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I would be surprised if Mike beats Jake. He is 60.  Would you bet if its on Stake?

Well damn, I'd be surprised too but the man is 60 and Jake is what? 27 or 28? That's a crazy age difference. Jake is basically like fighting an old father. I hate to see Mike fighting at this age, even if it's just an exhibition which is not really a serious match compared to professional bouts. Mike may had crazy boxing skill sets, but nothing beats age though all of it will deteriorate.  
Anyway, this is more about money though than being a sport. Purely an entertainment only. As per boxing fans, who wouldn't want to see Mike inside the ring again. Sports fans nowadays would love to see legends strapped in again after a long year of retirement and they are willing to pay a crazy amount to see it happen and so this kind of events happens. If anyone benefits this the most, that would surely be Jake Paul.
And to answer the question, NO I wouldn't bet in any exhibition matches. Simply because 1. It is not a serious fight and 2. They have their own set of rules which could be a little complicated sometimes.

1. Why do you think it is not a serious fight? People get punched in the face with full strength. Every clearly landed punch hurts.
2. What are you talking about? What is the difference or rules there will be in this fight? The fact that it is exhibition, they wont have 12 rounds and will have larger gloves does not change that fact that both it hurts to get punched in the face.

As to age that you have mentioned. Do you know that there are no former professional boxers? Even 60-70 grandpa who used to be a pro boxer can knockout most of amateur boxers. Search on youtube when young guys messed with retired old boxers and you would surprised that they still have skill and speed.

Has it been confirmed it's an exhibition though? I mean, I'm sure it will be but I'm not sure how exciting that would be for people as it might as well just be an open workout session if that's the case. Tyson's last exhibition against Roy Jones Jnr was pointless and it was basically a light sparring session and it looked like they were only doing body shots.

If this was an actual fight, who do you reckon would win. Opinion seems to be mixed from pundits. Half seem to think Jake would easily defeat Tyson given his youth, but the other half seem to think Tyson could and would still KO him. Mike still has power and they say power is the last to go from ageing fighters, but fitness wise I don't know how long Tyson's cardio would last and Mike could be gassed out within a round or so.

I dont know if this is going to be an exhibition fight or not, I just replied to Oasisman who said that exhibiton fight arent interesting. Indeed Tyson vs RJJ wasnt that interesting, but the same time Holyfield was knocked out cold during exhibition fight by Belfort in first round. My post was more like exhibition fights arent a warm-ups only Cheesy And even if they would wear headgear, even if this "isnt a serious fight", it hurts when Mike Tyson punches in the head. Of course Mikes cardio is not as Jakes, but would he really need many rounds to connect few heavy shots?
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It will be a crazy event, i mean, the age difference is huge, and that gap will make Mike the underdog, but we all know Mike Tyson is a true legend, and he knows how to fight, if he takes this fight seriously then he will try to destroy jake on each punch.

Another fact is the money involved in the event, with such crazy amounts the event could even be scripted, we know everyone has a price, and if Jake pays enough money to Mike to let him win, then it will happen.

I think so too, he still has the concepts and technique. He knows what to do there and has a lot of experience. If it really is a real fight and not an exhibition for both to earn loads of money, it will be something very equal.

I think it will be scripted, and with the way Mike Tyson is promoting it, I mean we have seen videos of him circulating and doing the training as if he is going to fight for the HW belt. So I have doubts in this fight and it could really be scripted.

And with the money involved, they could really play it out for the fans and hype the fight. Mike is going to be 58 years old fight night, and so even if he trains a lot his body might be telling him otherwise, in my opinion. We all love Mike Tyson, but not sure if this is the best thing for him.
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It will be a crazy event, i mean, the age difference is huge, and that gap will make Mike the underdog, but we all know Mike Tyson is a true legend, and he knows how to fight, if he takes this fight seriously then he will try to destroy jake on each punch.

Another fact is the money involved in the event, with such crazy amounts the event could even be scripted, we know everyone has a price, and if Jake pays enough money to Mike to let him win, then it will happen.

