EDIT: Block #6 for the day, all green!
EDIT2: The previous block was by csweeney05 with 15.75THs...he also gets on the Acclaim Board with his 1st Kano Block! Way to go!
Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 1462. (Read 5352420 times)
May 17, 2016, 12:32:53 PM
Block by jacobvschmidt with 44.38THs! Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano Block!
EDIT: Block #6 for the day, all green!
EDIT2: The previous block was by csweeney05 with 15.75THs...he also gets on the Acclaim Board with his 1st Kano Block! Way to go!
EDIT: Block #6 for the day, all green!
EDIT2: The previous block was by csweeney05 with 15.75THs...he also gets on the Acclaim Board with his 1st Kano Block! Way to go!
May 17, 2016, 12:07:01 PM
If it's one of the shiny new B16 S7s, yeah it's loud. REAL loud. I had to encase my two little banshees in a styrofoam wind tunnel to get the noise to something bearable, since I have no separate room for them (living room).
Was up at 0200 our time to check on a data recovery and saw the blocks coming...woo hoo! I can deal with that...
Was up at 0200 our time to check on a data recovery and saw the blocks coming...woo hoo! I can deal with that...
May 17, 2016, 10:37:55 AM
I got my S7 power supply delivered on friday and I'm now waiting for the S7.
It ha been delayed because DHL had no clue what a "bitcoin miner" is.
(as if they couldn't Google it...)
It took a few email exchange (and a tax payment) to get it cleared out of customs.
Expecting it tomorrow now... 3 days lost...
It ha been delayed because DHL had no clue what a "bitcoin miner" is.
(as if they couldn't Google it...)
It took a few email exchange (and a tax payment) to get it cleared out of customs.
Expecting it tomorrow now... 3 days lost...
So received and connected my shiny S7 to the DK node, DE as 1st failback, main as 3rd failback. (from France)
maybe I'll be lucky and hit one with this (loud) baby.
4xS3+ and 4xS5 turned off untill I find a suitable hosting place for them (got a 2keuros raise on my annual power bill, and kWh price has increase over 30%)
May 17, 2016, 10:17:10 AM
... and to say a little more of my post above that got interrupted by a block
Making them lose a bit more wont really make a difference to anyone withholding.
Paying everyone fairly is way more important.
... in my book 'fairly' means based on your work done vs the rest of the pool.
I expend effort and time to track miner problems, and in my opinion that is what's best.
--
The real issue is actually chickens.
I ate chicken for dinner just before we found that last block.
More chicken sacrifices required
--
Edit: oh and I know who the new top miner is, so as I guessed before, it is all hardware and no they wont ever be withholding.
Making them lose a bit more wont really make a difference to anyone withholding.
Paying everyone fairly is way more important.
... in my book 'fairly' means based on your work done vs the rest of the pool.
I expend effort and time to track miner problems, and in my opinion that is what's best.
--
The real issue is actually chickens.
I ate chicken for dinner just before we found that last block.
More chicken sacrifices required
--
Edit: oh and I know who the new top miner is, so as I guessed before, it is all hardware and no they wont ever be withholding.
HAHAHA seems like the VooDoo code it´s working... more sacrifices !!!!
May 17, 2016, 08:41:01 AM
Waking up to an overnight block party! Love the long green! 
My kind of breakfast...4 blocks over easy and sunny side up eggs!
That is 5 blocks so far for today! May 17, 2016, 08:33:18 AM
Block solvers do not get an extra reward.
My math is crap but if you run 80TH you should be on top of this already
PPLNS here is based on 5N - so it averages your performance over a longer period than "n" i.e. about 2 days previous to hitting a block.
Your rewards - all depend on the luck of the pool.
Pool has good luck - you earn more.
Pool has bad luck - you earn less.
As an example (and assuming you have been mining at 80TH for 2 days previous) these are some guesstimates of your daily earnings (based on my actual earnings here).
Yesterday at 80TH - you would have earned about 0.512 BTC (8 blocks)
The day before at 80TH - you would have earned 0.192 BTC (3 blocks)
On average - if the pool has 100% luck you might earn approx 0.256 BTC +/- (based on a particular point in time yesterday - 4 blocks - but as hash keeps increasing lately on the pool your per block payout decreases but the number of blocks SHOULD increase - my math falls apart at this point)
The luck here seems to usually be over 100% - so you might hope for slightly better.
A clear comparison with F (something) Pool (PPS at 4% fee) which currently pays 0.00248538 BTC/TH - you would earn 80 x 0.00248538 = 0.199 BTC approx if they actually paid out to this figure.
Hope that helps - cheers - usukan
My math is crap but if you run 80TH you should be on top of this already
PPLNS here is based on 5N - so it averages your performance over a longer period than "n" i.e. about 2 days previous to hitting a block.
Your rewards - all depend on the luck of the pool.
Pool has good luck - you earn more.
Pool has bad luck - you earn less.
As an example (and assuming you have been mining at 80TH for 2 days previous) these are some guesstimates of your daily earnings (based on my actual earnings here).
Yesterday at 80TH - you would have earned about 0.512 BTC (8 blocks)
The day before at 80TH - you would have earned 0.192 BTC (3 blocks)
On average - if the pool has 100% luck you might earn approx 0.256 BTC +/- (based on a particular point in time yesterday - 4 blocks - but as hash keeps increasing lately on the pool your per block payout decreases but the number of blocks SHOULD increase - my math falls apart at this point)
The luck here seems to usually be over 100% - so you might hope for slightly better.
