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Napoli failed to used their opportunity well to achieve victory from Udinese home, because there was a lot of opportunity for their strikers to use to score goals from the first half but they missed used them that made the first half to ended up draw 0-0. Udinese players really stood on their ground to challenge Napoli in this match not to score more than 1 goal from the match, because their defense was functioning well and their midfield was very good to make the match difficult for Napoli, which they did to reduced the strength of Napoli in the second half. Many people thought that Napoli will going to maintain the one goal till the end of the match to achieve victory from Udinese, but it was a surprised strategy seen Udinese using extra time to equalized the goal 1-1 draw to share points with Napoli to frustrated their plan .
Actually, Napoli have played quite well. But unfortunately Napoli was careless at the end of the match. Udinese was also quite good at blocking every attack made by Napoli. And Udinese did not lose their enthusiasm to equalize until the last minute. And as a result, Udinese dramatically managed to equalize the score in the match. But I think if Udinese could have been braver in building attacks from the start then maybe they could have even scored an earlier equaliser. But Udinese players are often caught offside. A draw may be quite disappointing for Napoli fans but for Udinese fans this is a match result that is not too bad. Because they finally managed to get 1 goal in the added minute of time thanks to their persistence.
For me, the draw that Udinese played with Napoli yesterday night is a good result for Udinese. Napoli was the favorite to win against Udinese, but the match turned out to end in a draw. This draw will boost Udinese chances of escaping relegation if they can win two matches out of their three remaining matches in the league. A loss could have been bad for Udinese because it would have given them fewer chances to escape relegation this season.


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Calzona is very disappointed he just has lost his words,,

Udinese actually had a lot of chances in this match to score more goals. But they were unable to shoot on target. Great goal from Osimhen by the way. The defending was really bad at that time. He was almost free to score the goal. Osimhen did score another goal but it was ruled offside. And towards the end of the match, I thought Napoli would be able to get three points. But Udinese took advantage of some bad defending from Napoli and were able to get one point from this match. I like how Udinese are still fighting to get out of the relegation zone. They are two points behind Empoli.

By the way, if they are on the same points as Empoli they will actually be out of the relegation zone because they have a better goal difference.

About Napoli, it does not make much difference right now because they are going to finish towards the mid table anyway.
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De Rossi started it. He is trying to make Roma perform better than this and he knows if they want to keep racing in the top side of the Serie A or playing in the Champions League they will need to buy more and better players. While the budget for Roma is limited buy it seems De Rossi wants to hire Federico Chiesa.
Federico Chiesa is playing for Juventus but he couldn't show a good performance from himself with Allgeri, that's why maybe he agreed to leave. Juventus wants to extend the contract of Federico Chiesa until 2028 but some other teams like Roma are linked to this player.


AS Roma needs more signings if they intends to improve in their performance this season and we know everything comes with a price. The Seria A becomes tougher and we should just calmly comprehend the activities going on in the system. AS Roma signing Daniele De Rossi, was this a good decision from the board? Maybe yes or no but what I do know is, De Rossi is competent and doing his best in first season to bring out the best from AS Roma. As for Federico Chiesa, he's currently the best player Juventus and also Italy, he's skilled with the ball and have accomplished alot during his prime.
In my opinion, the players that have been brought in are much better, of all the lines that were brought in during the Morinho era, they were the players chosen by Morinho so it is not quite possible that As Roma will not be able to make changes, the big possibility is whether De Rossi will be able to bring As Roma to win the Serie  Next season, with the direction given by De Rossi, in my opinion, they will not be able to bring As Roma to the top 4 positions in the class, they often have difficulty in their own rhythm of play.
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its obvious roma has lesser chance for europa league or UCL this season. I remind you that if atalanta has 1 unplayed match. It means club can get three points as long as it will win the unplayed match. Roma shall have won all of remaining games to ensure it will have a chance to qualify for the europa league or UCL next season.
It's really sick for all of people who did support mourinho to leave from the club if roma will not able to get into the UCL or europa laegue.
It is very likely that Roma can take Atalanta position after the second leg of the European League competition is completed.
some people will ask why I say this but this is very fair for me with reasonable reasons if Roma will definitely fail to progress to the final round of the European league because the opponent they face is really very difficult to face and when Roma fails in the European league will definitely focus more on the remaining series A matches.
meanwhile, if Atalanta manages to get rid of Marseille, it will definitely pass the final round and will prioritize the European League title because if it loses its ticket to the European League next season it won't be a problem for Atalanta because if in the final round it can get the European League title, Atalanta will automatically get a ticket to UCL next season.