I think so too, he still has the concepts and technique. He knows what to do there and has a lot of experience. If it really is a real fight and not an exhibition for both to earn loads of money, it will be something very equal.
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Age gap here is 30 where as Foreman on his win was a gap of 19 and a world record in that respect along with the others.
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Tho Mike Tyson is old I don't know if he still fit and do best like it used to be

You can summarize the fight up on that key point really.  Nobody is going to allow a fight that will damage an old man like Tyson, I hate to call him that because Im sure he'll teach me a lesson easily but the medical aspect will dominate contracts and so the manner in which the fight is conducted.  The essence of the fight will be safety over any other factor because they will get sued if anyone gets hurt in a long-term way; most competitive championship fights where death is still a possible outcome are regulated by a medical requirement for fitness. 

They wont be pressing this fight too much in any extreme way because just the age alone brings forward medical concerns, they want a show they dont want a large liability from actual injuries that wont heal or a bad bleed in some way.   Its something to consider the fight will go ahead on a show basis for sure imo.


George Foreman is probably a good comparison, last fought at 48 though he did have $10m lined up for a return fight after that each in a couple attempts to re-enter the ring, with each fight failing to go through:
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Foreman said he had no plans to resume his career as a boxer, but then announced in February 2004 that he was training for one more comeback fight to demonstrate that the age of 55
Since he made $138m just from the grill, even 10m imo wasnt worth the risk of damage to his health I think age played a part despite his success at becoming the oldest ever heavy weight world champion.
agreed with all your statement tbh this fight is just probably gonna be an entertainment or some sorts not gonna be a real fight we know at such age its already too old for this thing.
but I guess it indeed attract the attention even of many non boxer fans they are excited to watch this so its gonna be generating good money for mike i presume that why he agreed with this in the first place.
this guy jake paul is really good at capitalizing the hate on him tbh from being overly hated as a youtuber now he just want to sweep all them money coming from his haters that willing to see his ass got whooped by some old man when it comes to skill i have no doubt that mike tyson is still good enough to beat the ass off some amateur, we all know he reached this fame for a reason.
hopefully there's nothing happening that could risk his well being but i will definitely watch this show for the sake of mike beating the f out of jake paul.
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Age gap here is 30 where as Foreman on his win was a gap of 19 and a world record in that respect along with the others.
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Tho Mike Tyson is old I don't know if he still fit and do best like it used to be

You can summarize the fight up on that key point really.  Nobody is going to allow a fight that will damage an old man like Tyson, I hate to call him that because Im sure he'll teach me a lesson easily but the medical aspect will dominate contracts and so the manner in which the fight is conducted.  The essence of the fight will be safety over any other factor because they will get sued if anyone gets hurt in a long-term way; most competitive championship fights where death is still a possible outcome are regulated by a medical requirement for fitness.  

They wont be pressing this fight too much in any extreme way because just the age alone brings forward medical concerns, they want a show they dont want a large liability from actual injuries that wont heal or a bad bleed in some way.   Its something to consider the fight will go ahead on a show basis for sure imo.


George Foreman is probably a good comparison, last fought at 48 though he did have $10m lined up for a return fight after that each in a couple attempts to re-enter the ring, with each fight failing to go through:
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Foreman said he had no plans to resume his career as a boxer, but then announced in February 2004 that he was training for one more comeback fight to demonstrate that the age of 55
Since he made $138m just from the grill, even 10m imo wasnt worth the risk of damage to his health I think age played a part despite his success at becoming the oldest ever heavy weight world champion.
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If this fight is legitimate then even at 57, I think Tyson would KO Fury inside 2 or 3 rounds.

Jake Paul enjoys cherry picking opponents, he even lost to Tommy Fury who is mediocre as hell. I have a feeling Paul probably has a deal with Tyson to not go too hard on him. I mean come on, one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time, even at 57 would destroy this Disney Club guy in a fight. Let’s see what happens.

On his prime maybe yes he would provably knock out Fury if there's a chance that both fighters will meet but at current situation where Tyson is 57 maybe the case is different. But I still believe Tyson will win if we base on his experience for sure he can do that he will not be called as a boxing legend for nothing.

