Those with short memories, and trolls, forget that I have also given away over 15,000 bitcoins through various developer bounties.
I never knew, and tbh you were starting to piss me off. I feel better nao.
Topic: jgarzik goes berzerk in #bitcoin-dev, wtf? (Read 28980 times)
I never knew, and tbh you were starting to piss me off. I feel better nao.
Those with short memories, and trolls, forget that I have also given away over 15,000 bitcoins through various developer bounties.
I personnally confirm 5828 BTC received from jgarzik. You would be commited too, possibly even more than they are, if you are sitting on 100k+ Bitcoins that you mined as early adoptor or bought at 10000000:1 ratio.
If you think this is true of either all or a majority of bitcoin-qt devs you're a loony.
Pretty much. But just to put some facts on the table,
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Ever since getting involved in bitcoin, it has been my goal to actually spend my bitcoins, and buy more on the open market as needed. That helps stimulate and build the bitcoin economy.
Those with short memories, and trolls, forget that I have also given away over 15,000 bitcoins through various developer bounties.
You would be commited too, possibly even more than they are, if you are sitting on 100k+ Bitcoins that you mined as early adoptor or bought at 10000000:1 ratio.
If you think this is true of either all or a majority of bitcoin-qt devs you're a loony.
Agreed, but it's true for the majority of people on the board of THE foundation.
You would be commited too, possibly even more than they are, if you are sitting on 100k+ Bitcoins that you mined as early adoptor or bought at 10000000:1 ratio.
If you think this is true of either all or a majority of bitcoin-qt devs you're a loony.
Not judging, just thought I'd point to a post by jgarzik on reddit regarding the mentioning of kiddie porn in this article because it might be relevant here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/14lzyw/the_money2020_conference_and_the_future_of_finance
You might be impressed with their coding skills or whatever, but their actions reveal they are just ordinary scared and corruptable humans, which is serious disadvantage when it comes to world-changing project.
I'm not impressed with their coding skills, I'm impressed by their commitment.
You would be commited too, possibly even more than they are, if you are sitting on 100k+ Bitcoins that you mined as early adoptor
or bought at 10000000:1 ratio.
You apparently will not be committed to doing shit, and people who are committed are already corrupt, by the fact that they are committed. So, what the hell are you even doing here?
God, I hate trolls. Whenever there is a difficult argument to make, they pop up and force you to side with the mainstream view.
"THOU ART VIOLATING THE TENETS OF OUR GOOD LORD SATOSHI, PRAISED BE HIS NAME! THOU SHALT BE PUT UPON THE WALL TO RECEIVE THE BLESSING OF COLD METAL ROUNDS! LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL HERETICS! DO NOT CHANGE THE WORD OF THE HOLY PAPER LEST YE BE CHANGED TO BREATHE NO MORE!"
It's less pleasant to step off of some straight and narrow paths than others. Imagine being a developer and you have this great idea on... oh, how about pruning the blockchain. So you discuss it with your co-developers and everyone agrees that yeah, that would be a great thing. So you announce your plans on the forums....
Comparing Atlas ranting with questioning some retarded ban made on dubious pretenses => apples and oranges This forum is almost 95% full of paranoid people (No offense - I do realize that I myself am quite paranoid). The devs cannot even lift a finger without somebody on the forum saying "one of the devs lifted a finger" ! OMG they betrayed us !!!!!!!11111oneoneone.
This.
Imagine being a developer and you have this great idea on... oh, how about pruning the blockchain. So you discuss it with your co-developers and everyone agrees that yeah, that would be a great thing. So you announce your plans on the forums....
..... and all hell breaks loose. "THOU ART VIOLATING THE TENETS OF OUR GOOD LORD SATOSHI, PRAISED BE HIS NAME! THOU SHALT BE PUT UPON THE WALL TO RECEIVE THE BLESSING OF COLD METAL ROUNDS! LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL HERETICS! DO NOT CHANGE THE WORD OF THE HOLY PAPER LEST YE BE CHANGED TO BREATHE NO MORE!"
@ Technomage - The situation is as serious as it can be. It is too bad you are so easily lulled and convinced to drop your guard.
I'm not dropping my guard. In fact I'm more vigilant than ever thanks to this incident. I'm backing off though, but just for the time being.
Oh come on.
This forum is almost 95% full of paranoid people (No offense - I do realize that I myself am quite paranoid). The devs cannot even lift a finger without somebody on the forum saying "one of the devs lifted a finger" ! OMG they betrayed us !!!!!!!11111oneoneone.
So if you want to find vigilant people, this is probably the best forum for that in the universe.
@ Technomage - The situation is as serious as it can be. It is too bad you are so easily lulled and convinced to drop your guard.