and that is the reason I say that Roma has a big chance of getting into the top 5 if Atalanta manages to qualify for the final round.
Both teams has same points now but Atalanta still have 1 postponed match and if Atalanta can win from that match then Atalanta will have 63 points which mean they will have 3 points above to Roma but don't mean Roma chances to finish at 5th place will be closed because Serie A still have 3 matches remaining before this season ended so everything is still possible to happend and my predictions is the team who will finish at 5th place probably will be determined at the end of this season so it's interesting to know whether it Roma or Atalanta

According to the schedules next weekend Roma will fight against Atalanta and this is good chances for Roma because if they can win from Atalanta then Roma will be taking over 5th place from Atalanta but both teams will be very busy this week because before this match they will playing at Europa League but it won't be easy to stole points from Atalanta because at home Atalanta quite strong and during this season Atalanta only lost 3 times for Serie A matches at home and both teams previously has been met at Roma home ground on January this year and they were playing draw so looking forward to see who is the winner of this match later but my prediction is Atalanta can able to beat Roma
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its obvious roma has lesser chance for europa league or UCL this season. I remind you that if atalanta has 1 unplayed match. It means club can get three points as long as it will win the unplayed match. Roma shall have won all of remaining games to ensure it will have a chance to qualify for the europa league or UCL next season.
It's really sick for all of people who did support mourinho to leave from the club if roma will not able to get into the UCL or europa laegue.
It is very likely that Roma can take Atalanta position after the second leg of the European League competition is completed.
some people will ask why I say this but this is very fair for me with reasonable reasons if Roma will definitely fail to progress to the final round of the European league because the opponent they face is really very difficult to face and when Roma fails in the European league will definitely focus more on the remaining series A matches.
meanwhile, if Atalanta manages to get rid of Marseille, it will definitely pass the final round and will prioritize the European League title because if it loses its ticket to the European League next season it won't be a problem for Atalanta because if in the final round it can get the European League title, Atalanta will automatically get a ticket to UCL next season.

and that is the reason I say that Roma has a big chance of getting into the top 5 if Atalanta manages to qualify for the final round.
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I am really sad to see that this De Rossi period of Roma and their improvement took so little and they suddenly started to be not that great again. I mean they played so well when he first came in, went up in positions, and now looking at it they are back to sixth place.

A team that could have been fourth and do so well, ended up being sixth because of the last few weeks and that is not really that great for them, I hope that they get better and they do not end up with losing much more points. Very few games left, I do not know how they could recover from this and I am fearing that we are going to end up with something that will take some time. I get that we are going to see them be better when De Rossi gets the transfers he wants, but not sure if they will be top four next season either.

The initial good start for DeRossi was provided by the calendar - three games in a row with teams from the very bottom of the standings. Then Roma really became better, at least more interesting - they scored a lot and conceded a lot. But the irony is that those who praised Mourinho's sacking suddenly realize that Roma are finishing the season worse than under him  Grin
Last season Roma finished in Serie A with 6th place and saved 63 points and currently Roma is also temporarily in 6th place with 60 points, maybe in the remaining matches they can still get points and finish in 5th place considering that they are still level with Atalanta.
Roma and Atalanta each have 60 points and this is good opportunity for Roma to finish better this season even though their performance is not that good with several defeats and draws.
It just that I think their bad performance occurred because the team was so focused on being able to perform optimally in the Europa League semifinals considering that their opponent was Leverkusen, but in the first leg they still lost at home.
DeRossi has worked as hard as possible but the reality is that they have to suffer quite bitterly, consecutive defeats and draws plus the defeat at home to oppose Leverkusen makes DeRossi considered very bad.
I don't know whether in the future he will remain Roma coach or if there is an option to change coaches, but there no harm in trying to stay in one full season.
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The initial good start for DeRossi was provided by the calendar - three games in a row with teams from the very bottom of the standings. Then Roma really became better, at least more interesting - they scored a lot and conceded a lot. But the irony is that those who praised Mourinho's sacking suddenly realize that Roma are finishing the season worse than under him  Grin