Also expect Paul will cherry pick his opponent since that guy provably doesn't want to get a disappointing loss and he will grab those famous opponent that he think he can take advantage with. But as he pick Tyson and the guy is capable to knock him off for sure he receive heavy punch of true legend. I'm not expecting this fight to be intense but I'm still curious to watch how Tyson performs in the ring.
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It will be a crazy event, i mean, the age difference is huge, and that gap will make Mike the underdog, but we all know Mike Tyson is a true legend, and he knows how to fight, if he takes this fight seriously then he will try to destroy jake on each punch.

Another fact is the money involved in the event, with such crazy amounts the event could even be scripted, we know everyone has a price, and if Jake pays enough money to Mike to let him win, then it will happen.
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If this fight is legitimate then even at 57, I think Tyson would KO Fury inside 2 or 3 rounds.

Jake Paul enjoys cherry picking opponents, he even lost to Tommy Fury who is mediocre as hell. I have a feeling Paul probably has a deal with Tyson to not go too hard on him. I mean come on, one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time, even at 57 would destroy this Disney Club guy in a fight. Let’s see what happens.
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I would be surprised if Mike beats Jake. He is 60.  Would you bet if its on Stake?

Well damn, I'd be surprised too but the man is 60 and Jake is what? 27 or 28? That's a crazy age difference. Jake is basically like fighting an old father. I hate to see Mike fighting at this age, even if it's just an exhibition which is not really a serious match compared to professional bouts. Mike may had crazy boxing skill sets, but nothing beats age though all of it will deteriorate.  
Anyway, this is more about money though than being a sport. Purely an entertainment only. As per boxing fans, who wouldn't want to see Mike inside the ring again. Sports fans nowadays would love to see legends strapped in again after a long year of retirement and they are willing to pay a crazy amount to see it happen and so this kind of events happens. If anyone benefits this the most, that would surely be Jake Paul.
And to answer the question, NO I wouldn't bet in any exhibition matches. Simply because 1. It is not a serious fight and 2. They have their own set of rules which could be a little complicated sometimes.

1. Why do you think it is not a serious fight? People get punched in the face with full strength. Every clearly landed punch hurts.
2. What are you talking about? What is the difference or rules there will be in this fight? The fact that it is exhibition, they wont have 12 rounds and will have larger gloves does not change that fact that both it hurts to get punched in the face.

As to age that you have mentioned. Do you know that there are no former professional boxers? Even 60-70 grandpa who used to be a pro boxer can knockout most of amateur boxers. Search on youtube when young guys messed with retired old boxers and you would surprised that they still have skill and speed.

Has it been confirmed it's an exhibition though? I mean, I'm sure it will be but I'm not sure how exciting that would be for people as it might as well just be an open workout session if that's the case. Tyson's last exhibition against Roy Jones Jnr was pointless and it was basically a light sparring session and it looked like they were only doing body shots.

If this was an actual fight, who do you reckon would win. Opinion seems to be mixed from pundits. Half seem to think Jake would easily defeat Tyson given his youth, but the other half seem to think Tyson could and would still KO him. Mike still has power and they say power is the last to go from ageing fighters, but fitness wise I don't know how long Tyson's cardio would last and Mike could be gassed out within a round or so.

It's not that clear, there are reports saying that they will wear a head gear, and then reports saying that they're not. And then it will be a pro boxing rules, however, Tyson hasn't been professionally boxer for almost 20 years so I don't know if there will be a sanctioning body or a state like Las Vegas that will give Tyson the license to box.

So for now it's not yet clear, but I do hope that it will be no head gear and boxing rules. Jake Paul talks about wanting to be a pro boxer. So here is the chance for him to proved that he can take a old Mike Tyson.
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Would you bet if its on Stake?
The bookie is not important since I wouldn't bet at all. I will just consider this as for pure entertainment and not for competition so there's no point in risking some money over a has been and a wannabe.

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Has this been accepted by both parties though like did they do an agreement already or something like that? It seems kind of odd to me that there's not much press in this fight as this like an exhibition match right?
It wouldn't be announced by Netflix if it wasn't agreed upon https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/jake-paul-vs-mike-tyson-live-release-date-news

No interviews yet but here's a teasers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VLCOThWl2g
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The number one thing about Tyson as I understand it was the technique he was gifted at an early age by a teacher who never even lived to see his story and success play out but thats how early he was taught to move right and defend right.    At the tail end of his years now I dont think he has forgot to move right where as Jake Paul probably never learnt.    Sure a younger man has advantages but if you play your advantage wrong then nothing can help you out of making a wrong move.

