Topic: Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest - page 55. (Read 454769 times)
Thank you very much! Are there any plans on launching this website on Ethereum when it's launched? I think it would be a great (D)app, the Dice could be a calculation on a new block every 12 sec.
I tried to look for some info that I couldn's find. Maybe someone here knows where to get it.
When I buy Apple stock I can see the daily +0.34% or -4% etc. When I look some further I can even see Apple up 20% in a couple of weeks etc.
When it come to Just-Dice I can see daily profit in CLAMS, but is there a graph anywhere showing how much an investment is up in % for a day? Say someone
invested 100 coins, are they up 1% (to 101 CLAMS) or down 2% (98 CLAMS). Is there a maximum drwaback over X-months, showing how much in % an investment in the house
went down???
Doog will periodically post some of the information you are looking for. From a recent post:When I buy Apple stock I can see the daily +0.34% or -4% etc. When I look some further I can even see Apple up 20% in a couple of weeks etc.
When it come to Just-Dice I can see daily profit in CLAMS, but is there a graph anywhere showing how much an investment is up in % for a day? Say someone
invested 100 coins, are they up 1% (to 101 CLAMS) or down 2% (98 CLAMS). Is there a maximum drwaback over X-months, showing how much in % an investment in the house
went down???
Quote
Dec 12 2014 0.00% 100.00%
Dec 15 2014 3.64% 103.64%
Dec 22 2014 5.02% 108.85%
Dec 29 2014 2.09% 111.13%
Jan 5 2015 8.16% 120.20%
Jan 12 2015 5.28% 126.55%
Jan 19 2015 3.55% 131.04%
Jan 20 2015 0.72% 131.99%
Dec 15 2014 3.64% 103.64%
Dec 22 2014 5.02% 108.85%
Dec 29 2014 2.09% 111.13%
Jan 5 2015 8.16% 120.20%
Jan 12 2015 5.28% 126.55%
Jan 19 2015 3.55% 131.04%
Jan 20 2015 0.72% 131.99%
The main problem with publishing such numbers is that your results may vary. Since the introduction of "offsite investment" (search for it on the JD FAQ tab) it's possible for some investors to make a profit while others make a loss because of how the staking reward is shared out. Only coins that are physically on-site earn staking reward, whereas your entire on-site plus off-site coins get their share of player wins and losses. Investors who are entirely on-site will typically find that their share of the staking reward will offset any losses to winning players, whereas those with large off-site amounts won't.
Having said that, here's an updated version of the above data. It's for an investor with no offsite amount at all, and includes his staking rewards, and it after commission (except the last line, which is net of commission on staking for the current week, but hasn't yet paid commission on any profit from player losses this week):
Quote
Dec 12 2014 0.00% 100.00%
Dec 15 2014 3.64% 103.64%
Dec 22 2014 5.02% 108.85%
Dec 29 2014 2.09% 111.13%
Jan 5 2015 8.16% 120.20%
Jan 12 2015 5.28% 126.55%
Jan 19 2015 3.55% 131.04%
Jan 26 2015 2.10% 133.79%
Feb 2 2015 2.10% 136.60%
Feb 5 2015 1.01% 137.98%
Dec 15 2014 3.64% 103.64%
Dec 22 2014 5.02% 108.85%
Dec 29 2014 2.09% 111.13%
Jan 5 2015 8.16% 120.20%
Jan 12 2015 5.28% 126.55%
Jan 19 2015 3.55% 131.04%
Jan 26 2015 2.10% 133.79%
Feb 2 2015 2.10% 136.60%
Feb 5 2015 1.01% 137.98%
I tried to look for some info that I couldn's find. Maybe someone here knows where to get it.
When I buy Apple stock I can see the daily +0.34% or -4% etc. When I look some further I can even see Apple up 20% in a couple of weeks etc.
When it come to Just-Dice I can see daily profit in CLAMS, but is there a graph anywhere showing how much an investment is up in % for a day? Say someone
invested 100 coins, are they up 1% (to 101 CLAMS) or down 2% (98 CLAMS). Is there a maximum drwaback over X-months, showing how much in % an investment in the house
went down???
Doog will periodically post some of the information you are looking for. From a recent post:When I buy Apple stock I can see the daily +0.34% or -4% etc. When I look some further I can even see Apple up 20% in a couple of weeks etc.