The high expectations on DeRossi was very alarming but I always wished the team can finish in a better place this season. A sack of a coach and a replacement for him should have collectively made the team finish in a better position than they were before. Mourinho was not a bad choice to me and his sack came as a surprise to me, so I think they should have let him be after a wonderful season with them last year. Even a champions league qualification could have been better. We wait to see how they end the season with three matches left to be played by them.

its obvious roma has lesser chance for europa league or UCL this season. I remind you that if atalanta has 1 unplayed match. It means club can get three points as long as it will win the unplayed match. Roma shall have won all of remaining games to ensure it will have a chance to qualify for the europa league or UCL next season.
It's really sick for all of people who did support mourinho to leave from the club if roma will not able to get into the UCL or europa laegue.
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De Rossi started it. He is trying to make Roma perform better than this and he knows if they want to keep racing in the top side of the Serie A or playing in the Champions League they will need to buy more and better players. While the budget for Roma is limited buy it seems De Rossi wants to hire Federico Chiesa.
Federico Chiesa is playing for Juventus but he couldn't show a good performance from himself with Allgeri, that's why maybe he agreed to leave. Juventus wants to extend the contract of Federico Chiesa until 2028 but some other teams like Roma are linked to this player.


AS Roma needs more signings if they intends to improve in their performance this season and we know everything comes with a price. The Seria A becomes tougher and we should just calmly comprehend the activities going on in the system. AS Roma signing Daniele De Rossi, was this a good decision from the board? Maybe yes or no but what I do know is, De Rossi is competent and doing his best in first season to bring out the best from AS Roma. As for Federico Chiesa, he's currently the best player Juventus and also Italy, he's skilled with the ball and have accomplished alot during his prime.
I think De Rossi directed it well. If Mourinho had stayed this year, maybe he wouldn't have been this good. The players also respect De Rossi and try to implement his tactics on the field. The more successful they are in this, the more likely they are to move up the ranks in the future. The leader in Serie A is clear, but the European race continues in the lower ranks.
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The initial good start for DeRossi was provided by the calendar - three games in a row with teams from the very bottom of the standings. Then Roma really became better, at least more interesting - they scored a lot and conceded a lot. But the irony is that those who praised Mourinho's sacking suddenly realize that Roma are finishing the season worse than under him  Grin
It's been a few months since de Rossi was hired to replace Mou. And indeed, Roma's performance has become better, although it has not been highly consistent, but at least on several occasions, they have been quite good and surprising. And they also managed to enter the semi-finals of the Europa League, even though they still lost the first leg against Leverkusen. But at least, this is quite a good achievement, considering how Roma performed at the start of the season until the end. It's really sad that Roma is even in the middle-clubs zone of Serie A.

Indeed, de Rossi cannot immediately change Roma into a top 3 club or above, because de Rossi's struggle has only been going on for a few months. And of course, their target is not that high, that's reality and quite logical.

And now, when Roma can finally be shifted again by Atalanta and return to 6th place, it certainly makes de Rossi worried about their performance and also their position in Serie A. Because there will definitely be more and more pressure being put on de Rossi, especially from the fans. , because he is the one who is responsible for Rome so far.
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De Rossi started it. He is trying to make Roma perform better than this and he knows if they want to keep racing in the top side of the Serie A or playing in the Champions League they will need to buy more and better players. While the budget for Roma is limited buy it seems De Rossi wants to hire Federico Chiesa.
Federico Chiesa is playing for Juventus but he couldn't show a good performance from himself with Allgeri, that's why maybe he agreed to leave. Juventus wants to extend the contract of Federico Chiesa until 2028 but some other teams like Roma are linked to this player.


AS Roma needs more signings if they intends to improve in their performance this season and we know everything comes with a price. The Seria A becomes tougher and we should just calmly comprehend the activities going on in the system. AS Roma signing Daniele De Rossi, was this a good decision from the board? Maybe yes or no but what I do know is, De Rossi is competent and doing his best in first season to bring out the best from AS Roma. As for Federico Chiesa, he's currently the best player Juventus and also Italy, he's skilled with the ball and have accomplished alot during his prime.
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I am really sad to see that this De Rossi period of Roma and their improvement took so little and they suddenly started to be not that great again. I mean they played so well when he first came in, went up in positions, and now looking at it they are back to sixth place.