Cant believe that even as a show match this would happen but congratulations to both of them if they pull it off and make enough money to be satisfied with the result no matter what.  I thought it was all just a hype based rumor really but I can believe its profitable for sure to play out something, an actual honest fight not sure but show match covers many possibilities.

I mean to be fair he did say he hated Cus for how he taught him to fight with hate. The biggest (mutually beneficial) thing that Cus probably did for Tyson was solidify peek-a-boo. And that only really worked because Tyson's lower body and back were/are absolutely massive. People always doubted if enough power would come out of punches when your hands are right next to your cheeks, but because Tyson literally had the force of probably a young silverback or something, it just worked. If you watch his training videos, he's still moving at crazy speed and packing a bunch of power in his punches. I don't think this one will end in a TKO, it's gotta be a KO and either Tyson gets worn out from Jake's movement/stamina or Jake just gets hit with a nasty one and is out.
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If we're talking about how animal Mike Tyson is back then, I'd say that he's got a high chance of defeating Jake Paul but then again he's old so we'll have to factor in that immutable fact that he's not going to be as strong as he is back then, he's like an old tiger, he can still definitely kill you but it's already close to death's door and it's easily tired out so in this match it's likely that Jake Paul will just do some evasive maneuvers to tire out Mike and either that would go in his favor or Mike will do something about it since he's more experienced and he knows how to deal with it one way or another (Tyson v. Holyfield).

Has this been accepted by both parties though like did they do an agreement already or something like that? It seems kind of odd to me that there's not much press in this fight as this like an exhibition match right?
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Has it been confirmed it's an exhibition though? I mean, I'm sure it will be but I'm not sure how exciting that would be for people as it might as well just be an open workout session if that's the case. Tyson's last exhibition against Roy Jones Jnr was pointless and it was basically a light sparring session and it looked like they were only doing body shots.

If this was an actual fight, who do you reckon would win. Opinion seems to be mixed from pundits. Half seem to think Jake would easily defeat Tyson given his youth, but the other half seem to think Tyson could and would still KO him. Mike still has power and they say power is the last to go from ageing fighters, but fitness wise I don't know how long Tyson's cardio would last and Mike could be gassed out within a round or so.
He has some stamina problems even into his prime days then how much more @60? For sure if this one would be dragged too long then we might be seeing that much more faster that gassing out.
When it comes to age then there would really be no doubt that there's a huge disadvantage on here but i do agree on what most people been saying on here that when it comes to power then
i would say that i do agree or something that still with him but of course it wouldnt be something that will really be the same when he's still young.
This fight could really be considered as exhibition even considering fighting a retired boxer then it would be considered to be this way.

Some do have always that negative thoughts about these exhibition fights on which this is something becoming a trend. Well, it is what it is, we arent that forced to
buy those tickets and watch.

In the videos I have seen, Mike seems to point out that it's a serious boxing match where he is sparring with someone and preparing for the fight. Kinda a normal way to sell a fight. Of course, some of us will believe it's a legit real fight but at his age.

I have seen my father struggle to get up from a chair at this age, I have to move his chair next to a pole so he could hold it to get up. This is a man who rides a horse til 50. But once a person rests for a year or two, it's hard to get back to his old habits. Let alone Mike winning against a huge 27-year-old.

I hope Mike consults his physician and his insurance guy.

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Has it been confirmed it's an exhibition though? I mean, I'm sure it will be but I'm not sure how exciting that would be for people as it might as well just be an open workout session if that's the case. Tyson's last exhibition against Roy Jones Jnr was pointless and it was basically a light sparring session and it looked like they were only doing body shots.

If this was an actual fight, who do you reckon would win. Opinion seems to be mixed from pundits. Half seem to think Jake would easily defeat Tyson given his youth, but the other half seem to think Tyson could and would still KO him. Mike still has power and they say power is the last to go from ageing fighters, but fitness wise I don't know how long Tyson's cardio would last and Mike could be gassed out within a round or so.
He has some stamina problems even into his prime days then how much more @60? For sure if this one would be dragged too long then we might be seeing that much more faster that gassing out.
When it comes to age then there would really be no doubt that there's a huge disadvantage on here but i do agree on what most people been saying on here that when it comes to power then
i would say that i do agree or something that still with him but of course it wouldnt be something that will really be the same when he's still young.
This fight could really be considered as exhibition even considering fighting a retired boxer then it would be considered to be this way.

