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We have someone spreading Christian talk after some fine Kool-Aid. Pressing the ignore button will save this thread from disaster.

Back to the topic, this is actually awesome. I'm going to guess there are a lot of people who are going to be against it. This can cause problems like overpopulation.
Let's say that this thing becomes publicly available right now, how many people would there be on the Earth in 900 years (if there are no major catastrophes or anything)?
There would have to be some kind of restrictions or something unless people want serial killers to get out of prison after 5 life sentences (if they're still 100 years?).

Unfortunately that cant work. I didnt find the article i wanted to find because it claimed around 10 points or so why it wont be ever possible to get those persons back but i only found this video: http://bigthink.com/videos/why-cryogenics-is-bogus
That can't be true because they can't know that. Ask someone from the 15th century if we're ever going to be able to fly to the moon.   Roll Eyes

I see what you mean but the thing is that infos are lost. What is it worth if your brain is changed or damaged so far that you are like a child or something. And that only if they can heal the damage. Cells are broken and neurons damaged. And lost infos in there cant possibly be recreated since the info is nowhere stored.

So as long as they dont find a way to store the personality or develop time travel... it wont work i think.


We need to define what consciousness is first. Then find a way to copy it. Then find a way to transfer it. Then keeping someone's body in ice would be futile.




The most important part of "consciousness" is memory, without memory then you'd have no idea who you are, past experiences, and the like. Cryogenics at this point isn't that promising because of the degradation that occurs to the cells, but there are many other fields which are very likely(and already have had) to have huge advances in human longevity; organ transplants, bionanotechnology, bio-mechanical parts, stem cells etc.
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We have someone spreading Christian talk after some fine Kool-Aid. Pressing the ignore button will save this thread from disaster.

Back to the topic, this is actually awesome. I'm going to guess there are a lot of people who are going to be against it. This can cause problems like overpopulation.
Let's say that this thing becomes publicly available right now, how many people would there be on the Earth in 900 years (if there are no major catastrophes or anything)?
There would have to be some kind of restrictions or something unless people want serial killers to get out of prison after 5 life sentences (if they're still 100 years?).

Unfortunately that cant work. I didnt find the article i wanted to find because it claimed around 10 points or so why it wont be ever possible to get those persons back but i only found this video: http://bigthink.com/videos/why-cryogenics-is-bogus
That can't be true because they can't know that. Ask someone from the 15th century if we're ever going to be able to fly to the moon.   Roll Eyes

I see what you mean but the thing is that infos are lost. What is it worth if your brain is changed or damaged so far that you are like a child or something. And that only if they can heal the damage. Cells are broken and neurons damaged. And lost infos in there cant possibly be recreated since the info is nowhere stored.

So as long as they dont find a way to store the personality or develop time travel... it wont work i think.


We need to define what consciousness is first. Then find a way to copy it. Then find a way to transfer it. Then keeping someone's body in ice would be futile.


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Well I for one am not in the least interested in overstaying my time on earth, I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years, no matter how wide I stretch my imagination in terms of new tech/theories/possibilities/whatnot  Cheesy I can totally understand that some would find a gazillion things to do though  Smiley

That is awesome how you have experienced everything.

What parts of the world did you enjoy visiting the most? How many Asian countries did you get to visit?

Sorry I forgot all about this thread. Lol I can't tell if you're making fun or if you're serious  Cheesy Anyways no, I haven't experienced everything. I spent some time seeking thrills, in whatever form, like everybody else, new games, gadgets, some traveling and whatnot but it soon became obvious that I could never find closure with that lifestyle. That I could spend my whole life going from thrill to thrill and at the end I would've still not even scratched the surface of possible experiences. I'd have to be immortal and even then. It's a little like the dangling carrot in front of the donkey, you try all your life but never actually get there. The thing is awe can be distilled to its essence which is exactly the same in all awe-inspiring events. You only really have to experience it once and after that you've already learned all you can possibly learn from these events. Granted it might take different people a different number of experiences to get to that point and that's perfectly fine. This usually happens with age anyways.
To answer your question, trekking in the Himalayas and I've been to a few Asian countries not that many Wink

Adrenaline pumping thrills and gadget collecting with superficial people around you may create a void in some people's heart. Not saying it is your case though.


Others have experimented travelling millions of miles standing still...








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We have someone spreading Christian talk after some fine Kool-Aid. Pressing the ignore button will save this thread from disaster.

Back to the topic, this is actually awesome. I'm going to guess there are a lot of people who are going to be against it. This can cause problems like overpopulation.
Let's say that this thing becomes publicly available right now, how many people would there be on the Earth in 900 years (if there are no major catastrophes or anything)?
There would have to be some kind of restrictions or something unless people want serial killers to get out of prison after 5 life sentences (if they're still 100 years?).