A clear comparison with F (something) Pool (PPS at 4% fee) which currently pays 0.00248538 BTC/TH - you would earn 80 x 0.00248538 = 0.199 BTC approx if they actually paid out to this figure.
Hope that helps - cheers - usukan
So how do i find out how much btc i make daily on pplns with around 80-90 TH?
do block solvers get xtra reward?
and how do the payments get redistribusted?
this is so confusing the pplns?
any help would be appreciated
do block solvers get xtra reward?
and how do the payments get redistribusted?
this is so confusing the pplns?
any help would be appreciated
Thank you very much usukan, after a couple of days mining it started getting clear to me.
May 17, 2016, 08:30:39 AM
Waking up to an overnight block party! Love the long green!
May 17, 2016, 07:51:46 AM
see.. now this is the kano pool i know/love. 4 blocks overnight is a great way to start the day and turn the luck around.
May 17, 2016, 07:36:10 AM
Our chicken sacrifice is working..... 5 blocks and it's only noon 17th UTC.
https://i.imgur.com/TDil0MJ.jpg[/img]]
https://i.imgur.com/TDil0MJ.jpg[/img]]
May 17, 2016, 07:28:00 AM
Looks like antpoo is down almost 100ph
May 17, 2016, 07:23:14 AM
More chicken ... oops I mean a block
May 17, 2016, 07:11:18 AM
Colonel Sanders has been sacrificing chickens for years, the real question is do these "Blocks" taste like chicken ? 
May 17, 2016, 07:06:09 AM
this chicken is too cute to be sacrificed to the Goddess of Blocks... we will save him instead for Block Wednesday.
https://i.imgur.com/clKGcIG.jpg[/img]]
https://i.imgur.com/clKGcIG.jpg[/img]]
wow what a fine bird
May 17, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
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Edit: oh and I know who the new top miner is, so as I guessed before, it is all hardware and no they wont ever be withholding.
Edit: oh and I know who the new top miner is, so as I guessed before, it is all hardware and no they wont ever be withholding.
5.5 petahash is a massive whale of a SHA256 farm.... as long as vetted by Kano.... welcome to the pleasure dome!
May 17, 2016, 07:01:18 AM
this chicken is too cute to be sacrificed to the Goddess of Blocks... we will save him instead for Block Wednesday.
https://i.imgur.com/clKGcIG.jpg[/img]]
https://i.imgur.com/clKGcIG.jpg[/img]]
May 17, 2016, 06:24:12 AM
Edit: oh and I know who the new top miner is, so as I guessed before, it is all hardware and no they wont ever be withholding.
Good.
May 17, 2016, 03:07:30 AM
... and to say a little more of my post above that got interrupted by a block
Making them lose a bit more wont really make a difference to anyone withholding.
Paying everyone fairly is way more important.
... in my book 'fairly' means based on your work done vs the rest of the pool.
I expend effort and time to track miner problems, and in my opinion that is what's best.
--
The real issue is actually chickens.
I ate chicken for dinner just before we found that last block.
More chicken sacrifices required
--
Edit: oh and I know who the new top miner is, so as I guessed before, it is all hardware and no they wont ever be withholding.
Making them lose a bit more wont really make a difference to anyone withholding.
Paying everyone fairly is way more important.
... in my book 'fairly' means based on your work done vs the rest of the pool.
I expend effort and time to track miner problems, and in my opinion that is what's best.
--
The real issue is actually chickens.
I ate chicken for dinner just before we found that last block.
More chicken sacrifices required
--
Edit: oh and I know who the new top miner is, so as I guessed before, it is all hardware and no they wont ever be withholding.
May 17, 2016, 02:56:18 AM
Oh yes - we notice them all right - every single one....
Hmm another one snuck by without anyone noticing (40min ago)
GLORYTrading block maestro strikes again
GLORYTrading block maestro strikes again
May 17, 2016, 02:45:07 AM
On PPLNS you already lose when you withhold.
The bigger your hash rate, the more you will lose.
The simple issue is the question: Why would someone withhold?
... block ...
The bigger your hash rate, the more you will lose.
The simple issue is the question: Why would someone withhold?
... block ...
May 17, 2016, 02:03:49 AM
The pool is fine the way it is. Paying a premium to the person who finds a block to dissuade block withholding is essentially paying a bribe - like paying "the mob" "insurance money" to make sure nothing bad happens to your store (no offense - I appreciate that you're offering ideas). Kano does multiple checks and statistics to stay on top of this - I trust his skills and efforts. Now, how about another block? I need some green 
Just like you get paid for valid shares (which prove you did some work), paying the person who finds the block is the exact same thing same thing (but much more valid). You can call it paying the mob (however, I am not sure how that is simular), I call it rewarding behavior that you want. Isn't that how the world works? I am not sure how rewarding good behavior is like paying the mob, you must know some really nice mobsters
Anyways, I never said to change this pool (I even explicitly said not to change this pool, but it would be a cool second option).
The problem with checks and stats is you need large numbers for that to work. If one guy mines and has been paid say 50 BTC, but hasn't found a block, how statistically significant is that? That should naturally happen 1/4 of the time, it isn't statistically significant until you pay out hundreds of BTC and only later could you realize there is a problem.
Like I said, I don't want to change this pool, but it could be a good hybrid between solo and pooled mining. Personally, something like a 80/20 options is more appealing to me than the current system or solo mining. I realize others might not be in the same situation.
All I am trying to do is find the system that is least likely to be attacked, while retaining the advantages of pooled mining. In the past, this pool has had great luck, I would like for it to be in the best possible position it can be in.
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