Topic: ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl - page 6. (Read 12457 times)

I have seen some reports, so I thought that's how it is in such countries. However, if what you said is true, why do they claim they are following Islamic rules?

And yes. It's not easy to get a death sentence especially in a democratic country. Many people will cone with human rights flag if a death sentence is given.

Things are not that simple. Rape laws in many of the Islamic nations are biased against the victim. Most of the times, it is the victim who is punished, not the perpetrators.

For raping, in countries which claim to follow Islamic rules, they will get a death sentence, obviously, stone to death.

I don't like burning them nor a living being alive though.

I dint get you. Burning them alive or stoning them to death is a decent punishment but I am not aware of the law in that girl's country. The criminals usually don't get a death sentence for rape.

twister found the punishment. Would it be strong enough to carry theur body upside down?

That's why I said on this general matter of ISIS atrocities "I'm through with the discusion."

In the case of ISIS I think that's the right approach.

Same here. But I find this a common thing that whenever a rape, murder or terrorist case comes in front, people start finding the reason behind it and start debating on the religion/country/state of mind of the criminal rather than discussing the punishment for the criminal.

It seems that my previous attempt has been ignored. Well, let me try again.

  You and I agree on this. It's still fun to ask True Believers to justify their stories, especially when they act so hostile about how great their religion is.

It's doubtful any Westerner non-Islamic is going to go through the social code of the Koran and conclude it's "Wonderful and Perfect."  That's something a True Believer would say.

It looks to me like a bunch of basic rules conceived of in medieval times to force the illiterate and ignorant masses to obey. 

I'm good with that.  That means more Bacon for Me!

I really agree with this sentiment, but for as trivial we may find religion, we have to acknowledge the reality that religion is a guiding force in the daily lives of much of this world's inhabitants. In essence, you have identified the chief problem: some of us saying only actions matter, some of us saying that actions can have religious justifications. In the minds of the people who are guided by religion, you can't convince them their actions are wrong where they believe they have a religious justification to act a certain way.

I'm sick of people thinking religion is even an important question.

It doesn't fucking matter what religion someone is.  It doesn't even matter whether they find justification for what they're doing in religion.  What matters is what they do.

I would count it as real progress in the world if we didn't even know how many muslims, how many christians, how many atheists, etc, because everybody understood that the question was too darn trivial to even bother asking.

None of which you mentioned? How convenient! It's sad for you that instead of writing anything thoughtful you resort to attacks. It shows the strength of your argument. Here's a tip: it's not my job to go through your fairy tales to find justifications for your arguments. You're the one trying to prove your religion is so wonderful and perfect. And you're doing a terrible job.

Would you include each and every member of the ISIS armies?

I ask because in the past...for example we handled differently the German average foot soldier than the SS or those in charge of the concentration camps.  Most were simply let go to go home, others were I think for them most part rightfully sentenced to death.

Nice reply, you are a real anarchist!
It is extremely difficult to find them, most will say "we are anarchst" and they will go to vote at the election  (epic fail).




I think the isis members don't know what is the Geneva convention, or other accords. They should be killed, they don't deserve the life.

yep, effectively dealing with this and similar situations takes coordination that has been to this point impossible to put together.

The world needs to wake up to the fact that this is their problem.  they must commit resources.  they must take this seriously.  they must assist in every way possible and stop waiting for someone else to solve the problem.  and that is only from the military side of the equation. 

If the world decided to stamp ISIS out they'd be done in a matter of months.  Drop the boots on the ground wherever they are now in great numbers and wipe them out.  hit them with massive, overwhelming force and keep a standing army of international anti-terrorist forces of serious size and resources, ready to deploy when necessary.  I'm not talking about the blue beret UN peacekeepers, I mean an army that sets out to destroy the enemy and goes in and attacks with overwhelming force. 

diplomatically all nations have to also agree to stamp this type of shit out and cooperate in good faith to do so.  Cut off their money, cut off the backchannel support they are getting from those that outwardly condemn this but in reality support it, cut off their safe havens.  Without resources and places to hide there is no nothing, even for these crazy assholes.  that sort of international cooperation will, unfortunately, never happen.

We are in agreement.  I was talking about consideration of the moral, ethical and cultural questions relative to the atrocities - saying "Okay, I figured this out.  Now let's kill the bastards."

Developing a cohesive and systematic plan to do that efficiently would be a matter for nations as well as individuals, and would take possibly years.  The Geneva Convention does not apply to ISIS.

Yes it's totally normal to behave like that in such a situation. But we need to calm down and think rationally before acting against such people.

LOL Anarchists bicker amongst themselves about who the 'real' Anarchists are, socialists/communists would tell you they're the real Anarchists and capitalists can't be Anarchists, I just consider Anarchism to be what it's described as, without rulers, as long as there's no hierarchy enforcing it's will on other people through violence I'd be pretty happy but that's pretty much all society is made up of right now.


Exactly snail2, that's what I'm saying as well, it's far more shocking to see it all on unfold and that's how the Jihadists like it, they want to scare the fuck out of you, in the same way our own leaders use constant streams of information about murder and crime to scare the fuck out of all of us even though when you actually look at the statistics there haven't actually really been as many homicides etc. as they're making out to be.

If the world was really all that bad, we'd be screwed right now but that just shows you how much people are all turning on ISIS in the end.

By numbers and destruction they are not even close to most of the conquerors across history. The difference is in the information flow. We've heard only stories about the deeds of the romans, huns, mongolians, etc. This one is happening almost real-time in our living room thanks to the media coverage.