When it come to Just-Dice I can see daily profit in CLAMS, but is there a graph anywhere showing how much an investment is up in % for a day? Say someone
invested 100 coins, are they up 1% (to 101 CLAMS) or down 2% (98 CLAMS). Is there a maximum drwaback over X-months, showing how much in % an investment in the house
went down???
Quote
Dec 12 2014 0.00% 100.00%
Dec 15 2014 3.64% 103.64%
Dec 22 2014 5.02% 108.85%
Dec 29 2014 2.09% 111.13%
Jan 5 2015 8.16% 120.20%
Jan 12 2015 5.28% 126.55%
Jan 19 2015 3.55% 131.04%
Jan 20 2015 0.72% 131.99%
Dec 15 2014 3.64% 103.64%
Dec 22 2014 5.02% 108.85%
Dec 29 2014 2.09% 111.13%
Jan 5 2015 8.16% 120.20%
Jan 12 2015 5.28% 126.55%
Jan 19 2015 3.55% 131.04%
Jan 20 2015 0.72% 131.99%
I tried to look for some info that I couldn's find. Maybe someone here knows where to get it.
When I buy Apple stock I can see the daily +0.34% or -4% etc. When I look some further I can even see Apple up 20% in a couple of weeks etc.
When it come to Just-Dice I can see daily profit in CLAMS, but is there a graph anywhere showing how much an investment is up in % for a day? Say someone
invested 100 coins, are they up 1% (to 101 CLAMS) or down 2% (98 CLAMS). Is there a maximum drwaback over X-months, showing how much in % an investment in the house
went down???
When I buy Apple stock I can see the daily +0.34% or -4% etc. When I look some further I can even see Apple up 20% in a couple of weeks etc.
When it come to Just-Dice I can see daily profit in CLAMS, but is there a graph anywhere showing how much an investment is up in % for a day? Say someone
invested 100 coins, are they up 1% (to 101 CLAMS) or down 2% (98 CLAMS). Is there a maximum drwaback over X-months, showing how much in % an investment in the house
went down???
The network rules as they currently stand say 1 per block forever. But the rules have changed many times in the past. I would be surprised if they didn't change again.
For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
Was that the "pearl reward" that I hear about every now and again or is it something else?For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
There is some ambiguity; there are three concepts that have at times been called "proof-of-pearl".
1. A new payout system that existed at a since shut-down multi-pool, which featured long-term payouts similar to p2pool, but much longer "n" periods.
2. The CLAM lottery. An algorithm for determining random block reward, which has also since been removed due to exploits.
3. I have even heard the CLAM distribution, officially called Proof-Of-Chain, referred to as Proof-of-pearl.
Was that the "pearl reward" that I hear about every now and again or is it something else?
yeah that was the pearl reward.
You're thinking of "proof of pearl", and I think it's something to do with a mining pool run by the CLAM developers. I never paid it much attention because I don't mine, but from the little I read about it I think you point your mining gear at their pool, they mine whatever altcoin is most profitable, and use it to buy CLAM on the exchange, then send you the CLAM they bought. There was something about the payouts being long lived - slow to start up and slow to die off.
I've not heard of it for a while now. I don't know if it's still a thing or not. You could ask on the CLAM thread or on #clams on freenode IRC. Or ask creative or xploited if you see them in the JD chat.
The network rules as they currently stand say 1 per block forever. But the rules have changed many times in the past. I would be surprised if they didn't change again.
For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
Was that the "pearl reward" that I hear about every now and again or is it something else?
yeah that was the pearl reward.
The network rules as they currently stand say 1 per block forever. But the rules have changed many times in the past. I would be surprised if they didn't change again.
For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
Was that the "pearl reward" that I hear about every now and again or is it something else?
Well things are shaping up. I think there is a bit more liquidity which is good.
What's the easiest way to claim the clams from an old bitcoinqt wallet?
I used the just-dice website, because at the time the Clam client for OSX didn't exist yet. Transferred all to a new bitcoin address, went on bitcoinqt through the list (listaddressgroupings on qt console) then entered the private key of the empty (funded) ones.
What's the easiest way to claim the clams from an old bitcoinqt wallet?
Another thing to consider is whether profit staking is actually profit as it increases the money supply.
