It takes years to build a reputation and seconds to break it - page 7.

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Quote from: RokokGudangGaram on July 09, 2021, 12:09:35 PM

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Quote from: bitzizzix on June 25, 2021, 08:19:34 AM

Reputation can be damaged not only because of a scam but there are also those who want to bring down the gambling site or whatever for reasons of unacceptable big losses, mistakes from the site or themselves and also competition and so on.
this is where we have to be smart to judge if there are suspicious indications on every site that we follow and investigate the truth so as not to misjudge and also anticipate if it is a scam.

That's true. For me it is really a shame for someone that is accusing the casino of being scam even though it didn't even do anything from them. I understand the frustration but they shouldn't act as they've lost because of the casino. They chose to play there in the first place.

Unfortunately this is common as well, a player may get mad they lost a lot of money on that casino and even if it was completely fair they decide to accuse the casino of cheating, this is very common for those that practice martingale as they cannot believe they lost so many times in a row and they think it was impossible for them to do so, but they forget that the more you do something the higher the chances that something like this happens which means that they are accusing the casino of cheating because they did not even understood their own strategy.

Although there are instances that reputation of casinos are damaged due to exposure of the immoral acts and intentions of the regulators, there are also instances that their image are shattered because of wrong claims. It is indeed unfortunate that reputation is being tainted just because of some rants and accusations that casinos are not really at fault at but messages are being passed on and may linger on.

the veracity of claims can be seen by proofs and explanation. so if the player has weak proofs and just talking because he's butt hurt with his losses, that's for me is not a valid accusation towards the site. so you need to check the validity also of the claims. not all accusations are true. some stemmed from big losses and they couldnt accept it.
an established casino won't ruin their name by simple mistake.

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Quote from: South Park on July 09, 2021, 11:16:26 AM

Quote from: Eureka_07 on July 05, 2021, 01:49:42 PM

Quote from: bitzizzix on June 25, 2021, 08:19:34 AM

Reputation can be damaged not only because of a scam but there are also those who want to bring down the gambling site or whatever for reasons of unacceptable big losses, mistakes from the site or themselves and also competition and so on.
this is where we have to be smart to judge if there are suspicious indications on every site that we follow and investigate the truth so as not to misjudge and also anticipate if it is a scam.

That's true. For me it is really a shame for someone that is accusing the casino of being scam even though it didn't even do anything from them. I understand the frustration but they shouldn't act as they've lost because of the casino. They chose to play there in the first place.

Unfortunately this is common as well, a player may get mad they lost a lot of money on that casino and even if it was completely fair they decide to accuse the casino of cheating, this is very common for those that practice martingale as they cannot believe they lost so many times in a row and they think it was impossible for them to do so, but they forget that the more you do something the higher the chances that something like this happens which means that they are accusing the casino of cheating because they did not even understood their own strategy.

Although there are instances that reputation of casinos are damaged due to exposure of the immoral acts and intentions of the regulators, there are also instances that their image are shattered because of wrong claims. It is indeed unfortunate that reputation is being tainted just because of some rants and accusations that casinos are not really at fault at but messages are being passed on and may linger on.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on July 05, 2021, 01:49:42 PM

Quote from: bitzizzix on June 25, 2021, 08:19:34 AM

Reputation can be damaged not only because of a scam but there are also those who want to bring down the gambling site or whatever for reasons of unacceptable big losses, mistakes from the site or themselves and also competition and so on.
this is where we have to be smart to judge if there are suspicious indications on every site that we follow and investigate the truth so as not to misjudge and also anticipate if it is a scam.

That's true. For me it is really a shame for someone that is accusing the casino of being scam even though it didn't even do anything from them. I understand the frustration but they shouldn't act as they've lost because of the casino. They chose to play there in the first place.

Unfortunately this is common as well, a player may get mad they lost a lot of money on that casino and even if it was completely fair they decide to accuse the casino of cheating, this is very common for those that practice martingale as they cannot believe they lost so many times in a row and they think it was impossible for them to do so, but they forget that the more you do something the higher the chances that something like this happens which means that they are accusing the casino of cheating because they did not even understood their own strategy.

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Scamming is really normal in a big business, at first they will catch you attention and they will really do their best just to trust them and if they already know that there are already a lot of people that is trusting them and they already have the money that was invested for them then that would be the time for them to scam people, do not fall for it always do some research to avoid getting scam.

and they will even spend big amount of money just to get our trust , sometimes they will build the name for long time and then will break it just for short chances.