I'm not dropping my guard. In fact I'm more vigilant than ever thanks to this incident. I'm backing off though, but just for the time being.
You might be impressed with their coding skills or whatever, but their actions reveal they are just ordinary scared and corruptable humans, which is serious disadvantage when it comes to world-changing project.
I'm not impressed with their coding skills, I'm impressed by their commitment. This also covers service providers like BitInstant and even casascius, because even though they have a lot to gain, at this point they are risking a lot as well.
If you really think that manufactured consent is possible and damaging, you can easily polarize development. It's hard, but not impossible to become the maintainer of the de facto standard codebase. However you don't need to even come close to that, just be a decent competitor and that would considerably lessen the disadvantage you are talking about because of the diversified interests. If you think it's what ought to be done, it is your/our responsibility. For a project like Bitcoin, it really shouldn't matter whether devs are corrupt (not sure what that means). If you think they are, and they can indeed manufacture consent, I don't know what you think complaining about that here would accomplish.
It's not that serious guys. The key issue here is do the devs oppose making a Farsi version of Bitcoin-Qt, or are they okay with it. As far as I know, they are not opposing that. Everything else here is actually not that relevant. As long as they don't start actively doing radical shit like that, I think we're still OK.
I would like to add that I have nothing to contribute regarding the Farsi version but I'd be glad to see it. Just like I would be glad to see any other language version. Bitcoin is non-political, remember that.
I would like to add that I have nothing to contribute regarding the Farsi version but I'd be glad to see it. Just like I would be glad to see any other language version. Bitcoin is non-political, remember that.
Ignoring someone of forum is modern form of sending him or her to Gulag, and clear example of what this movement and key persons are about.
If Solzhenitsyn could read this he wouldn't know whether to laugh or to cry.
other than that I think this ban was/is retarded
Ignoring someone of forum is modern form of sending him or her to Gulag, and clear example of what this movement and key persons are about.
If Solzhenitsyn could read this he wouldn't know whether to laugh or to cry.
Doing those things is not just stupid, it's fucking stupid. Doing any of those things is working towards bitcoin's failure.
If what you say is true, and it may very well be, there is no hope to begin with.
What I want to believe is, they either are allowing it to happen (maybe they think it will empower the "free world"), or they know they can't stop it (or they know it will fail anyway). I fail to see "they can't grasp what this technology makes possible" as a possibility, sorry. I know the system is very complex, but still.
I think "keeping the dev team and the foundation out of unnecessary headaches" is a good enough defense of how issues like this will be handled. It's also understandable to want trouble later than now. But it's harder to argue for the "long term strategic plan" thing. Very moot. And that rhetoric by itself can get you in trouble because it has a "hidden motive" vibe to it.
Anyway, the solution to all our problems is more users and more developers, more homogenously distributed around the world, and we should all work on that. Let #bitcoin-dev-iran kick out illegal U.S. supporters, if this is how it can only be balanced.
With today's young and very experimental bitcoin software, if you wanted to try really hard, and pick the worst thing to do to Bitcoin, it would be to try and get bitcoin involved in Iran money laundering, North Korea money laundering, Taliban or jihadi terrorist funding.
But you can't prevent it either, so your explanation doesn't make sense. It's an OSS and everyone can use it as they wish. Including US and UK government agencies currently laundering money for the terrorists in Syria as they did it before with the terrorists in Libya.My point is, be responsible as a bitcoin coredev and don't demonstrate your political preferences in such a rude manner when other people in the dev channel are just doing their regular job i.e. asking for help to translate bitcoin client to different languages! If I could I'd have banned you from the coredev group.
For the immediate reaction (temporary IRC ban), the explanation was simple: it was off-topic, potentially inflammatory crap we specifically do not want in #bitcoin-dev. People occasionally attempt to get on IRC and try to troll the devs into saying something publicly that fits their agenda. After repeated warnings... boot.
No one was trying to get you to say anything. You inserted yourself into the conversation, from what the logs indicate. How was this person trolling when pursuing relevant discussion without asking you for any involvement or statement at all?
Which is antithetical to the purpose of bitcoin technology in the first place. The idea that no government can control what people do with their money.
Bitcoin doesn't give a damn about your revolution, or your anarcho-capitalism, or your political idealogy or your
People do.
You quoted the wrong person. It wasn't me who said that, it was LightRider. I've consistently said that Bitcoin is simply a protocol which people can use as they see fit. There's nothing stopping anarchists using it to further their ideology but they have no right to demand that others do the same or adapt it for that purpose any more than people who are in Bitcoin purely for the money have the right to demand that others use it for purely commercial purposes. It's a tool and that's all it is.
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