swan or to the Black Dolphin in Russia.

I suppose it depends what the intent of prison is. If it's to reform people and have them be functioning members of society when they're released, I think Bastoy is shows some promise. If it's to punish people in harsh conditions during and after imprisonment so they are likely to return to crime, the US prison system is exemplary.
Naw.  There are many levels and styles of prison in the US, ranging from minimal confinement to single cell lockup.  There are many, many facilities for druggies which are more like drug rehab facilities than prison.  Etc. 

It's probably the luck of the draw though than any top down philosophical decision.  You sure wouldn't want to be in the state penn in one of the very poor states like Mississippi.
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April 24, 2015, 03:50:11 PM
So you came across a rehabilitation facility (as differentiated from a prison) in Austria- who has a much more progressive view of incarceration than the US to begin with, and for which no violent criminals would be housed in- and are representing all prison conditions to be like this. Is that the point you're making? Because that seems to be your point, that people who commit barbaric acts will wind up in a facility like this, so we better just brutalize them instead.

Most of the prisoners in Bastoy (Norway) were convicted of violent offenses, such as murder or rape. I don't think it is a nice idea to provide such people with 5-star facilities inside the prison. If I had the power, then I'll ship them either to the White Swan or to the Black Dolphin in Russia.

I suppose it depends what the intent of prison is. If it's to reform people and have them be functioning members of society when they're released, I think Bastoy is shows some promise. If it's to punish people in harsh conditions during and after imprisonment so they are likely to return to crime, the US prison system is exemplary.
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April 24, 2015, 11:37:05 AM
You know what?  I don't mind a prison where people don't suffer so much. 

If you can keep them separate from the population they'd otherwise prey on, and not fuck them up so badly that they can never rejoin civilization again, I'd say you're doing your job.

The problem with treating prisoners badly is that you make them harder and nastier and more out-of-step with your civilian society than they were to start with.  You fuck them up so badly that releasing them doesn't work all that well. 
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April 23, 2015, 10:07:38 PM
So you came across a rehabilitation facility (as differentiated from a prison) in Austria- who has a much more progressive view of incarceration than the US to begin with, and for which no violent criminals would be housed in- and are representing all prison conditions to be like this. Is that the point you're making? Because that seems to be your point, that people who commit barbaric acts will wind up in a facility like this, so we better just brutalize them instead.

Most of the prisoners in Bastoy (Norway) were convicted of violent offenses, such as murder or rape. I don't think it is a nice idea to provide such people with 5-star facilities inside the prison. If I had the power, then I'll ship them either to the White Swan or to the Black Dolphin in Russia.
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April 23, 2015, 01:44:47 PM
This may be splitting hairs at this point, but what really is the difference between burning somebody to death and stoning them to death? Is it just a personal preference, or are you taking something else into account, because I consider them both barbaric forms of punishment.

Barbaric forms of punishment are required for crimes which are of barbaric nature. Simple jail terms, with access to 5-star food and video-game consoles will only encourage these sort of crimes. These people should be made to suffer.

Jail: A five-star retreat in the mind of bryant.coleman. Way to stay grounded in reality.

Do you need proof? Check this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgujwijPwxo
http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/03/5-star-prison-in-austria.html

An inmate sunbathes on the deck of his bungalow on Bastoy:



So you came across a rehabilitation facility (as differentiated from a prison) in Austria- who has a much more progressive view of incarceration than the US to begin with, and for which no violent criminals would be housed in- and are representing all prison conditions to be like this. Is that the point you're making? Because that seems to be your point, that people who commit barbaric acts will wind up in a facility like this, so we better just brutalize them instead.
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April 21, 2015, 02:08:39 PM
What is the difference with Epstein, and the 12 years old? he give her an after morning pill to clean his mess... not stupid... did billy did the same y. who else? to the camp where the works make free those doing it, not the receiving hand... (but don't worry it will mostly be automatized... the project move forward, and blueprint have to be tested). hc.

I can't understand what you are saying, can you explain it more in a clear, readable and understandable way? Thanks.

poor you, I didn't realize... sorry.

you don't know nothing ain't bad... look (understand that you will have to be active) :

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what's the difference? the clothes? the plans? the fact that the Will of an Individual was Breached? If you can get that, please present yourself to the next tagger available, you will be further processed thx.
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April 21, 2015, 12:41:12 PM
What is the difference with Epstein, and the 12 years old? he give her an after morning pill to clean his mess... not stupid... did billy did the same y. who else? to the camp where the works make free those doing it, not the receiving hand... (but don't worry it will mostly be automatized... the project move forward, and blueprint have to be tested). hc.