At least part of it is profit, since not all CLAMs are trying to stake. There are thousands on poloniex which never get to stake, for instance. The ~15 million that haven't been dug up also aren't staking, so by staking you're increasing your share of the total money supply.
Another thing to consider is whether profit staking is actually profit as it increases the money supply.
14:08:52 INFO: 62,689 of 3,208,032 sets of 4.60545574 CLAM were dug up so far from the initial distribution
14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
Is there a total cap on CLAM or will it always produce 1 per staked block in perpetuity?14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
Accurate as always, dooglus
CLAM is a consensus supported p2p open source project.
The current consensus provides for roughly 3% inflation (less systemic deflation) in perpetuity.
There have been some ideas, including demurrage and proof-of-burn, that have been discussed; none of which are any where near "agreed", let alone coded. And barring a fundamental change to the incentive structure such as the above; the current intention is to proceed with the monetary policy as it is set out in the current code base.
Technically, all cryptos are consensus-based, though... voted on by the miners.
In any case, thanks for the clarification!
14:08:52 INFO: 62,689 of 3,208,032 sets of 4.60545574 CLAM were dug up so far from the initial distribution
14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
Is there a total cap on CLAM or will it always produce 1 per staked block in perpetuity?14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
Accurate as always, dooglus
CLAM is a consensus supported p2p open source project.
The current consensus provides for roughly 3% inflation (less systemic deflation) in perpetuity.
There have been some ideas, including demurrage and proof-of-burn, that have been discussed; none of which are any where near "agreed", let alone coded. And barring a fundamental change to the incentive structure such as the above; the current intention is to proceed with the monetary policy as it is set out in the current code base.
14:08:52 INFO: 62,689 of 3,208,032 sets of 4.60545574 CLAM were dug up so far from the initial distribution
14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
Is there a total cap on CLAM or will it always produce 1 per staked block in perpetuity?
The network rules as they currently stand say 1 per block forever. But the rules have changed many times in the past. I would be surprised if they didn't change again.
For a while the block reward was a lottery: a random number between 0.1 and 1000 CLAM per block, heavily weighted towards 0.1, but not really random. As a result it was gameable and so eventually was gamed, and thus changed to the current system. Before the lottery, the reward depended on the age of the coin that was staking.
14:08:52 INFO: 62,689 of 3,208,032 sets of 4.60545574 CLAM were dug up so far from the initial distribution
14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
Is there a total cap on CLAM or will it always produce 1 per staked block in perpetuity?
14:08:52 INFO: 62,689 of 3,208,032 sets of 4.60545574 CLAM were dug up so far from the initial distribution
14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
Market Cap of CLAM (508858) CLAM = $664,807 USD
JD opened ~2 Months
Profit is $141,064 *10% = $14,064 * 6 (2 month increments) * 10 Years = $846,384 USD
Believe it or not Clams might be a little underpriced -
14:08:52 INFO: 288,711 CLAM were dug up and 220,147 CLAM were staked for a total of 508,858 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 355,323 CLAM represents 69.83% of that amount
14:08:52 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,548 CLAM
14:08:52 INFO: the total bankroll of 12,370,052 CLAM is made up of 355,323 CLAM onsite and 12,014,729 CLAM offsite
14:08:52 INFO: the average multiplier (total / onsite) is 34.81x
Market Cap of CLAM (508858) CLAM = $664,807 USD
JD opened ~2 Months
Profit is $141,064 *10% = $14,064 * 6 (2 month increments) * 10 Years = $846,384 USD
Believe it or not Clams might be a little underpriced -
Ahhh, I see now. The "Limit" is the normal buy/sell on places like Cryptsy then. That explains the confusion. Thanks, .
.I guess that depends on whether you are asking for a better or worse price than is currently on offer.
If you put in an order to sell CLAM for more than someone is willing to pay for them for right now, that's a limit order, and it will stay in the orderbook until it is matched.
If you put in an order to sell CLAM for less than someone is willing to pay for them right now, that's a market order, and at least some of it will be filled immediately.
If you put a limit order, you may get a better price than the best price available but the market could move on you and you will not have buy/sell so you will have to settle for a worse price than you could have.
On poloniex it's common to see as much as 0.0002 or 0.0003 so as much as 5% of difference between the best bid and the best ask so you often want to try to get a better price than you would get from a market order but your order will usually not be filled fast.
Also got into claims and understand them finally fully since today thanks to doog=)
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