Some do have always that negative thoughts about these exhibition fights on which this is something becoming a trend. Well, it is what it is, we arent that forced to
buy those tickets and watch.
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I would be surprised if Mike beats Jake. He is 60.  Would you bet if its on Stake?

Well damn, I'd be surprised too but the man is 60 and Jake is what? 27 or 28? That's a crazy age difference. Jake is basically like fighting an old father. I hate to see Mike fighting at this age, even if it's just an exhibition which is not really a serious match compared to professional bouts. Mike may had crazy boxing skill sets, but nothing beats age though all of it will deteriorate.  
Anyway, this is more about money though than being a sport. Purely an entertainment only. As per boxing fans, who wouldn't want to see Mike inside the ring again. Sports fans nowadays would love to see legends strapped in again after a long year of retirement and they are willing to pay a crazy amount to see it happen and so this kind of events happens. If anyone benefits this the most, that would surely be Jake Paul.
And to answer the question, NO I wouldn't bet in any exhibition matches. Simply because 1. It is not a serious fight and 2. They have their own set of rules which could be a little complicated sometimes.

1. Why do you think it is not a serious fight? People get punched in the face with full strength. Every clearly landed punch hurts.
2. What are you talking about? What is the difference or rules there will be in this fight? The fact that it is exhibition, they wont have 12 rounds and will have larger gloves does not change that fact that both it hurts to get punched in the face.

As to age that you have mentioned. Do you know that there are no former professional boxers? Even 60-70 grandpa who used to be a pro boxer can knockout most of amateur boxers. Search on youtube when young guys messed with retired old boxers and you would surprised that they still have skill and speed.

Has it been confirmed it's an exhibition though? I mean, I'm sure it will be but I'm not sure how exciting that would be for people as it might as well just be an open workout session if that's the case. Tyson's last exhibition against Roy Jones Jnr was pointless and it was basically a light sparring session and it looked like they were only doing body shots.

If this was an actual fight, who do you reckon would win. Opinion seems to be mixed from pundits. Half seem to think Jake would easily defeat Tyson given his youth, but the other half seem to think Tyson could and would still KO him. Mike still has power and they say power is the last to go from ageing fighters, but fitness wise I don't know how long Tyson's cardio would last and Mike could be gassed out within a round or so.
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It is doing it's job and garnering attention and deny it or not, its getting us commenting on the subject whether we like to admit it or not.
You can't saw it isn't fascinating to debate about if it is right or wrong.
One youtuber which sounds like an AI voicechanger type bot account had a video I watched yesterday. Well due to Joe Rogan was mentioned in the title yet barely had any footage between him and Paul in the video.

Some points to get you thinking about this fight, a devolution of the sport of boxing?
Perhaps. But entertaining to ponder about.
Joe Rogan BRUTALLY WARNS Jake Paul Of Fighting Mike Tyson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGGyM_2PsNg

This seems to be going in through the motions as there is a clip out there where Iron Mike is back into training.
Yes, it did already garner the attention of anyone in sports, not just in boxing, as this is being discussed already.

a. It's just a question on how Mike Tyson is fit at 58 years of age. Will this affect his legacy as of the greatest in the HW division? Although is career has been a lots of up and down but he is considered one of the legends already. So him accepting this fight against a youtuber could really affected is legacy in my opinion specially for boxing purist.

b. Jake Paul is small for a HW, as far as I know he is a CW, so this could be a mismatch for Mike Tyson. But he has the youth advantage, but he should still be careful as Mike could still carry that power even at this age.
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It is doing it's job and garnering attention and deny it or not, its getting us commenting on the subject whether we like to admit it or not.
You can't saw it isn't fascinating to debate about if it is right or wrong.
One youtuber which sounds like an AI voicechanger type bot account had a video I watched yesterday. Well due to Joe Rogan was mentioned in the title yet barely had any footage between him and Paul in the video.

