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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

Match fixing is illegal in my country hence I will eave off that team once I come know about the match fixing. Usually the highly talented team are the primary target for bookies to get them fixed for a huge money. So, next time if you come across an underdog is winning then money might have played a very big role. Shocking and surprises in sports industry is most common but unfortunately bookies exploit those similar salutations.

In my opinion, fixed matches are the real cancer in gambling industry hence I believe that we must stay from such matches.

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Quote from: Reid on October 20, 2021, 06:10:34 AM

Fixed matches are real.
One Mafia member already wrote a book about that and it was said in the interview that he was given permission to write the book as long as other names will not be included or else it will be his life that will be on the line.

How does it work? Hell if we know. The secrecy of that is intact and all those who will get the information will be their customers only. Those who pay in exchange of the information given to them. If your friend received the leaked information it could be fake or not, you wouldn't know.
Other groups could be confusing the bettors to balance the bet.

Unfortunately this is the truth, it may seem something that you only watch in movies or something similar but it happens all the time, we must remember that even if most of the time we concentrate on the most popular sports and leagues there are many sport events happening all over the world in leagues that are not really popular.

And even if many casinos will not give any attention to those events that does not mean there are not local bookies you can place a bet on those events, so there is a strong incentive to fix games, and since those players do not earn a lot of money they can be easily convinced to lose a game if the money is right for them.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 19, 2021, 08:40:35 PM

Obviously this is the worst way to bet.
As real as they may be... I won't deny it, despite being very susceptible to blows.
But the chances of winning are much smaller than choosing yourself and betting on the matches you want and that you know the teams better.
In addition of course to paying cheaper, because in these fixed bets a percentage ends up with the middleman.
There is no advantage, tell your friend to run away from it.

Honestly, betting like this is just like you are betting to lose. Yeah, seeing no way to win and it was just a waste of time. I'm not sure how gamblers will react when they know it was a fixed game or the players themselves. I'd rather go betting to the real match, this fixed game emphasizing how manipulation can happen inside the casinos.

But anyway, if we'd come just for entertainment, well, that seems okay and you'll never get frustrated with the result.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

One thing to consider that your friend probably does not realize or he has an extremely rare contact who knows what they're talking about (highly unlikely) is that people who rig these games have to pay big money to pull it off and it is still extremely high risk. Unless we're talking about some small scale college sports team where big bets would be obvious and investigated - making large profits difficult, then there would be no reason for the person fixing the game to give up this information. It exposes the person rigging the game to more risk if a single extra person found out, which could result in their own large bets being forfeited if discovered and future profits from the inside cheater getting wrecked. It's highly unlikely your friend really had any special information.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 20, 2021, 10:21:38 AM

Fixed games exist, but whoever is "selling" them online for $10 doesn't have any info about them. There are various reasons why matches get fixed. It's not always to profit from illegal gambling, although that is surely one of the biggest reasons they exist.

Sometimes clubs help each other when one of them needs a point or two to reach certain goals. If you let us win today, we will return the favor when you need it. I am sure matches get fixed as part of the negotiations when signing new players. The club might be willing to drop the asking price if they win the next time they meet.

All you need is one player to fix a match. Football bets on markets such as "will there be a penalty" or "will there be a red card" bring good returns. For such a fix all you need is the keeper or one if the defenders to concede a penalty or make a tackle where he will be shown a red card. The entire team doesn't need to know about it. They might not even lose the match.

in this case you mention makes more sense to consider the possibility of some games being fixed
but do you think this also happens in entire plays where the whole team would know? coordinating dozens of people without the information leaking would be... hard

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Fixed matches happens all the time. I think they are easily can be found in amateur tournaments or in minor leagues. Often all these games are represented in gambling "live" sports. They just fill the space between professional games. Or admin just fill the list of games with them just so that gambler has more options to bet.

For example, not many players give their best when they play football in league C against a team of 11 friends from a neighborhood. When the price is a diploma. Of course one team can "suddenly" lose if they know that someone made a bet on their opponent.

Were there instances that games are proven to be rigged? I know the speculation as I myself bet on sports and I believe it's happening, but how can we assure that in a certain league, there's a fixing of games happening although someone would say that he got some tip?

We are hard to assure that is happening in a certain league because their action will not show clearly in public and hide it from people, even if they watch close to the match. Only those in the circle will know if the game is a fixed match of the games. Even some players will not know about that. That issue will still issue and if there are no people who act as whistleblowers, that issue will still remain hidden from the public.

Agreed, but some whistleblowers will say anything but everything. However, there are instances when we see a dip in performance or something that isn't quite right, and we wish we could say it was fixed, but we can't be sure because we don't have proof. But if happen that the public will know it was fixed game they will be penalised.

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Fixed games exist, but whoever is "selling" them online for $10 doesn't have any info about them. There are various reasons why matches get fixed. It's not always to profit from illegal gambling, although that is surely one of the biggest reasons they exist.

