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Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 498. (Read 5352367 times)

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4 s9's 2 821's
Meanwhile on Slush....

273.68 %
Last 10 Blocks
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Last 50 Blocks


Look at those blocks though, almost ZERO transactions in them.
jr. member
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I went and reprocessed, with brand new code witten by me from scratch in KanoDB, all the shares from the start of October for a few months of data, to make sure there wasn't some other new bug in ckpool, and found no blocks missing from the known ones in the data.
Thus, unless someone was withholding, it would appear that October was simply just bad luck.
However, to ensure that continues to be the case, I removed the largest miner that was part of that 200PHs - rental - from the pool, since for rental, withholding blocks is to their financial advantage. As I've mentioned before, most people don't mind being involved in altcoin scams, so why would rental people mind doing something scammy? Smiley

I looked through the threads on withholding blocks, and I see that you cannot "steal" a block, because its not useful anywhere else, but I still can't understand why it is advantageous for anyone to withhold a block.  

What about the miners and the firmware version?  Could that have an effect on finding a block?

Is there a test pool that you can point your miner too that has ridiculous low difficulty just to make sure it is capable of generating blocks?  
hero member
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I'm in BTC XTC
legendary
Activity: 4634
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
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Hey I wish this pool would get some life in it .. I mined here for a good 3 months but then I said a few things to try to get a spark and pretty much got the usual scorn

This pool should try all kinds of gimmicks to keep miners here..  like charge 3% fee but give 2% to whoever gets the block.  Make the gambling worth it.. could even increase the fee payout a little more each day like a jackpot and then reset after the block...  put a little graphic jackpot meter on the website that grows just like the casinos..  yeah maybe I'm that guy on the boardwalk I am talking about  Smiley
Gambling is for other pools and casinos.

There's already a pool out there to attract small miners - with a stupid payout system that gives small miners the possibility to take from the large miners, and the large miners lose their block reward on the first block coz he can't code it properly Tongue
Oddly enough there's only one large miner on that pool - the guy who found the block that -ck threw away - yeah I've no idea what wetsuit is thinking Smiley

... attract small miners by skimming from the large miners ... i.e. try to send away the large miners Tongue ... and people who don't realise you're losing out.

Yeah not really my aim for this pool Smiley

Mining misses don't bring a block..  and wouldn't large miners like getting a bit more since they are the main ones getting blocks?  It would only hurt big miners that are unlucky (or withholding, etc) since small miners don't really have a chance in hell on doing anything alone so it would almost be all of the small miners as the ones paying more in fees without getting it back.
Small and large miners find blocks - see the last 88 ...

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And it would only be a smallish fee reward.. you act like I mentioned giving the whole block to the one who finds it
What it does is increase variance, which I'm pretty certain no one wants.
It also gives the option for small miners to come in, get lucky, take that extra reward, and leave.

I'm not interested in rewarding 'lucky' miners, by taking rewards from everyone else, I'm interested in rewarding everyone fairly.
You cannot control the luck of your miners.

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Anyway, do you want to comment on how math doesn't even out very well in small doses which is what this pool has per diff cycle now?
And how after each diff cycle the odds & rewards change so luck doesn't rebound evenly as it does in other static examples?
Luck isn't expected to rebound.
It's expected to approach the expected value - 100% (less orphans) - from whichever side of it, it is on.

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Like, do the added rewards of the good luck in Jan cure the weak rewards from the bad luck during last Aug?
Of course it doesn't, which is why this pool is turning into a casino even if you don't want it to
No idea what you are talking about here.

The only thing that matters with PPLNS is that long term luck is close to the expected 100%
Long term luck is not time based, it's block based.

We had two exceptionally high difficulty blocks in October ... and yet the longer term luck e.g. 500 blocks that includes those 2 blocks - is still above 100% luck

I went and reprocessed, with brand new code witten by me from scratch in KanoDB, all the shares from the start of October for a few months of data, to make sure there wasn't some other new bug in ckpool, and found no blocks missing from the known ones in the data.
Thus, unless someone was withholding, it would appear that October was simply just bad luck.
However, to ensure that continues to be the case, I removed the largest miner that was part of that 200PHs - rental - from the pool, since for rental, withholding blocks is to their financial advantage. As I've mentioned before, most people don't mind being involved in altcoin scams, so why would rental people mind doing something scammy? Smiley
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Am I right in thinking as we are on 450% when next block is found good chance of finding 4/5 blocks within a short space of time?
This is a bitch of a block.....

The odds of the next block are not impacted by the previous ones at all.
Ok makes sense, just a bit unlucky at mo then.

Am I right in thinking as we are on 450% when next block is found good chance of finding 4/5 blocks within a short space of time?
This is a bitch of a block.....

Gamblers fallacy.

Should even out in the end though
Over a 1000 blocks or so  Cheesy

Given time, it will always even out.
legendary
Activity: 2198
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Freedom&Honor
Am I right in thinking as we are on 450% when next block is found good chance of finding 4/5 blocks within a short space of time?
This is a bitch of a block.....

The odds of the next block are not impacted by the previous ones at all.
Ok makes sense, just a bit unlucky at mo then.

Am I right in thinking as we are on 450% when next block is found good chance of finding 4/5 blocks within a short space of time?
This is a bitch of a block.....

Gamblers fallacy.

Should even out in the end though
Over a 1000 blocks or so  Cheesy
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
What is the highest hashrate Kano pool has had in the past... or are we at the highest now? 