And also these happens upon desperation , when the gambling site is experiencing lowering income and they starts to feel the pressure of the business? then they will act inappropriately so they will still make money even if they lose their credibility .

I agree to this.

Most likely this will happen when a gambling site doesn't have any license, they could do anything illegal since for sure, the people they have used on their team are not even legit, so they have the guts to runaway whenever they feel to do so, like what you have said, when they are not earning good anymore.

But if a certain gambling site do have a licence and SEC registered, I guess their only option is just to shutdown their business if they are not making any good bankroll.

Cant denied that if your licensed or regulated, the users does have the chance if ever they would turn out to be a scam but since we are on crypto world then that wouldnt really give an assurance.
Come to think that there are even good gambling sites now that doesnt have license so that simply means that being legit doesnt really need nor necessarily to have license but having
one in a business is mostly like had some advantage when it comes to public positive impressions but not all the times though.
Reputation cant be build over night and it does require lots of years for you to build one.

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Quote from: Chato1977 on July 07, 2021, 04:38:25 AM

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Scamming is really normal in a big business, at first they will catch you attention and they will really do their best just to trust them and if they already know that there are already a lot of people that is trusting them and they already have the money that was invested for them then that would be the time for them to scam people, do not fall for it always do some research to avoid getting scam.

and they will even spend big amount of money just to get our trust , sometimes they will build the name for long time and then will break it just for short chances.

And also these happens upon desperation , when the gambling site is experiencing lowering income and they starts to feel the pressure of the business? then they will act inappropriately so they will still make money even if they lose their credibility .

I agree to this.

Most likely this will happen when a gambling site doesn't have any license, they could do anything illegal since for sure, the people they have used on their team are not even legit, so they have the guts to runaway whenever they feel to do so, like what you have said, when they are not earning good anymore.

But if a certain gambling site do have a licence and SEC registered, I guess their only option is just to shutdown their business if they are not making any good bankroll.

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That can't be said for every businesses, look at EA, they are notorious for making the games that they create become a pay to win kind of thing and despite their deplorable and scummy reputation, they are still doing great with their business. Some big companies that are too big to fall can't break easily especially if they are backed by powerful people. It indeed take years to build reputation but if you make a big enough company, you won't worry too much about that.

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Scamming is really normal in a big business, at first they will catch you attention and they will really do their best just to trust them and if they already know that there are already a lot of people that is trusting them and they already have the money that was invested for them then that would be the time for them to scam people, do not fall for it always do some research to avoid getting scam.

and they will even spend big amount of money just to get our trust , sometimes they will build the name for long time and then will break it just for short chances.

And also these happens upon desperation , when the gambling site is experiencing lowering income and they starts to feel the pressure of the business? then they will act inappropriately so they will still make money even if they lose their credibility .

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Quote from: Webetcoins on July 03, 2021, 02:42:21 AM

~ I don't think signatures and costly promotions define anything because if a casino wants to scam users they can still run some promotions and giveaways since they know they will scam a much bigger amount than what they are going to spend in the process. I hardly play at new casinos for the same reason, you just don't know what their plans are and how long they are going to operate legitimately.

There are exceptions, as always, but most of the time costy promos do mean serious intentions and orientation on the long-term operation. Gambling business is profitable, but you need a good starting capital to stay afloat in the early stages. Once you have it, it's better to run your business honestly and make good money with that instead of scamming people and be running from law enforcement.

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Scamming is really normal in a big business, at first they will catch you attention and they will really do their best just to trust them and if they already know that there are already a lot of people that is trusting them and they already have the money that was invested for them then that would be the time for them to scam people, do not fall for it always do some research to avoid getting scam.

We may not see much-established gambling casinos do exit scamming but we can see lot of accusations against each gambling site no matter how good their reputation but some casinos resolve it quickly and accept their mistake while some never resolve anything but they will keep dragging without paying the users. People also violated terms call gambling sites scammers when they lose their money so read the terms before playing and never gamble there if those terms are against your gambling activity.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on June 25, 2021, 08:19:34 AM

Reputation can be damaged not only because of a scam but there are also those who want to bring down the gambling site or whatever for reasons of unacceptable big losses, mistakes from the site or themselves and also competition and so on.
this is where we have to be smart to judge if there are suspicious indications on every site that we follow and investigate the truth so as not to misjudge and also anticipate if it is a scam.