Sometimes clubs help each other when one of them needs a point or two to reach certain goals. If you let us win today, we will return the favor when you need it. I am sure matches get fixed as part of the negotiations when signing new players. The club might be willing to drop the asking price if they win the next time they meet.

All you need is one player to fix a match. Football bets on markets such as "will there be a penalty" or "will there be a red card" bring good returns. For such a fix all you need is the keeper or one if the defenders to concede a penalty or make a tackle where he will be shown a red card. The entire team doesn't need to know about it. They might not even lose the match.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

Yes this happens in reality, but only few or just the top brass and the management knows about it because if they were to spread this to others like friends or family then that might put them in a dangerous situations. There are also some rumors that the coach or referees are paid to get the game fixed to extend the league or season.

I don't think that the players can have an option to decline whatever the managements tells them to do, because either way these players are also getting paid to keep them silent.

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Quote from: Quidat on October 19, 2021, 05:17:06 PM

Different people does have different impressions which it is really just normal to have different choices on where people been doing.Risk management is a must have because if you dont know on how
to handle up yourself then you would really most likely ending up on bad decisions and when it comes to fixed matches thing then these things does really exist but pointing out
with your very own eyes is really hard.You couldnt tell if a particular game was fixed or totally fair and square.

yes, this is quite interesting too
how comfortable a person is in a determined position/investment/situation will vary depending on their time preferences, liquidity necessity, spending on daily life and many other factors
that story about even twin brothers having way different lifestyles depending on education and personal preferences

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 18, 2021, 08:48:30 AM

I was with a friend today who was in a hurry to place his bet on some numbers that were sent to him for some football matches that he believes are fixed. I'm a bit confused how fixed matches work.

Are fixed matches real? Do the coach and players of teams were matches have been fixed, do they consent to it? If you were in a team were your next fixture has been fixed, what will be your reaction?

Yes it's real it can be fixed, many individuals are collaborating to fix a game, some are perfectly done and there are times it is very obvious or evident, it's hard to prove them unless there are whistleblowers or the results and actions are very obvious, mafias and high rollers are doing this for their gain, that is why sports organizations have their own body to investigate and look for irregularities after the game.

I don't know how your friend got the info, it should be confidential to those involved and those bettors if your friend got it right and he knows it's fixed it's better for him to be quiet, he is risking himself if he exposes it.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 20, 2021, 02:46:44 AM

Quote from: bakasabo on October 20, 2021, 02:13:05 AM

Fixed matches happens all the time. I think they are easily can be found in amateur tournaments or in minor leagues. Often all these games are represented in gambling "live" sports. They just fill the space between professional games. Or admin just fill the list of games with them just so that gambler has more options to bet.

For example, not many players give their best when they play football in league C against a team of 11 friends from a neighborhood. When the price is a diploma. Of course one team can "suddenly" lose if they know that someone made a bet on their opponent.

Were there instances that games are proven to be rigged? I know the speculation as I myself bet on sports and I believe it's happening, but how can we assure that in a certain league, there's a fixing of games happening although someone would say that he got some tip?

We are hard to assure that is happening in a certain league because their action will not show clearly in public and hide it from people, even if they watch close to the match. Only those in the circle will know if the game is a fixed match of the games. Even some players will not know about that. That issue will still issue and if there are no people who act as whistleblowers, that issue will still remain hidden from the public.

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Fixed matches are real.
One Mafia member already wrote a book about that and it was said in the interview that he was given permission to write the book as long as other names will not be included or else it will be his life that will be on the line.

How does it work? Hell if we know. The secrecy of that is intact and all those who will get the information will be their customers only. Those who pay in exchange of the information given to them. If your friend received the leaked information it could be fake or not, you wouldn't know.
Other groups could be confusing the bettors to balance the bet.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 19, 2021, 03:46:37 PM

I hope he is really doing well (he must be very strong in betting, even if he spends money on various "insiders" he remains in profit). I hope this is not the case when a person embellishes his successes (hides his failures) because he takes this activity too seriously. I also have certain ideas that I want to try on real bets, but at the moment I am still testing them and do not want to risk real money.

I worked with this guy in the same organization, and every morning we drove to work in the same car. While I was trying to expand his understanding of cryptocurrencies he was telling me about betting and showing me his successful bets on his smartphone. If he was happy in the morning it meant he was able to increase his capital last night. This guy is the only person I know personally who makes good money through betting. I've never met anyone else like him.

Cool. You are very lucky to have such an acquaintance, at least you can learn from him a lot of applied information (like avoiding the reduction of limits that bookmakers apply to successful gamblers very often). In betting, such information is very valuable (due to the fact that you are confident in its source), despite the fact that everything can be found on the internet.

I did not find his information useful as I do not bet often due to the constant lack of time to analyze, read articles, etc. For the same reason he never got into cryptocurrencies.

Most probably because of that betting and gambling for me remains just a pastime and not a way to earn money, in pursuit of which many people lose more than they earn.

