Topic: Isreal and Palestine war and losing your wallet phrase and password - page 5. (Read 998 times)

The thing that differentiates crypto assets from other assets is that when we have a private key it is almost difficult to be hacked, I won't say impossible because developments will continue to occur and one day there may be a simple program or application that can read the private key algorithm so that it becomes the end result. from the era of cryptocurrencies.

That is if you're using a paper wallet or storing your seed on a laminated paper material, there's a way you can encrypt your seeds o a metallic stainless steel and it will not be affected by fire until it got to a certain degree of temperature, we can also have a dual copy of where or how we save our private keys, this will serve as an alternative backup for us to use whenever we are having challenges in having access to any.

In a critical situation, the last thing I would count on is my memory.... believe me - stress, concussion, injury - and your memory will fail with a VERY high probability. And this is synonymous with “I lost my wallet forever.” It is necessary to have an alternative mechanism for storing critical data - for example, mail systems of large suppliers (Google, Microsoft,...), perhaps (additionally) - trusted people located outside the risk zone. In a word, you need to have 1-2-3 alternative options, in addition to faith in your memory.. As practice has shown, for example, in Ukraine, which is suffering from terrorist attacks on peaceful cities by the Russian terrorist army, our peaceful cities are shelled at night, when everyone is sleeping, and after being hit ballistic missiles into a residential apartment building - you are unlikely to have time to collect a laptop, papers, or anything else to save them... there the question comes in a split second... Terrorists fire volleys at civilians. And if you leave an engraved iron plate at home, and your city is captured, for example, by Russian terrorist troops, your home will be looted, and everyone will steal - wallets, jewelry, equipment, worn underwear, toilets, dishes, anything incomprehensible and beautiful, . .. We came across this... Therefore, I do not recommend considering the option of physical accessible storage.

Overall, when you live in a war zone, you have to be prepared for this case the day you create your bitcoin wallet.
I would create 12 words seed phrase and start memorizing it, absolutely every day I would try to memorize it and repeat it, even after months, I would still do it. But at the same time, since no one knows when war starts, I would buy Cryptosteel Capsule and would keep it with me.

But if you are very unready, I would edit one of my old word documents and secretly put seed phrase, divided into four parts and would secretly store it in a way that only I would be able to collect it back and random person wouldn't have a doubt about bitcoin wallet. I won't say where and how I would save it because it will reveal too much about me and my methods. But this way of storing seeds is not recommended at all and I would only do it if I have no other choices.

I bet you have memorized some lyrics that you learnt at school and you still remember them exactly. Well, at least I believe. I would say that memorizing is not a bad method if person tries to memorize it every day and still repeats it even after being confident. By repeating the same words every day for months and more, you will remember it so well, you will be surprised. But I think all methods should be individual, I don't force anyone to follow this one cause I don't know their cognitive abilities but I just think it's not as bad as people say.

I feel like putting it online is not as terrible as people make it out to be, a lot of people act as if that would be the worst thing ever but that is not the case in most times. Just put your money online and you will be able to get it anywhere.

Sure, if you have a normal life that you do not have to run all the time then you can do whatever with other stuff, but that is not the case for others. Have something that you can reach via your mobile phone, and store it online and you can take your mobile phone with you everywhere, and even if you do not have your own mobile phone, you can find another one eventually and use that to download the app and log back in and get it.

If you can't even do that then it means you are not in a situation that you can consider bitcoin anyway, that is too late. Those type of online results are the best during that type of period, plenty of Ukrainians did it and it was a smart move to cross the border without anything on them and still had money anyway.

Only those who have been through such bad conditions of war can imagine how difficult the reality is for them. If you see the dead bodies of your relatives every day and are woken up by the sound of bullets and bombs, you can imagine the reality. In the current dire situation in Israel and Palestine, people are now preoccupied with saving their lives. The most important thing for people now is their life, they don't value anything else except life. Since we are not in that situation, many of us will talk a lot about how to save our wallet passwords or other important things, but if we had actual experience, we would have a different opinion. If the war between Palestine and Israel had stopped, many lives would have been saved.

I've actually thought about this, though it's not an effective storing technique but I'm left with no choice since I'm constantly on the run for my life. Storing my seed phrase on a piece of paper or metallic steel plate may not be ideal at this point as it could be destroyed. I know I don't support storing of seed phrase electronically but if I happen to be in a country where there's war, I would save it in a cloud storage and if I make it through the war and everything returns back to normalcy. I would look for a computer or phone and access my funds. If it's still in intact, I would create a new wallet, transfer my funds to the wallet and keep my seed phrase offline.

After the war things will be difficult to start, the economy is not in a position to make a profit but usually goes to a place where economic growth is better. So many war victims decided to go to other countries to get work and a better life. If a device is damaged, including a computer that contains a recovery seed and has not been properly backed up, there is nothing that can be done. The country where I live is independent, but that doesn't mean I feel safe if the assets I own are not stored properly. Having a spare place is mandatory in times of crisis or war. So always having anticipatory vigilance is the best way, because unexpected things come in surprising ways.

I would advise against it!

If you have absolutely no other solution, at least make it more difficult, four different addresses with different phone numbers (use a prepaid card) and spread the seed between those, not an entire seed in one address because if you do that and it gets hacked you've lost it, if you spread it then the hacked will only get 25% or 33% of the seed which would be useless!