Unfortunately that cant work. I didnt find the article i wanted to find because it claimed around 10 points or so why it wont be ever possible to get those persons back but i only found this video: http://bigthink.com/videos/why-cryogenics-is-bogus
That can't be true because they can't know that. Ask someone from the 15th century if we're ever going to be able to fly to the moon.   Roll Eyes

I see what you mean but the thing is that infos are lost. What is it worth if your brain is changed or damaged so far that you are like a child or something. And that only if they can heal the damage. Cells are broken and neurons damaged. And lost infos in there cant possibly be recreated since the info is nowhere stored.

So as long as they dont find a way to store the personality or develop time travel... it wont work i think.
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Well I for one am not in the least interested in overstaying my time on earth, I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years, no matter how wide I stretch my imagination in terms of new tech/theories/possibilities/whatnot  Cheesy I can totally understand that some would find a gazillion things to do though  Smiley

That is awesome how you have experienced everything.

What parts of the world did you enjoy visiting the most? How many Asian countries did you get to visit?

Sorry I forgot all about this thread. Lol I can't tell if you're making fun or if you're serious  Cheesy Anyways no, I haven't experienced everything. I spent some time seeking thrills, in whatever form, like everybody else, new games, gadgets, some traveling and whatnot but it soon became obvious that I could never find closure with that lifestyle. That I could spend my whole life going from thrill to thrill and at the end I would've still not even scratched the surface of possible experiences. I'd have to be immortal and even then. It's a little like the dangling carrot in front of the donkey, you try all your life but never actually get there. The thing is awe can be distilled to its essence which is exactly the same in all awe-inspiring events. You only really have to experience it once and after that you've already learned all you can possibly learn from these events. Granted it might take different people a different number of experiences to get to that point and that's perfectly fine. This usually happens with age anyways.
To answer your question, trekking in the Himalayas and I've been to a few Asian countries not that many Wink
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We have someone spreading Christian talk after some fine Kool-Aid. Pressing the ignore button will save this thread from disaster.

Back to the topic, this is actually awesome. I'm going to guess there are a lot of people who are going to be against it. This can cause problems like overpopulation.
Let's say that this thing becomes publicly available right now, how many people would there be on the Earth in 900 years (if there are no major catastrophes or anything)?
There would have to be some kind of restrictions or something unless people want serial killers to get out of prison after 5 life sentences (if they're still 100 years?).

Unfortunately that cant work. I didnt find the article i wanted to find because it claimed around 10 points or so why it wont be ever possible to get those persons back but i only found this video: http://bigthink.com/videos/why-cryogenics-is-bogus
That can't be true because they can't know that. Ask someone from the 15th century if we're ever going to be able to fly to the moon.   Roll Eyes
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You can also check out cryo preservation, where they store the body in very cold conditions for 100's of years and they revive the body after so many years, recently a little girl was preserved in cryo preservation by a company called Alcor.

Even one of the pioneers of bitcoins Hal Finney https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hal-2436 is preserved in cryo to be revived after 50 to 100 years



Unfortunately that cant work. I didnt find the article i wanted to find because it claimed around 10 points or so why it wont be ever possible to get those persons back but i only found this video: http://bigthink.com/videos/why-cryogenics-is-bogus
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I can imagine the outrage this would cause; given limited resources in a finite universe, coupled with the limits of time and pretty much universal demand, and the difference between rich and poor...yeah, that's a movie idea if I ever heard one, did someone make it yet?

Time with Justin Timberlake.

Really though check it out.. it is probably where we are going...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1637688/


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I can imagine the outrage this would cause; given limited resources in a finite universe, coupled with the limits of time and pretty much universal demand, and the difference between rich and poor...yeah, that's a movie idea if I ever heard one, did someone make it yet?

Time with Justin Timberlake.

Really though check it out.. it is probably where we are going...
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Gliese 832 c, for example, is described as a Planetary Class - warm superterran, Habitable class - mesoplanet, scoring a 0.81 on the Earth Similarity Index and it's only 16.1 ly away.  No need to reach (referring to my Star Trek Warp speed chart) Warp 1 for that.  We could make it there on an impulse cruise within a human lifespan!  Who's in?
 

Only 16 light years!   Wink

The human body can only accelerate so fast.  How would you like to spend 40 years (20 speeding up, 20 slowing down) pressed into your seat at maximum acceleration?  Remember we can't get anywhere near the speed of light - the more energy we apply the more gets converted to mass.

We have the technology to get fairly close to light speed (at least greater than 1/2 light speed) if scaled up.  Unfortunately, we don't currently have the resources to do it, despite the ability.
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I can imagine the outrage this would cause; given limited resources in a finite universe, coupled with the limits of time and pretty much universal demand, and the difference between rich and poor...yeah, that's a movie idea if I ever heard one, did someone make it yet?
Crude socioeconomic-hierarchy distinctions will be long forgotten by the time medical science truly defeats death.
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You can also check out cryo preservation, where they store the body in very cold conditions for 100's of years and they revive the body after so many years, recently a little girl was preserved in cryo preservation by a company called Alcor.