A team that could have been fourth and do so well, ended up being sixth because of the last few weeks and that is not really that great for them, I hope that they get better and they do not end up with losing much more points. Very few games left, I do not know how they could recover from this and I am fearing that we are going to end up with something that will take some time. I get that we are going to see them be better when De Rossi gets the transfers he wants, but not sure if they will be top four next season either.

De Rossi started it. He is trying to make Roma perform better than this and he knows if they want to keep racing in the top side of the Serie A or playing in the Champions League they will need to buy more and better players. While the budget for Roma is limited buy it seems De Rossi wants to hire Federico Chiesa.
Federico Chiesa is playing for Juventus but he couldn't show a good performance from himself with Allgeri, that's why maybe he agreed to leave. Juventus wants to extend the contract of Federico Chiesa until 2028 but some other teams like Roma are linked to this player.

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Moreover, Atalanta still has to fight in the Europa League and Copa Italia, so their focus is still quite divided. And also, they need significant and consistently strong performance, so that they can really rise in position. And it's still quite interesting to see who will be in 4-6th place in Serie A until the end.
Atalanta already won their late match and now have 60 points as same as Roma but with better goal difference, +5 goals more than Roma, they jump to a fifth position. Atalanta have one extra match from a suspended match and it potentially can help them to make 3-point difference against Roma. Bologna have 4 points more than both Atalanta and Roma and they are leading in this race for a fourth position.
Interestingly, Atalanta is the only club in Serie that won this week from ranks 1 - 13, while most of the others were draws. And this really has a pretty good effect on Atalanta to improve their performance in the future. Because even though it is that good, Atalanta's performance must be much better if they want to take over Bologna's position. is this possible? Maybe, but it will depend on the next few matches that are almost over. Who knows, there might be various recklessness from other teams at this time.

Napoli failed to used their opportunity well to achieve victory from Udinese home, because there was a lot of opportunity for their strikers to use to score goals from the first half
As usual, this is not shocking and not surprising because we know how the ability and performance of Napoli so far after Spaletti leaves this club. It's really poor to know their decrease so far in Serie A. Whatever the condition, Napoli was the one holding Serie A title last season. But now, the era is gone.
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Napoli failed to used their opportunity well to achieve victory from Udinese home, because there was a lot of opportunity for their strikers to use to score goals from the first half but they missed used them that made the first half to ended up draw 0-0. Udinese players really stood on their ground to challenge Napoli in this match not to score more than 1 goal from the match, because their defense was functioning well and their midfield was very good to make the match difficult for Napoli, which they did to reduced the strength of Napoli in the second half. Many people thought that Napoli will going to maintain the one goal till the end of the match to achieve victory from Udinese, but it was a surprised strategy seen Udinese using extra time to equalized the goal 1-1 draw to share points with Napoli to frustrated their plan .
Actually, Napoli have played quite well. But unfortunately Napoli was careless at the end of the match. Udinese was also quite good at blocking every attack made by Napoli. And Udinese did not lose their enthusiasm to equalize until the last minute. And as a result, Udinese dramatically managed to equalize the score in the match. But I think if Udinese could have been braver in building attacks from the start then maybe they could have even scored an earlier equaliser. But Udinese players are often caught offside. A draw may be quite disappointing for Napoli fans but for Udinese fans this is a match result that is not too bad. Because they finally managed to get 1 goal in the added minute of time thanks to their persistence.
For me, the draw that Udinese played with Napoli yesterday night is a good result for Udinese. Napoli was the favorite to win against Udinese, but the match turned out to end in a draw. This draw will boost Udinese chances of escaping relegation if they can win two matches out of their three remaining matches in the league. A loss could have been bad for Udinese because it would have given them fewer chances to escape relegation this season.
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Atalanta managed to turn the game around after being down in the first half and won. Salernitana failed to stay in the league and were relegated. With this win, Atalanta managed to equalize the points with Roma and regain the 5th place, despite having a game less. It was important for them to win as the 5th place in the league has a chance to qualify for the Champions League.