We had an average pool hash rate of 133.27PHs for block 491121.  I don't remember exactly but the peak pool hash rate may have been over 200PHs right around there. Smiley


Ok thanks, yes this block is one of those "bitches".  

The funny thing is that I made a significant investment (7 S9's) and went from one R4 at 8.7Th, to now hashing at just over 105Th.   I have 5 more S9's coming, so I'll be up around 172Th.  Trying not to be a bitch myself, but this is the rude reality of mining. Ugh.  I realize this is not the norm.  
I've been talking to my machines....lol.  

Good LUCK to all   MINE ON.
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
What is the highest hashrate Kano pool has had in the past... or are we at the highest now? 

We had an average pool hash rate of 133.27PHs for block 491121.  I don't remember exactly but the peak pool hash rate may have been over 200PHs right around there. Smiley
member
Activity: 658
Merit: 21
4 s9's 2 821's
What is the highest hashrate Kano pool has had in the past... or are we at the highest now? 

Highest is still double what we're currently at...had two bitches of blocks back in October.
sr. member
Activity: 308
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I like big BITS and I cannot lie.
Am I right in thinking as we are on 450% when next block is found good chance of finding 4/5 blocks within a short space of time?
This is a bitch of a block.....

Gamblers fallacy.
member
Activity: 189
Merit: 11
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Hey I wish this pool would get some life in it .. I mined here for a good 3 months but then I said a few things to try to get a spark and pretty much got the usual scorn

This pool should try all kinds of gimmicks to keep miners here..  like charge 3% fee but give 2% to whoever gets the block.  Make the gambling worth it.. could even increase the fee payout a little more each day like a jackpot and then reset after the block...  put a little graphic jackpot meter on the website that grows just like the casinos..  yeah maybe I'm that guy on the boardwalk I am talking about  Smiley
Gambling is for other pools and casinos.

There's already a pool out there to attract small miners - with a stupid payout system that gives small miners the possibility to take from the large miners, and the large miners lose their block reward on the first block coz he can't code it properly Tongue
Oddly enough there's only one large miner on that pool - the guy who found the block that -ck threw away - yeah I've no idea what wetsuit is thinking Smiley

... attract small miners by skimming from the large miners ... i.e. try to send away the large miners Tongue ... and people who don't realise you're losing out.

Yeah not really my aim for this pool Smiley

Mining misses don't bring a block..  and wouldn't large miners like getting a bit more since they are the main ones getting blocks?  It would only hurt big miners that are unlucky (or withholding, etc) since small miners don't really have a chance in hell on doing anything alone so it would almost be all of the small miners as the ones paying more in fees without getting it back.

And it would only be a smallish fee reward.. you act like I mentioned giving the whole block to the one who finds it

Anyway, do you want to comment on how math doesn't even out very well in small doses which is what this pool has per diff cycle now?
And how after each diff cycle the odds & rewards change so luck doesn't rebound evenly as it does in other static examples?

Like, do the added rewards of the good luck in Jan cure the weak rewards from the bad luck during last Aug?
Of course it doesn't, which is why this pool is turning into a casino even if you don't want it to
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
What is the highest hashrate Kano pool has had in the past... or are we at the highest now? 
full member
Activity: 658
Merit: 118
so does that mean that the machines are mining nothing?

Mining is the process of trying to find a random number, that, when concatenated other non-random numbers and hashed twice, has a specific pattern.

By submitting a share, your machine is sending its attempts to find that combination. It just found it yet, nor have any of the other machines in the pool.

When one of the machines in the pool finds it, we all get paid relative the amount of work our machines did over the last 10 trillion shares.
full member
Activity: 658
Merit: 118
Am I right in thinking as we are on 450% when next block is found good chance of finding 4/5 blocks within a short space of time?
This is a bitch of a block.....

The odds of the next block are not impacted by the previous ones at all.
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
Am I right in thinking as we are on 450% when next block is found good chance of finding 4/5 blocks within a short space of time?
This is a bitch of a block.....

We've had a couple of 900% blocks before...patience! Cheesy
newbie
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Merit: 0
Hi to all. Im  only start mining 23 jan with a s9 13.5. I see few people talk about shift on the page bit i cannot see my worker on the list.  Its normal? Can you help . Tnks
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
Hi Everyone, I'm new to the pool, started mining a couple weeks ago here.
I really like all the stats we get on the shifts page, and the possibility of modifying our minimum difficulty.
Thank you Kano for the great work, very useful.

I have started exploring the API and was wondering if it were possible to get access to our Shifts details history using the API key?

Thanks Smiley
Shift info is not available via the API
Currently it's only your workers current state and the pool current state.
Thanks for the quick reply and the confirmation.
legendary
Activity: 4634
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Hi Everyone, I'm new to the pool, started mining a couple weeks ago here.
I really like all the stats we get on the shifts page, and the possibility of modifying our minimum difficulty.
Thank you Kano for the great work, very useful.

I have started exploring the API and was wondering if it were possible to get access to our Shifts details history using the API key?

Thanks Smiley
Shift info is not available via the API
Currently it's only your workers current state and the pool current state.
member
Activity: 126
Merit: 10
so does that mean that the machines are mining nothing?

Where is the facepalm emoji?
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
Hi Everyone, I'm new to the pool, started mining a couple weeks ago here.
I really like all the stats we get on the shifts page, and the possibility of modifying our minimum difficulty.
Thank you Kano for the great work, very useful.

I have started exploring the API and was wondering if it were possible to get access to our Shifts details history using the API key?

Thanks Smiley
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