Even one of the pioneers of bitcoins Hal Finney https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hal-2436 is preserved in cryo to be revived after 50 to 100 years



Revelation 20:11-15:
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Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

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You can also check out cryo preservation, where they store the body in very cold conditions for 100's of years and they revive the body after so many years, recently a little girl was preserved in cryo preservation by a company called Alcor.

Even one of the pioneers of bitcoins Hal Finney https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hal-2436 is preserved in cryo to be revived after 50 to 100 years

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Well I for one am not in the least interested in overstaying my time on earth, I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years, no matter how wide I stretch my imagination in terms of new tech/theories/possibilities/whatnot  Cheesy I can totally understand that some would find a gazillion things to do though  Smiley

That is awesome how you have experienced everything.

What parts of the world did you enjoy visiting the most? How many Asian countries did you get to visit?


ObscureBean said: "I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years"

I believe your answer is withing the chosen nickname ObscureBean


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Is "Wilikon" the name brand of some kind of silicon carbide waterproof paper?

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It might very well be.

My nickname was created using multiple random online name generators... It does not mean or represent anything but this charming and oh so lovely character among us here.

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Well I for one am not in the least interested in overstaying my time on earth, I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years, no matter how wide I stretch my imagination in terms of new tech/theories/possibilities/whatnot  Cheesy I can totally understand that some would find a gazillion things to do though  Smiley

That is awesome how you have experienced everything.

What parts of the world did you enjoy visiting the most? How many Asian countries did you get to visit?


ObscureBean said: "I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years"

I believe your answer is withing the chosen nickname ObscureBean


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Is "Wilikon" the name brand of some kind of silicon carbide waterproof paper?

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Well I for one am not in the least interested in overstaying my time on earth, I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years, no matter how wide I stretch my imagination in terms of new tech/theories/possibilities/whatnot  Cheesy I can totally understand that some would find a gazillion things to do though  Smiley

That is awesome how you have experienced everything.

What parts of the world did you enjoy visiting the most? How many Asian countries did you get to visit?


ObscureBean said: "I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years"

I believe your answer is withing the chosen nickname ObscureBean


 Cool


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Well I for one am not in the least interested in overstaying my time on earth, I lost my sense of awe a long time ago and I'm not even old. I can't bear the thought of sticking around these parts for another 1000 years, no matter how wide I stretch my imagination in terms of new tech/theories/possibilities/whatnot  Cheesy I can totally understand that some would find a gazillion things to do though  Smiley

That is awesome how you have experienced everything.

What parts of the world did you enjoy visiting the most? How many Asian countries did you get to visit?
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We always forget science and new ideas are not locked in separate vacuums. For example: the invention of concrete, then the invention of the elevator, then the invention of reinforced concrete, then the invention of sky scrappers... All together took 2000 years...

Now what is 2000 years if we can live to a 1000 years? I don't believe no other scientific discoveries will be made in a 1000 years. Propulsion, cheap energy, new "impossible" materials, etc...

Don't forget: Even if you start the treatment of living up to 1000 years at let say 70, you would gain 30 years of youth for the first time. Then the progress and the numbers of years you'll ad up will be exponential. Just like Moore's law and so many other advances in human technology (besides the pyramids and other multiple ton monuments we have yet to know how to re build but that's for another thread...)


So a "lifetime" to reach another planet or for people to get on other places, low cost space building cities, etc, will take place at the same time people will try to push back death.









That EmDrive that everyone got excited about a few months ago may actually be a warp drive!






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There is an  animal which can live for ever and never die, it is the immortal jellyfish, they are biologically immortal, i don't think current science can do anything to crack the code of life and death, it is though an intresting subject which facinates by going more deeper, nice attempt by that person Smiley

There are few more handful of animal like this upon which multiple research and studies have been carried out.

Immortal jellyfish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii



This Wikipedia article almost could have been written by Robert Klein, or by someone who follows what he says - http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.com/.

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EDIT: Klein blog http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.ca/.
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Longevity just for the sake of it is unappealing. Our bodies age, nothing to stop that. Have you seen a 90 or 100 year old? Would you want to live 9 times longer? Even so, people aren't always so adaptable. You see older people already "lost" with tech, mainstream culture, etc, as they're in the mindset they were in decades ago. Imagine if those people (who are, likely, most of us too) lived a thousand years but we're stuck in their ways from centuries earlier.

Besides which, the chances of one reaching 120 are nearly minuscule. Till we see more reaching that plateau and exceeding it, why should we think this generation will wildly exceed it?

We can already do full hand transplants.

There seems to be (as of yet) no theoretical limitations for a full body transplant.  Give it a decade or two.

Probably the reason that Jade Helm and other police state operations exist is, it is the way that the super elite are trying to keep society from collapsing, so that investigations into longevity don't collapse along with it.

If scientific investigations are allowed to continue, and if the engineering of advanced scientific studies is allowed to expand, we will probably see methods for indefinite, healthy (no appearance of age) life coming into being. It seems that we are on the edge of finding this, both scientifically, and in our abilities to engineer it.

Reduced aging that allows long life, might exist in nature right now. If we can only dig it out and apply it...

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