Some points to get you thinking about this fight, a devolution of the sport of boxing?
Perhaps. But entertaining to ponder about.
Joe Rogan BRUTALLY WARNS Jake Paul Of Fighting Mike Tyson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGGyM_2PsNg

This seems to be going in through the motions as there is a clip out there where Iron Mike is back into training.
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I would be surprised if Mike beats Jake. He is 60.  Would you bet if its on Stake?

Well damn, I'd be surprised too but the man is 60 and Jake is what? 27 or 28? That's a crazy age difference. Jake is basically like fighting an old father. I hate to see Mike fighting at this age, even if it's just an exhibition which is not really a serious match compared to professional bouts. Mike may had crazy boxing skill sets, but nothing beats age though all of it will deteriorate. 
Anyway, this is more about money though than being a sport. Purely an entertainment only. As per boxing fans, who wouldn't want to see Mike inside the ring again. Sports fans nowadays would love to see legends strapped in again after a long year of retirement and they are willing to pay a crazy amount to see it happen and so this kind of events happens. If anyone benefits this the most, that would surely be Jake Paul.
And to answer the question, NO I wouldn't bet in any exhibition matches. Simply because 1. It is not a serious fight and 2. They have their own set of rules which could be a little complicated sometimes.

1. Why do you think it is not a serious fight? People get punched in the face with full strength. Every clearly landed punch hurts.
2. What are you talking about? What is the difference or rules there will be in this fight? The fact that it is exhibition, they wont have 12 rounds and will have larger gloves does not change that fact that both it hurts to get punched in the face.

As to age that you have mentioned. Do you know that there are no former professional boxers? Even 60-70 grandpa who used to be a pro boxer can knockout most of amateur boxers. Search on youtube when young guys messed with retired old boxers and you would surprised that they still have skill and speed.
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I would be surprised if Mike beats Jake. He is 60.  Would you bet if its on Stake?

Well damn, I'd be surprised too but the man is 60 and Jake is what? 27 or 28? That's a crazy age difference. Jake is basically like fighting an old father. I hate to see Mike fighting at this age, even if it's just an exhibition which is not really a serious match compared to professional bouts. Mike may had crazy boxing skill sets, but nothing beats age though all of it will deteriorate. 
Anyway, this is more about money though than being a sport. Purely an entertainment only. As per boxing fans, who wouldn't want to see Mike inside the ring again. Sports fans nowadays would love to see legends strapped in again after a long year of retirement and they are willing to pay a crazy amount to see it happen and so this kind of events happens. If anyone benefits this the most, that would surely be Jake Paul.
And to answer the question, NO I wouldn't bet in any exhibition matches. Simply because 1. It is not a serious fight and 2. They have their own set of rules which could be a little complicated sometimes.
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He just beat Ryan Bourland recently who looks like not willing to fight and Jake is up again for another.
They should call this a fight but an exhibition but believe it or not is happening. You think Mike is done after Roy Jones but Jake wants to pull him again for he just needs recognition from the boxing community.  

I would be surprised if Mike beats Jake. He is 60.  Would you bet if its on Stake?

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Jake Paul is set to fight former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson in a boxing match that will be livestreamed on Netflix.

The bout is scheduled to take place on July 20 at the AT&T Stadium in Texas and will be available to all Netflix subscribers. Additional information, including the co-main event and undercards, will be announced at a later date. It is being produced in a partnership between Netflix and Paul’s and Nakisa Bidarian’s Most Valuable Promotions (MVP).

This will not be the first time Paul and Tyson have appeared on a boxing card together. Paul fought in the co-main event of the pay-per-view that saw Tyson fight an exhibition match against Roy Jones Jr. in 2020, which was Tyson’s first boxing match since 2006. Paul defeated former NBA player Nate Robinson via knockout in the second round in what was Paul’s second professional boxing match.

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jake-paul-mike-tyson-fight-netflix-1235932856/

Jake is all about making the cake. He will take the fall for Mike Tyson to keep his reputation for a big pile of cash because it'll be better for huge endorsement deals/ad revenue and things like that- that Jake will get cut into perhaps- this is just my hypothesis of what will happen lol, he has done that before in his previous fights
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