Isreal and Palestine war and losing your wallet phrase and password - page 6.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I always have digits backup just in case despite many warnings here about not backing up your seed phrase online. I always zip my seed phrase with password and put it on an online storage such as icloud. I make the name of the zip files like a typical documents just to make sure a hacker won’t get interested on it just in case.

I always expect the worst since my country is always experiencing strong typhoons every year that give high risk of physical damage on my properties. On this case of war, I believe having an online backup is your best choice since you can’t guarantee the safety of your assets physically. Just move the coins safely on different wallet once you are already on safe place.

yeah you can do this on emails. make three different emails.

say 24aatyb6531@yahoo
and zz2266tak12@yahoo
and tw24xtyuoks@yahoo

put eight seeds in each in each address.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

It's basically not a good idea to save your seed phrase (private key) on your computer or smartphone or write it down on paper and store it in your home safe. Because the seed phrase is the key to our crypto asset wallet, and if someone gets access to the wallet, they can steal all the assets in the wallet. Likewise if we live in a country that is being hit by war.

So it is important that we store it in Stainless Steel or better yet washers, bolts and nuts that are water and fire resistant. By engraving your phrase on it, you can then store your initial phrase in a safe location known only to you and your family.

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So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

There's nothing you can do. If you have neither the wallet file nor the seed phrase, there is no way to recover the wallet.

It's always recommended to keep multiple copies of your seed phrase in different locations.
For more security, you can consider graving your seed phrase on a stainless steel plate instead of a writing it down on a paper.

What happened if in the war you are force out in rush to survive bullets with no means carrying away with you stainless steel plate of the graving that you make of your passphrase for the coins. What can you do because war and running out to refugee camp has no preparation. I'm looking at the war all over different location and I think of that for people in problem like that.

Quote from: alani123 on October 17, 2023, 05:40:31 AM

You can use software that allows you to create a wallet with a seed phrase of 12 words.
It's not impossible to remember 12 words if they are very important. This way you can keep the wallet in your brain. Also known as a bitcoin brainwallet. No one can steal your thoughts.
In cryptography we trust (& verify).

Can you keep memorizing 12 different words for how many years. If you open your wallet and safe in your brain you will forget one of the phrase after long time. You thinking to memorize during war before escaping death is not easy because of fear you can't remember them.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I always have digits backup just in case despite many warnings here about not backing up your seed phrase online. I always zip my seed phrase with password and put it on an online storage such as icloud. I make the name of the zip files like a typical documents just to make sure a hacker won’t get interested on it just in case.

I always expect the worst since my country is always experiencing strong typhoons every year that give high risk of physical damage on my properties. On this case of war, I believe having an online backup is your best choice since you can’t guarantee the safety of your assets physically. Just move the coins safely on different wallet once you are already on safe place.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

So I will go to get away from the conflict area, there is no point in staying where the war is, there is more anxiety about not only losing the seed phrase but you will also lose your comfort because of the rockets that continue to be dropped due to this threat.
In essence, you have to leave, if it starts to become more conducive then you can come back, but this place has been at war for several years and conflicts continue to occur.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

It depends on what war!
If you are a Palestinian kicked out of your homeland and placed in a prison called Gaza Strip where every 2 minutes on average a heavy bomb is dropped on your head and most of those bombs are phosphorous bombs that boils you do death, then there isn't much you can do because not just your PC but everything you own and yourself are most probably going to turn into ash.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

On reading this at first, I wanted to disregard it until I understood that there is a great sense in the post. What OP said is something that might likely happen. I haven't experienced any war since I was born but I think war doesn't just happen. There are some signs and build ups to war before the real war starts. When the signs were coming, maybe as Homas were sending missiles, I would simply grab my seed phrase or important my wallet on my mobile device. Either or both of the two methods will enable me escape with the seed phrase before the war intensifies.

Steel made seed phrase is an option. But I'm thinking about a situation that a whole high elevated building is brought down and after the war you go back to excavate the collapsed structure in search of a seed phrase Grin

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I don't think that it's going for me or almost any person here to advice you about what to do next after surviving the war, so I will try my best to relate something and I think the closest would be a fire engulfing a house but that's still a different story. If I recall correctly, war torn country survivors are going to be refugees in other countries that's giving asylums, your best bet in that scenario is you become a refugee in a country that's not racist and against immigrants and if you can, establish a business (higher chance of business boom if it's food related given that new culture means curiosity for the locals who've never tried the new culture's cuisine), I mean that's what a lot of immigrants have opted to do when they went to other countries right? If you have the passphrase saved somewhere online, you can probably get it back.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

Of course, you have drawn attention to a very important issue, because when there is war, often everything is destroyed. We often write down our passwords and seed phrases in a diary or somewhere secret, but in the destruction that follows the war, all this can be lost. A password can be memorized, but a 12-word or 24-word seed phrase is extremely difficult to remember.

We have never thought that if such a situation arises, how we will get our coins back. After war again we cannot get our phrase safe. so there is no sustainable solution in sight. I don't think we will be able to get our coins back after the destruction of the war. It may be that if we feel that a war is about to break out in our country, we can secure our set-freezes with a close relative or friend whom we can trust, if he resides in another country, but there will be danger in this too.

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Quote from: alani123 on October 17, 2023, 05:40:31 AM

You can use software that allows you to create a wallet with a seed phrase of 12 words.
It's not impossible to remember 12 words if they are very important. This way you can keep the wallet in your brain. Also known as a bitcoin brainwallet. No one can steal your thoughts.
In cryptography we trust (& verify).

Nice idea. Backup phrases with brain memory are very effective, but I doubt this is done by people with memory problems.

