Topic: Isreal and Palestine war and losing your wallet phrase and password - page 3. (Read 998 times)

If I were in their shoes before the war, it’s much better to engrave the phrases in indestructible metal bars of any kind as it is resistant to fire, water or any calamity.

I wouldn’t count on saving my seed phrases online and/or in my hard drive, USB, etc. I would rather invest a safe box that is indestructible and keep it somewhere safe along with my phrases and other important stuff regardless of the calamity that I am encountering.

But no matter what, surviving is always my first priority even if I would lose all of my access in my assets because I can get it back anytime I want.

In a war situation as extreme as the described I think that one prioritizes other things and coins are secondary. But if the circumstances allow it, and you are able to plan on beforehand how to escape with your coins, maybe one of the best options would be to send a good percentage to your Bitcoins to one wallet and memorise the keys.

Hard wallets like Trezor are great in most situations, but if you have to escape you risk losing everything in a possible body search.

In general, that's what I'm talking about!
I will say a general phrase that describes both the problems of escaping from war and other problems - “running away from a problem only aggravates it.”

And regarding the mechanisms of saving, if we talk about war, we must consider not the option “how can I get to my wallet later,” but “how, in the event of a negative development of the situation, can I provide access to my savings to me or my closest people.” Unfortunately, these are the realities of WAR, and it is impossible to predict what will happen tomorrow or in an hour when your country is attacked by crazy terrorists...

If you lose those you can't gain them back anymore. It's just that simple.

Some wallet providers will give you access as long as you can provide verification that it was indeed you, but I won't hold on to that hope cause those are usually only reserved for hot wallet providers and all that stuff. Your best bet is always going to be cold wallets with portability options like Trezor, these wallets are very easy to carry and can even be used as a keychain if you so please. Giving you the benefit of being able to carry it with you wherever you go.

Besides, survival is going to be your first priority when you're in the middle of warring states, money can be earned back provided that you stay alive, if you die, you can't get anything back.

That is a great Idea. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Sometimes we don't know what will happen to us especially OP is talking about war. If someone does not have metal washers to write stamp the seed phrase, they can do these encryption methods if they want. So it's three-layer protected. First one is PGP encryption, and the 2nd one is locked.rar file and the third one is 2FA locked. 2FA locked could be tricky because someone may lose their phone in war or in case they get injured somehow and lose their phone somewhere. Papers are not safe in those environment. People might lose their sense if they get injured and the paper can be stolen from their pocket or moneybag.

I won't discuss the wars that happened and who was right and who was wrong. But if everyone tries to flee the country when it is at war, are we patriotic citizens? And if everyone has the mentality of running away, who will stay and fight to keep the country? This is a selfish mindset and people with this mindset do not deserve to return after the country is at peace. They are even more unworthy of making any demands from the government because they do not help the country.

Regarding storage, there are many ways to do it because we live in a technological world, as long as we can still connect to the internet, I think finding a temporary storage place will not be too difficult.

I don't agree with you. I myself am a citizen of Ukraine, a resident of Kyiv. On February 24, I suggested that my wife leave the city, since there were very high risks of both shelling and the arrival of the country’s troops, an international terrorist, in Kiev (by the way, they even partially entered Kiev in several areas, but were destroyed). My son and I went and signed up for the Kyiv Territorial Defense. Why ? The answer is simple: this is MY country, this is MY city, and if we all “ran away from the war”, both in Kiev and in Ukraine there would already be the so-called “Russian world”, but in fact - a mixture of Nazism and terrorism, i.e. .e. RASHISM.
There would have been many millions of civilians killed at the hands of Kremlin Nazism, even more cities and destinies destroyed. Therefore, we MUST defend our land, our country, our family!

My wife did not go anywhere, saying that we must go through all this only together. In Ukraine, women also behave courageously and responsibly...

Regarding the storage of access data to wallets, I forwarded them to two of my friends whom I trust and who live in other countries (immigrants from Ukraine, but in the 1990s-2000s they moved to live in other countries), leaving the contacts of all family members (phone, various instant messengers, mail , social networks....), in case of unforeseen situations, and loss of contact with me

Wars don't just break out, there must have been some signs and if you are living in such country you need to get the hell out before it gets worse, I knew some people living in Ukraine before the war began, they evade the country and after the real war on Ukraine started.

This is one of the reasons why emergency money is good, always have this in mind, as your home might become that of a stranger some day, I trust myself in this category as I am not always that lose when it comes to unexpected events, I am the type that always expect the unexpected.

Since you aren't in Israel or other countries that are at war still doesn't mean you should be prepared, as I read someone saying why worry when you are not in such countries, no where is ever safe and there is nothing different between you are people living in such countries, same thing can happen in any country, big or small.

The first case in which you think about war is if your house is bombed. You and your family will leave immediately without being able to take anything with you. Even if you wrote the seed on a piece of paper or on a piece of stainless steel or something similar, you may not be able to reach it at that terrifying moment. . Because your only concern at that time is to save your life.

So perhaps it is best to keep the piece of paper or steel containing the seed in your pocket at all times, so that it stays with you in case you are suddenly bombed and have to run away without being able to take anything with you.

We can actually do something to avoid such unfortunate incident to us like storing our keys somewhere else like on offline storage which we can easily carry out once there's a emergency situation happens. But many didn't expect that war will happen since everyone is partying but suddenly this unfortunate things happen as quick as they though. But for me if I am in the middle of the war I will just leave all my belonging since my first priority is my safety and also my family. Will just came back there once situation will be fine and if I can't recover my bitcoin then its fine since as long as we are alive then all is good. Bitcoins can be earn but human life is more important, although its really a huge loss for us but once everything will be fine and war ends we can still earn another volume to hold.