It makes a lot of sense since some cases happen like this...

there are lots of scam claims going on on reputable gambling sites without proof and screenshots. or there are also competing sites that make false scam claims to bring down the reputation of the site. do not carelessly believe can be a wise choice at this time IMO

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on July 05, 2021, 01:49:42 PM

That's true. For me it is really a shame for someone that is accusing the casino of being scam even though it didn't even do anything from them. I understand the frustration but they shouldn't act as they've lost because of the casino. They chose to play there in the first place.

That kind of people who suddenly blames the casino that they are rigging their own games aren't or shouldn't be allowed to play because they cause unnecessary ruckus and in this case make others doubt that the casino is fair. Remember folks that casino isn't rigged but the games aren't on your side, because how can they make money if you are winning everytime. You go to the casino to be entertained and winning is just a bonus.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on July 05, 2021, 01:49:42 PM

Quote from: bitzizzix on June 25, 2021, 08:19:34 AM

Reputation can be damaged not only because of a scam but there are also those who want to bring down the gambling site or whatever for reasons of unacceptable big losses, mistakes from the site or themselves and also competition and so on.
this is where we have to be smart to judge if there are suspicious indications on every site that we follow and investigate the truth so as not to misjudge and also anticipate if it is a scam.

That's true. For me it is really a shame for someone that is accusing the casino of being scam even though it didn't even do anything from them. I understand the frustration but they shouldn't act as they've lost because of the casino. They chose to play there in the first place.

But we knew that there ar organized group inside forum and even outside that only Posting to ruin some gambling site reputation or to ask bribe so they will be silent .
We have seen tons of them attacking one site specially when this is new .

or others are puppet of competitive site that was being alarmed by the sites presence so they are acting fast for their players to retain.

I know that those are not documented but it is an obvious fact .

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This forum has so many reputable gambling sites that we do not have to worry if they will scam us because they build their reputation over the years and serve their members best. Every problem that the members have will be solved by them, but we need to be patient because they have many members and need to investigate every issue carefully. But no matter what reputable gambling sites we played, we can not protect our money if we do not control ourselves. And if you still worry about playing gambling on those sites, you can use little money.

Even reputed sites can cheat but I agree that most of the well-established ones are least likely to scam given their revenue and their brand. I have played at almost all the casinos that have a thread here at bitcointalk and I haven't been scammed by any casino. It might be just that I am lucky or maybe casinos don't see any value in scamming a small player like me. Whales must be the target even for scam casinos so the best way to avoid being cheated by a casino is to play small maybe.

No casino used to perform KYC when I first came to crypto gambling but now every site emphasizes more on KYC or at least wants you to enter your details even if you don't want to verify your ID yet. I miss the old primedice days when one could just enter a username, make an account and start playing without the fear of being asked for documents if they win big. I haven't played at PD since a while so unsure if they ask documents but I miss those days.

Good to see you do not get scam by any casinos here. Maybe that is because you played gambling for fun and did not have a big passion for winning big money. Besides that, the casino won't try to scam you if you are just playing with small money or just use the faucet from them. Playing with small money will be okay if you do not have a target to win some money. But I guess that many people are greedy to win big money from gambling.

Yes, I experienced seeing casinos do not require KYC, but that is a few years ago. Now, the casino is concerned about their members and wants to know who they are because some use too big money to play gambling.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on June 25, 2021, 08:19:34 AM

Reputation can be damaged not only because of a scam but there are also those who want to bring down the gambling site or whatever for reasons of unacceptable big losses, mistakes from the site or themselves and also competition and so on.
this is where we have to be smart to judge if there are suspicious indications on every site that we follow and investigate the truth so as not to misjudge and also anticipate if it is a scam.

That's true. For me it is really a shame for someone that is accusing the casino of being scam even though it didn't even do anything from them. I understand the frustration but they shouldn't act as they've lost because of the casino. They chose to play there in the first place.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 05, 2021, 12:57:04 AM

Controlling ourselves is actually the best solution for this. Heard some users actually blame some casinos when they tried to exclude themselves using the casino's exclusion program.

The reputation of the casino could still be affected no matter what because not all the people on the internet read the details of the gambler's protest. Most of them are just reading the thread title and judge by what is posted without looking if there is proof.