Ignoring the small cases with users getting their google account hacked and their seed phrases stolen, we have the Mixin case where 200 million were lost because of a breach that led to their cloud storage account getting compromised!


They are not!
People are not machines, they are bad at randomizing and are bad at learning and memorizing random stuff.
We use most of the time a mind picture or a logic chain to memorize things, if you can't find one in a series of 12 or 24 words most likely you will forget it unless you practice that thing every day which kind of defeats the whole thing!

There were numerous experiments with how people memorize things and excluding elements from memory is normal, so translating this to bitcoin seed phrases, if you happen to have a thing like:
cabbage grape jealous banana
your brain will try to associate the three words that are vegetables and fruits which would lead overtime with losing the 3rd word in the sequence.

At the very first place you must need to secure your funds with the backup of your seed phrase, it doesnt mean that it connected online having a check only on it is enough you must need to make sure you have the backup seed because its money or your asset, anything can happen as a worst case scenario, at that point seems you need to make it start again with your investment from zero or else you made already a good other resources of cashflow.

I also thinking about the email idea and not writing it down on paper or to engrave in the stainless because if your building is suddenly on domestic fire and you are in your office you will not come home to rush inside the fire to save to get it.
If your apartment is attack in war like is happening in Israel and Palestine, Ukraine and Russia you run for your dear live, so it is difficult. I also believe email is a little safe if you have password that you can remember fast if you don't also lose your memory after the war. I think when saving in the email, you can make it secret or disorganized and you can save the wallet name different in draft that only you will be able to put them all together and the hacker will not know the name of the wallet to imput the passphrase. That is to secure against hackers .

If we rely on the title of the OP topic, then I don’t think that everything that happens in these two countries will allow a person to calmly remember the phrase. People are so scared and stressed that even if they remain safe, their memory can fail them at any time.

If you are in this situation, meaning you have lost your Seed Phrase, then I would like to send you my condolences that you will no longer have a chance to get your crypto assets back. But if you're just making an assumption and it hasn't occurred to you yet, you should quickly find another way to safely store your seed phrase. Only that way, when the war is over, can you get your crypto assets back. Protect the seed phrase by all means and try to survive the war.

I did with your way when saving my seed phrase, I use several placed not only saving seed phrase document but also I use two mobile phone and one computer to login with my wallet. When one place of saving my wallet loss access still have back up or recovery on another place of my mobile phone or computer. Its really important did when having important wallet access not only secure with saving seed phrase but also try to use several place access with our wallet.

Keep use your mobile phone with full of your controlling, don't try with your family mobile phone some time access by the other and get loss chance with our fund.

In this kind of situations to be honest there is absolutely nothing you can do, your well being will be your first priority but before this situation today where Hamas retaliated a bit, the Israelites were suppose to know that this kind of situation would occur because this has always be a time bomb ready to explode. So leaving a country like this with war round it’s corner just like everyone has stated out you would have made sure to duplicate your backs or rather set up a multi sig wallet with each seed phrase abc master private keys stored in different geological locations, maybe you can go back to them after you might have come out of the war in one piece but the seed phrase is definitely the least of your worries if a war breaks out in your place

We can't tell what might happen tomorrow, but on the other hand, I will have to say that it is good to always back up our device or to save stuff in different places, so in case any of these things happen, if we lose, the other will still be in a place.
There is a way one can keep his/her seed phrase, even if someone sees it, the person will not be able to understand what it really means. Sometimes we have to consider some of these things when we want to save guard our things.

I have considered a 'brainwallet' before but I think the key is to refresh those words regularly
as in to make sure you are remembering the correct words.

In the case of war where you have to vacate you home or that you cannot actually get to
your home a brainwallet is the only thing which is going to save you.

Another idea is if possible create your own seed phrase from a favourite book, say
the last 12 words in the last sentence of the last chapter, all you have to do is remember
which book.

If you are able to back them up, there's no worry that you need to think of. But if you have forgotten to do that, starting is always the hardest part but as long as you know how and where to start, you'll just need to have sometime until you can get back on your feet.

Not that you can if you don't have the back up. And if the HDD was totally destroyed, no way that it can be retrieved. But if by some chance and luck that HDD is still there, then there's the possibility that you can as long as the disk of data is still inside of it in a perfect condition. Some experts in data recovery could do it.

I haven't thought about being in that situation because I'm grateful to live in a safe country. However, as far as I know, this wallet phrase is very risky if it is stored on a PC, whether in a state of war or not, because the PC could be damaged or something else. Therefore, from now on you should be careful in storing your wallet phrase better and you should get used to guarding your wallet phrase, whether you have a little or a lot of crypto assets, write a copy of your initial phrase on a stainless steel can withstand various disasters.

If I were in a war situation, of course I would go to another country where there is no war, being in a place of war is not just a phrase that can lose your wallet, even our lives can be lost.

To be sincere with you, I always think of this situation whenever I come across those numerous comments on wallet safety. We can only think of where our wallets are after we've survived a war. No one thinks of where their money or property is in a war. No matter how tight you think you've made the safety of your wallet you can only have access to your place of safety for it if it's not affected by the incidence of war after the war or is anyone going to have sheets of papers on them as they journey for safety? I bet they will get dispossessed of such at first check point.

The only place to keep such would be in an email. Just pile up everything secret in one's email with a remarkable password. If one can remember the email password, one can easily open it after the war to assess whatever that's kept there but is the email even a better option with all the hacks we see every time?