Well Salernitana relegation was confirmed rounds ago and Atalanta victory kicked Roma from the 5th spot and they are menacing also Bologna position since technically they are only one point behind Bologna if we assume they are equal in number of games and winning the lacking match.
Napoli in the other hand helped a little Udinese with that point since the team is risking to be relegated.
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Atalanta managed to turn the game around after being down in the first half and won. Salernitana failed to stay in the league and were relegated. With this win, Atalanta managed to equalize the points with Roma and regain the 5th place, despite having a game less. It was important for them to win as the 5th place in the league has a chance to qualify for the Champions League.
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Another news, Thiago Motta is reportedly being targeted by Juventus. So, if Juventus loses in that match, it looks like the rumors that Juve wants to fire Allegri and replace him with Motta at the end of the season will come true.
I am aware of the rumors of the dismissal and Juventus wants Thiago Motta's services to handle Juventus for next season, but Thiago Motta is not the only one who is being targeted by Juventus management, here Juventus also has a second option if Thiago Motta refuses to handle Juventus and the candidate is Conte, but If Massimiliano Allegri is able to bring Juventus to win the Coppa Italia, it is likely that he will be given a new contract extension for one season. If he fails, his dismissal is certain to occur at the end of this season.

Even though, for example, Allegri was able to bring Juventus to the Coppa Italia trophy, but I think it would be more appropriate for Juventus to still appoint a new coach for next season. Because clearly, I think Allegri has failed at least in the last two seasons eventhough indeed, in reality Allegri has succeeded in makingJuventus able to compete in the top four. But still, the results are still in bad results and also,if the candidates are about Thiago Motta and also Conte then I think Juventus should still sack Allegri at the end of this season.

Because after all, it looks like Thiago Motta contract will end at the end of this season and so it will at least make it easier for Juventus to get Thiago Motta. Moreover, Thiago Motta is still relatively new in his coaching career but inreality, Thiago Motta has been successful with Bologna this season. Therefore, I think it is right that Juventus appoint Thiago Motta to be Juventus head coach for next season.
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I am really sad to see that this De Rossi period of Roma and their improvement took so little and they suddenly started to be not that great again. I mean they played so well when he first came in, went up in positions, and now looking at it they are back to sixth place.

A team that could have been fourth and do so well, ended up being sixth because of the last few weeks and that is not really that great for them, I hope that they get better and they do not end up with losing much more points. Very few games left, I do not know how they could recover from this and I am fearing that we are going to end up with something that will take some time. I get that we are going to see them be better when De Rossi gets the transfers he wants, but not sure if they will be top four next season either.

The initial good start for DeRossi was provided by the calendar - three games in a row with teams from the very bottom of the standings. Then Roma really became better, at least more interesting - they scored a lot and conceded a lot. But the irony is that those who praised Mourinho's sacking suddenly realize that Roma are finishing the season worse than under him  Grin
Rome was actually doing well. They suffered a lot of unexpected point losses at the beginning of the season. Naturally, in this unfortunate situation, everyone thought they could be better, because Mourinho had accustomed us all to this, but when this did not happen, the criticism focused on Mourinho. They gained good momentum when De Rossi arrived, but it was not enough for the rest of the league. They have to make a new structure for next year.
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The initial good start for DeRossi was provided by the calendar - three games in a row with teams from the very bottom of the standings. Then Roma really became better, at least more interesting - they scored a lot and conceded a lot. But the irony is that those who praised Mourinho's sacking suddenly realize that Roma are finishing the season worse than under him  Grin

The high expectations on DeRossi was very alarming but I always wished the team can finish in a better place this season. A sack of a coach and a replacement for him should have collectively made the team finish in a better position than they were before. Mourinho was not a bad choice to me and his sack came as a surprise to me, so I think they should have let him be after a wonderful season with them last year. Even a champions league qualification could have been better. We wait to see how they end the season with three matches left to be played by them.
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I don't think the draw against Juventus was fair for both teams. But if Roma were to secure the 3 points throughout the game, they would remain in the 5th position. Roma has dropped to 6th place due to the draw against Juventus, I don't know what is happening in their last three games, Roma's performance seems to become weak, they drew 2 and lost one against Leverkusen in the Europa competition. Roma has defeated AC Milan this season, I did not think they would have a problem against Juventus since their opponents drew their last 3 games. Roma made a lot of attempts to win the match but the victory was not on their side, they managed to secure one point, which is not good enough for the Champions League position.