If there accusations against casinos they should always be with proof. I have read quite a few claims on the forum here that say their balance just disappeared, without showing any screenshot or balance statement. When reading these threads it feels a bit like they are just angry at the casino for losing their money when gambling. If a casino is not acting properly and maybe even scam some customers out of money we all need to know it and avoid the casino for the future. But just because we were unlucky we shouldn't try and sabotage the reputation of a casino.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 04, 2021, 10:57:21 PM

This forum has so many reputable gambling sites that we do not have to worry if they will scam us because they build their reputation over the years and serve their members best. Every problem that the members have will be solved by them, but we need to be patient because they have many members and need to investigate every issue carefully. But no matter what reputable gambling sites we played, we can not protect our money if we do not control ourselves. And if you still worry about playing gambling on those sites, you can use little money.

Even reputed sites can cheat but I agree that most of the well-established ones are least likely to scam given their revenue and their brand. I have played at almost all the casinos that have a thread here at bitcointalk and I haven't been scammed by any casino. It might be just that I am lucky or maybe casinos don't see any value in scamming a small player like me. Whales must be the target even for scam casinos so the best way to avoid being cheated by a casino is to play small maybe.

No casino used to perform KYC when I first came to crypto gambling but now every site emphasizes more on KYC or at least wants you to enter your details even if you don't want to verify your ID yet. I miss the old primedice days when one could just enter a username, make an account and start playing without the fear of being asked for documents if they win big. I haven't played at PD since a while so unsure if they ask documents but I miss those days.

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Quote from: Mauser on July 05, 2021, 01:24:04 AM

If there accusations against casinos they should always be with proof. I have read quite a few claims on the forum here that say their balance just disappeared, without showing any screenshot or balance statement. When reading these threads it feels a bit like they are just angry at the casino for losing their money when gambling. If a casino is not acting properly and maybe even scam some customers out of money we all need to know it and avoid the casino for the future. But just because we were unlucky we shouldn't try and sabotage the reputation of a casino.

That's really important and I often times search on google scam with the casino name and these fake complaints show up. For example, we all know sportsbet.io is legit as it can be but if you google sportsbet.io scam you will find a lot of threads linking to bitcointalk which might confuse a new player if he doesn't know how to differentiate between a real accusation and a fake one.

There are players who will lose money and try to bad mouth the casino/sportsbook to get their money back which doesn't work but does bring some bad reputation and may cost the site a few potential players because of these fake reports.

There are more and more fake reports for some reason now as compared to a few years back, maybe some competitor is paying these guys to create FUD against reputed sites.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 05, 2021, 12:57:04 AM

The reputation of the casino could still be affected no matter what because not all the people on the internet read the details of the gambler's protest. Most of them are just reading the thread title and judge by what is posted without looking if there is proof.

That is happening.

But regardless of what they see, if there's already some negative comments. They have to verify it first and check the legitimacy of the casino they are wanting to play.

That should always be the initiative that they need to do.

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Quote from: South Park on July 05, 2021, 11:28:09 AM

And the worst part is that in the example that you are giving you can still rebuild the house with enough time and effort but when it comes to your reputation this is not possible, once your reputation has being tainted there is not going back, you cannot start over, your reputation is going to follow you everywhere you go and this means that no player that is smart enough to make their due diligence before they gamble is going to choose a casino with such a bad reputation.
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People will always remember the bad things in you but not the good ones, once trust been broken its already hard to recover it. It will marks your name already if tagged scam. Due to competition of having many casinos people can easily get rid of those who already bad reputation and replace it with new ones pr old casinos that don't have red marks yet. So if a casino already build their name, they must maintain it.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on July 01, 2021, 03:29:25 PM

It's always easier to destroy than to build. It's the same everywhere. You can image how a man would take months and sometimes years of work and input it in building a house or perhaps acquire the house through taking a mortgage loan and using months of deduction with profit to pat it up and suddenly, could lose it within the twinkle of an eye. Either to an insubordinate child that sells the whole thing off as we have it in Africa often, natural disaster consumes it or its lost to some conflict.

Same happens to the trust built in either a company or amongst business associates. Worst of it is what happens in the crypto space where we remain anonymous to each other and our trust is all we can hope on in doing transactions. Luckily for us, we've got escrow for which we can confer upon some degree of trust but then, anything can happen and to that fact, our wallet becomes the closest thing to safety for our coins. In essence, you can't go all in on trust it could be destroyed either willingly at a targeted value or unwilling by some misplaced elements like scammers and unworthy employees.

And the worst part is that in the example that you are giving you can still rebuild the house with enough time and effort but when it comes to your reputation this is not possible, once your reputation has being tainted there is not going back, you cannot start over, your reputation is going to follow you everywhere you go and this means that no player that is smart enough to make their due diligence before they gamble is going to choose a casino with such a bad reputation.

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