I can't understand what you are saying, can you explain it more in a clear, readable and understandable way? Thanks.
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April 20, 2015, 08:38:16 AM
ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl

http://nypost.com/2015/04/11/isis-impregnates-9-year-old-girl/

<< A 9-year-old girl is pregnant after being raped by ISIS savages in Iraq, a report said.

"The abuse she has suffered left her mentally and physically traumatized", said Yousif Daoud, a Canadian-based aid worker who recently returned from the region. "This girl is so young she could die if she delivers a baby. Even cesarean section is dangerous."

At least 10 different men with the Islamic State were said to have sexually assaulted the child, the Toronto Star reported. >>

This is so wrong in all levels, the wrong things they do will not go un noticed and people should be ashamed to join the group and following their delusional leader who appears to be as psycho as they come.
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April 20, 2015, 05:37:52 AM
What is the difference with Epstein, and the 12 years old? he give her an after morning pill to clean his mess... not stupid... did billy did the same y. who else? to the camp where the works make free those doing it, not the receiving hand... (but don't worry it will mostly be automatized... the project move forward, and blueprint have to be tested). hc.
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April 20, 2015, 05:24:34 AM
This may be splitting hairs at this point, but what really is the difference between burning somebody to death and stoning them to death? Is it just a personal preference, or are you taking something else into account, because I consider them both barbaric forms of punishment.

Barbaric forms of punishment are required for crimes which are of barbaric nature. Simple jail terms, with access to 5-star food and video-game consoles will only encourage these sort of crimes. These people should be made to suffer.

Jail: A five-star retreat in the mind of bryant.coleman. Way to stay grounded in reality.

Do you need proof? Check this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgujwijPwxo
http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2009/03/5-star-prison-in-austria.html

An inmate sunbathes on the deck of his bungalow on Bastoy:

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April 19, 2015, 11:00:31 PM

Also, every major religion uses the threat of eternal punishment in hell to scare people into behaving. Fear has never worked, whether it was temporary pain or when it was accepted to be eternal torment.

No, that whole afterlife thing is mainly just the death cults.  Christianity, Islam, and several others in history.

But Jews and Buddhists for example don't really have afterlife-centric beliefs.  If you ask a rabbi, he'll tell you "souls come from God and they return to God."  And there's not really even so much as speculation about whether there is an experiential afterlife and whether it is filled with suffering or glory.   

If you ask a Buddhist, then depending on what path of Buddhist, he'll either tell you the question is irrelevant, or tell you that we are to be reincarnated until we have no more to learn - and there isn't much in the way of any belief about what happens after that point; "Nirvana" is a concept, not a place anyone expects to experience.  What they expect to experience on achieving Nirvana - is Nothing.  Pure oblivion, a complete cessation of experience.  And there are lots of variations on that belief throughout the Eastern hemisphere. 

These are MAJOR religions, with millions, and sometimes billions, of followers.  They just happen not to be the kind of death cults that drive this sort of violence.


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April 19, 2015, 09:37:02 PM
This may be splitting hairs at this point, but what really is the difference between burning somebody to death and stoning them to death? Is it just a personal preference, or are you taking something else into account, because I consider them both barbaric forms of punishment.

Barbaric forms of punishment are required for crimes which are of barbaric nature. Simple jail terms, with access to 5-star food and video-game consoles will only encourage these sort of crimes. These people should be made to suffer.

Jail: A five-star retreat in the mind of bryant.coleman. Way to stay grounded in reality.



Really, stoning and burning to death is barbaric in the eyes of the audience.  These are intended to make the audience fear.

That's true, but there are some things we generally accept as universal. Even though we have the death penalty, the penalty is agreed to be death, not intentional agony. That's why death penalties that inflict pain aren't tolerated.

Also, every major religion uses the threat of eternal punishment in hell to scare people into behaving. Fear has never worked, whether it was temporary pain or when it was accepted to be eternal torment.
LOL, you should tell those arguments to ISIS.  They seem to think that fear works.

I disagree.  But it probably works to an extent in some cultures.
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