Atalanta moved back to the 5th position, after making a comeback against Salernitana in the second half to score two goals, they have the advantage of goal difference to overtake Roma. If a Champions League position is not possible for Roma to get before the end of the season, I think they shouldn't lose their chances to participate in the next Europa competition, since they are already down with two goals against Leverkusen in the Semifinal.
In last three games, AS Roma difficult return to winning track actually after beating by Bayern Leverkusen in first leg of Europe League match, I think huge problem and get pressure for Daniele De Rossi had quit well performance at the early become Roma manager but loss opportunity reach top fourth position. Being draw against Juventus actually is not good result for Roma want reach top fourth position and make close points with Bologna,  current standings Roma have drop to 5th position place and Atalanta with one match remaining has chance to fight Champion League spot race with Bologna with four points remaining.

Atalanta will be huge pressure team for Bologna reaching top fourth position behind Roma, currently with four points remaining and Atalanta still has one match left get make three points against Fiorentina on postponed match just remaining 1 points left to reach Bologna position.

Roma has actually gone out of the top five positions. Atalanta has actually taken the fifth position of the table. Even though Roma and Atalanta are on the same points right now, Atalanta has a better goal difference and at the same time has played one match less compared to Roma. So now it is going to be very hard for Roma to actually get back to the fifth position in my opinion.

But Roma is actually going to play a match against Atalanta so I think they will definitely have a chance. But the problem is they are concentrating on the Europa League a lot and the match against Atalanta is going to be played two days after they will go against Leverkusen in the Europa League match. So things are not looking very promising for Roma.
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However, Atalanta also has a chance, so if they can consistently win, it is possible that Atalanta will have the opportunity to rise. but it just depends on how they are.

Moreover, Atalanta still has to fight in the Europa League and Copa Italia, so their focus is still quite divided. And also, they need significant and consistently strong performance, so that they can really rise in position. And it's still quite interesting to see who will be in 4-6th place in Serie A until the end.
Atalanta already won their late match and now have 60 points as same as Roma but with better goal difference, +5 goals more than Roma, they jump to a fifth position. Atalanta have one extra match from a suspended match and it potentially can help them to make 3-point difference against Roma. Bologna have 4 points more than both Atalanta and Roma and they are leading in this race for a fourth position.

Things start to be bad for Roma because with this result, even if they beat Atalanta in a direct match this weekend in Serie A, but if Atalanta win the suspended match, both clubs will have same total points but with 5-goal difference it will be a disadvantage for Roma.
Atalanta struggle is not over yet, friends, they still have three matches to face, which will be against Roma on May 13, Lecce on May 19 and Torino on May 26. If they are able to win the remaining matches, they will get 9 additional points which means there is a chance for Atalanta to take the top 4 positions in the standings.
Being in the top four of the standings is indeed the final goal for the Atalanta team this season, so they have to really show their good performance in each remaining match and be able to get full points so that their position is not shifted by the Roma team which is in sixth place in the standings at the moment, so I think There is still a possibility for Atalanta because if you look at the match that the Bologna team will play, they will have to face a tough team in Week 36, namely the Napoli team.
They have one match less than Atalanta and have passed Rome and placed 5th. They have 60 points and if they win the missing match, the point difference with Bologna will decrease to only 1 point. Bologna is having a very good season and they are trying hard to finish the league in the top 4. I hope we can watch their successful season together. I'm also hopeful for Atalanta, they can make it to the final for UEL.
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I am really sad to see that this De Rossi period of Roma and their improvement took so little and they suddenly started to be not that great again. I mean they played so well when he first came in, went up in positions, and now looking at it they are back to sixth place.

A team that could have been fourth and do so well, ended up being sixth because of the last few weeks and that is not really that great for them, I hope that they get better and they do not end up with losing much more points. Very few games left, I do not know how they could recover from this and I am fearing that we are going to end up with something that will take some time. I get that we are going to see them be better when De Rossi gets the transfers he wants, but not sure if they will be top four next season either.

The initial good start for DeRossi was provided by the calendar - three games in a row with teams from the very bottom of the standings. Then Roma really became better, at least more interesting - they scored a lot and conceded a lot. But the irony is that those who praised Mourinho's sacking suddenly realize that Roma are finishing the season worse than under him  Grin
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