Of course, whenever a war starts somewhere, the first priority is to save one's life, but it is human nature that he can never leave his investment easily. In war, houses and shops are destroyed, but people try hard to take what they can take with them. If someone has gold, he will try to take as much as he can or keep it somewhere safe,because he has to financially survive himself and his family in the new country or anywhere.

So that if the opportunity arose again after the war, he could recover his capital. Your suggestion is also great to write down your seed of phrase and save them to the stainless steel tube, but you have to protect this tube in a better way, because even if the tube is lost, you can lose everything, because moving to a new country and then keeping it safe there will not be easy.

I always make sure to memorize my mnemonic phrase whenever I create a new wallet. I will repeat the words everyday until they are stuck in my head. If something catastrophic were to happen and all my possessions were to be destroyed I would not lose access to my Bitcoin as long as I don't forget the backup phrase.


My Coinbase account was the first wallet that I used. After a while my PC stopped working and I didn't have access to my account for some time. I felt my coins would be safe when I recovered my account. I did eventually regain access but Coinbase had started implementing mandatory KYC and if I had waited a few more months I wouldn't be able to withdraw my funds because I signed up using an alias and it would be impossible to pass KYC. After that I never trusted centralized services. We have also seen what happened with FTX and Celsius. The only way you can ensure the safety of your money is through self custody.

it is a fairly confusing condition where there is no other access other than phrase and privatekey to restart with any amount of stored assets, the device is like just a container of course potentially lost, damaged or unable to be filled due to certain conditions.

phrase and privatekey here are worthy of the contents that we can fill in anytime anywhere and however, depending on the wallet we have, I'm talking about the bitcoin network only.

I still store in paper so far, even though the paper condition is still good I can update maybe once a year for my savings wallet during DCA.

Or you can try storing in the cloud if you protect your email a2f, either in google keep or similar notes.

hard media is quite a lot, either iron, wood, decorative stone, canvas or you can screen print/embroider on a piece of handkerchief fabric.

any device you can find in any condition, the most important thing is to keep the privatkey and phrase to enter the wallet you want and you can see and even use if you have an emergency, I hope you are in good condition, this is just an anticipation.

I've experienced in the mobile browser wallet, it's quite easy with the phrase saved for restoration. Even though I didn't know at first and made a new wallet because I didn't want it to happen twice, I backed up what I thought was enough for me to reach it.

That's one of the reasons i am keeping mine in exchanges. Better security and better backups than i could ever provide. Yeah, sure they get hacked and cexes are against an ideological ethos in here, but frankly i don't care. I am not doing anything illegal so my coins won't be confiscated by any government, i have an instant liquidity ready and don't have to worry losing my private keys. Funny enough, i already lost one paper sheet with all my old account private keys in it. Maybe that lucky finder will get some airdrops later on.

To be honest if I was in the middle of war like in Israel Palestine conflict, I think wouldn't even think about my investment, I would just run and try to survive. But since OP made this discussion, maybe if there is a warning before the actual war break out, I would write my seed phrase put it in a stainless steel tube and then I run out of the country.

Actually in this case I think the title doesn't really fit the context because after all this is just a condition where we imagine in a war situation and your context is not Israel with Palestine because in the end this is just when your PC is broken or whatever.
Answering that is quite obvious when you lose the phrase and can't remember the seed phrase that you have then it is certain that we will lose the access that we have to enter the wallet. This is not referring to war only but in any condition when your PC crashes and your wallet is embedded in it when you lose the seed everything will be lost and cannot be restored.

Another approach to this could be just having something in your pocket? Like a ledger wallet or even a simple usb? I mean if it is on your keychain for example that means that you are going everywhere with it, you have it on your keychain after all and that means you are going to end up with a good result. If you are shot and at hospital you still have your keychain unless they stole it, or if you are bombed and have to vacate then you can take your keychain with you, if you are anywhere, even if you go to another nation, all of that means keychain will be with you.

A simple usb that goes into your keychain would solve 99.99% of these problems. Only possibility that could make things go wrong would be just the fact that you may get it stolen if you are way into the war itself, and if you are in the war itself where you are fighting against other people then I am sure that bitcoin is the least of your worries, people firing bullets to your head seems a lot worse than losing your coins.

This is sad but you can’t do anything about this once you’ve lost your private keys or phrase that is written on a paper or saves on your computer, its too sad to hear this kind of news but if you are still on a safe place then you can at least start backing up your details and look for alternative option where you can save your details safely. Well, your security and safety are more important and if you are on this situation, make sure to focus on your safety first. Praying for a world peace and I’d hope that this war will end soon.

This is a very sensitive topic. I wished the OP didn't mention Israel and Palestine. We have people from both sides here.

If you live in a region that is prone to war and other natural and man-made disasters, you have the responsibility to consider all the possible scenarios and be prepared for it as much as possible. And also have a backup for the backup.

mnemonics are easy to memorize. I don't see the problem, you can memorize up to 24 words using only 6 sentences, not to say that you only need 3 sentences to memorize a 12 word seed from electrum.

I have also two kind of backup an electronic backup encrypted with GPG and the 24 words written in a way of poem form just to not be too obvious at first sight