To access a crypto wallet all we need is a key phrase. If we lose the phrase we will not be able to access it. Therefore, backup other than on the computer is important, maybe we can make a copy of the phrase with several alternatives. Natural disasters, war are unexpected factors, to anticipate these undesirable things alternatives such as writing phrases on iron plates, printing 12 phrases on paper or something similar are very necessary, of course we have to consider this option which is resistant to water and fire.

OP, I'm sorry for what you're experiencing, to help your problem now is your memory, because a BTC wallet without 12 Phrases is impossible to be access.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

In case of a war your computer burns and your bitcoin phrase which is saved in this computer system is fully burned then recovery of your wallet is impossible and all the bitcoin in your wallet will be gone permanently. Bitcoin is a valuable asset and the phrase is for its security you can not unlock your wallet without the phrase. Do not save your phrase in a single place when you save it in one place the chance of losing the phrase and risk increases. You also cannot save it in your office or other places if the body meets your phrase it will also cause complications so I think the best thing is to write down your phrase on a steal plate and put It into a save if anything other than warlike fire or any else occur your phrase will be saved and if you lose your phrase luckily you gotta live then life will be very difficult for you and you have to do all the work again which will take more time.

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The best is using a tool that resist against fire, corrosion, etc and hide it somewhere. If you live in a country that has a chance of conflict or natural disaster, it's better to carry it on your book or fly to other safe country.

Quote from: NotATether on October 17, 2023, 08:25:07 AM

I always tell people - email is not safe to store seed phrases! People have had their email messages snooped without even breaking inside, and others have lost money by trusting Google, Yahoo and Microsoft to keep their messages private!

People always have a mindset when there's nothing bad happen to them, it's safe. They don't care with other people are saying and will learn after they faced a problem in the future.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

That will be a consideration when we know our country is going to war, and as long as our country is fine, we can save the seed phrase anywhere as long as it is safe from other people and also from disasters that we cannot foresee.

And maybe the right choice would be to make several copies of the seed phrase to keep in various places other than your home and only you know about it, and engrave them on a steel plate that you can wear as a bracelet, necklace. Or anything you could wear or carry during a dire war situation.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I hadn't imagined that I would be in a war situation like that but it must be difficult for us to survive because everything has turned into a sea of fire.
The important thing is that you can store your seed phrase and everything related to your wallet in a safe place and you must have done it well.
You don't need to worry too much because if your country is still fine, that means you are also still fine so you need to keep your assets in a safe place.

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Quote from: Shishir99 on October 17, 2023, 07:56:54 AM

I cannot really imagine what I would do if I were there. Palestinian people suffering for decades and decades. Hamas (The freedom fighters of Palestine was tagged as a terrorist group by Western countries. Even Indians believe that Hamas is a terrorist group despite knowing the full background of how Hamas was built and why.

Hamas just murdered over a thousand people so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to imply here.

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Back to the point, I know it's not safe, but I would create two email accounts set a 2FA on both of the accounts, and send an email to my other email writing the seed phrase. If I survive, my phone is likely to survive as well.

If you write down your seed phrase and keep it with you (like in your pocket or something), then it will survive any airstrike, as long as you yourself can get away in one piece, of course.

I always tell people - email is not safe to store seed phrases! People have had their email messages snooped without even breaking inside, and others have lost money by trusting Google, Yahoo and Microsoft to keep their messages private!

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If you are in a precarious situation or in a location where there are frequent wars in the region then storing the initial phrase on the steel plate is widely recommended, but moreover you have to store in different locations you also have to know the situation of your region with its conflicts if you store only one place then nothing can be done it is destroyed all in this war attack.

I can't imagine being in the same location as Israel and Palestine which are full of conflicts, it is certainly worrying when storing something indoors because many buildings are destroyed there.

Choose steel plate it might be much safer.

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Quote from: gantez on October 17, 2023, 03:55:18 AM

Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

I cannot really imagine what I would do if I were there. Palestinian people suffering for decades and decades. Hamas (The freedom fighters of Palestine was tagged as a terrorist group by Western countries. Even Indians believe that Hamas is a terrorist group despite knowing the full background of how Hamas was built and why.

Back to the point, I know it's not safe, but I would create two email accounts set a 2FA on both of the accounts, and send an email to my other email writing the seed phrase. If I survive, my phone is likely to survive as well.

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It's good that this topic has been brought up. We never know what could happen to us, and in the event of a war or other unforeseen circumstances in our country, if we keep our wallet phrase and password in the same location where we live, there's a real possibility of losing access to our cryptocurrency. That's why, even though we hope it never happens to us, it's important to prepare for such scenarios.

Putting this information online can be quite risky, so keeping it in writing is a safer option. In this case, make sure you have copies in different locations that are only accessible by you. I understand that this can be challenging, especially if you don't have multiple properties. In such cases, you might consider entrusting copies to family or friends who do not live in the same place you do. While there is some risk associated with this, you need to assess whether you can tolerate that risk because having backups in different locations is a best practice for safeguarding your cryptocurrency assets.

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Phrase is the only way to recover a wallet, losing Phrase means you have also lost all the assets stored in the wallet. When you live in a part of the country that is at war, you need to copy the phrase in many places. If necessary, you have to copy the phrase on metal and then store it in the ground.
Crypto players in these two countries will do everything they can to keep the phrase from disappearing. Anyone who has large amounts of assets in their wallet will try to maintain the security of the phrase by writing it in a place that is not flammable and is resistant to heat in high temperatures.

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Do you think there's no any tool or media that can resist against fire? there's a steel plate.

As long as you're not live in Israel or Palestine and it's territories, why you need to care? what you need at that time is find your seed phrase and move to other country ASAP, if your government forbid it, you have no way except join a war and think how to survive, not protecting the wealth you have anymore.

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