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Quote from: madnessteat on October 20, 2021, 04:50:42 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on October 19, 2021, 03:46:37 PM

I hope he is really doing well (he must be very strong in betting, even if he spends money on various "insiders" he remains in profit). I hope this is not the case when a person embellishes his successes (hides his failures) because he takes this activity too seriously. I also have certain ideas that I want to try on real bets, but at the moment I am still testing them and do not want to risk real money.

I worked with this guy in the same organization, and every morning we drove to work in the same car. While I was trying to expand his understanding of cryptocurrencies he was telling me about betting and showing me his successful bets on his smartphone. If he was happy in the morning it meant he was able to increase his capital last night. This guy is the only person I know personally who makes good money through betting. I've never met anyone else like him.

Cool. You are very lucky to have such an acquaintance, at least you can learn from him a lot of applied information (like avoiding the reduction of limits that bookmakers apply to successful gamblers very often). In betting, such information is very valuable (due to the fact that you are confident in its source), despite the fact that everything can be found on the internet.

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I have been hearing about fixed match in the past and I later found out that it really exist and I happen to be among the players for which a particular match is fixed I will choose not to play the match because my mind will not be at peace. I don't think players will be informed about whether the match is being fixed or not.

Its happening in most sports even on a top sports in the world, I believe there’s a fixed matches there and that’s where most of the team clubs make money. Players are well informed about it, maybe not all but I think the ace player knows this so he can throw the game not so obvious.

If you do bet, know the risk of that because your source might not be legit and you might lose much money because of that, don’t be greedy to bet on fixed matches.

it's interesting how risk management is important for gamblers as much as it is for traders, specially if they want to make money on the long run and not only spend it, I know some gamblers don't care too and just use it as a way to have fun, not seeking returns

Risk management for fixing matches is best performed by simply ignoring those sports that are well known to have that type of issue. Boxing at certain categories is one of them and even all are subject to possible fixing, some are much easier. e.g. large team sports are more difficult to fix. However, you can use it to your advantage if you are very knowledgeable on a certain sport.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 19, 2021, 08:40:35 PM

Obviously this is the worst way to bet.
As real as they may be... I won't deny it, despite being very susceptible to blows.
But the chances of winning are much smaller than choosing yourself and betting on the matches you want and that you know the teams better.
In addition of course to paying cheaper, because in these fixed bets a percentage ends up with the middleman.
There is no advantage, tell your friend to run away from it.

Betting in a fixed type of game will only be beneficial to those who get the legit score for fix match but to those who didn't know that they are betting on the fix match is totally unfair. It's a total small chance of winning to those bettors betting on a fair style and also to those got the leaked score but not sure if the source are legit or not, total kind of risk. However, regarding this matter it made me realize how could we know if the game is a fixed game or not?

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 19, 2021, 03:46:37 PM

I hope he is really doing well (he must be very strong in betting, even if he spends money on various "insiders" he remains in profit). I hope this is not the case when a person embellishes his successes (hides his failures) because he takes this activity too seriously. I also have certain ideas that I want to try on real bets, but at the moment I am still testing them and do not want to risk real money.

I worked with this guy in the same organization, and every morning we drove to work in the same car. While I was trying to expand his understanding of cryptocurrencies he was telling me about betting and showing me his successful bets on his smartphone. If he was happy in the morning it meant he was able to increase his capital last night. This guy is the only person I know personally who makes good money through betting. I've never met anyone else like him.

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There's a documentary series on Netflix right now called "Bad Sport" that did a great episode on fixed matches of ASU basketball games primarily by a player named Stevin 'Hedake' Smith. I was unfamiliar with the story and thought it was well done. Amazing how people can take advantage of others... He got himself in debt for a few thousand dollars and ends up throwing away a promising career in basketball so that some rich guy can make millions of dollar gambling. These are the stories you don't hear often about the desperation of people to get out of debt by any means necessary.

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Quote from: bakasabo on October 20, 2021, 02:13:05 AM

Fixed matches happens all the time. I think they are easily can be found in amateur tournaments or in minor leagues. Often all these games are represented in gambling "live" sports. They just fill the space between professional games. Or admin just fill the list of games with them just so that gambler has more options to bet.

For example, not many players give their best when they play football in league C against a team of 11 friends from a neighborhood. When the price is a diploma. Of course one team can "suddenly" lose if they know that someone made a bet on their opponent.

Were there instances that games are proven to be rigged? I know the speculation as I myself bet on sports and I believe it's happening, but how can we assure that in a certain league, there's a fixing of games happening although someone would say that he got some tip?

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Fixed matches happens all the time. I think they are easily can be found in amateur tournaments or in minor leagues. Often all these games are represented in gambling "live" sports. They just fill the space between professional games. Or admin just fill the list of games with them just so that gambler has more options to bet.

For example, not many players give their best when they play football in league C against a team of 11 friends from a neighborhood. When the price is a diploma. Of course one team can "suddenly" lose if they know that someone made a bet on their opponent.

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