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Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 5. (Read 5350045 times)

newbie
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I don't know if the USB board by ?sidekick?sidehack? (I forget...gotta go find them) would work.

I built bought the domain, built the website and am building the LINUX distro and will try compiling CGMINER.

I'd like to create a CURL POST to automatically register a user with Kano Pool.

If you want I can write the Perl CGI so it dumps user data onto your server or provide a webpage you can wget on mine.

I'd also like to create a YOU'RE UP! confirmation post so users can see a little icon on their screen indicating they connected to you and you're waiting for...?not sure?
legendary
Activity: 4466
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Alas not quite correct Smiley
This pool pays all blocks to the KanoPool wallet, then I payout to the miners from there after 100 confirms.

That other pool pays the coinbase transaction directly to his address and your address.
That was also the reason why he lost a block back in 2017 - the poorly tested code to do that failed.

The delay, however, isn't actually much different between the two, since you can't spend a block before 100 confirms no matter who you are.
So here I send it to you at 100 confirms, and you can spend it a few confirms after that.
member
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the risk is that kano takes the money then I have to ask to withdraw it right? not mining to my address directly like ck?
sending to the user wallet directly is way better even if they pump the fees to 1% but don't act as a middle man when its not required in case of solo that's a strange intention
It seems like you misunderstood the wallet address idea in CKsolo, it's just a more convenient way for you to start mining without having to sign-up it acts as your username on other pools, it doesn't mean the rewards will go directly to your wallet address, the blockchain/other nodes don't see your wallet address, they see CK's Bitcoin address and if your hashrate hits a block the rewards will go to CK's BTC address, not yours.
From there, the pool keeps the fees (2% or whatever that may be) and then makes a NEW transaction to send you the remaining BTC to the address which you used in your worker setup (in CK's case) or in your pool account page (in Kano's case), so in respect to "trust/middle man" ALL pools are identical -- you are going to HAVE to trust the pool anyway.
Now in terms of trust, I think both pools can be equally trusted, it's just a matter of personal preference.
Right.. I've seen some solo pools source code for sale for $500 including setup.. maybe even it is $50,000 can be a later step if any blocks hit. However, I like how kano is so much active and open minded. Friendly & supportive. CK is nice as well.
legendary
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be constructive or S.T.F.U
the risk is that kano takes the money then I have to ask to withdraw it right? not mining to my address directly like ck?
sending to the user wallet directly is way better even if they pump the fees to 1% but don't act as a middle man when its not required in case of solo that's a strange intention

It seems like you misunderstood the wallet address idea in CKsolo, it's just a more convenient way for you to start mining without having to sign-up it acts as your username on other pools, it doesn't mean the rewards will go directly to your wallet address, the blockchain/other nodes don't see your wallet address, they see CK's Bitcoin address and if your hashrate hits a block the rewards will go to CK's BTC address, not yours.

From there, the pool keeps the fees (2% or whatever that may be) and then makes a NEW transaction to send you the remaining BTC to the address which you used in your worker setup (in CK's case) or in your pool account page (in Kano's case), so in respect to "trust/middle man" ALL pools are identical -- you are going to HAVE to trust the pool anyway.

Now in terms of trust, I think both pools can be equally trusted, it's just a matter of personal preference.
legendary
Activity: 3612
Merit: 2506
Evil beware: We have waffles!
I teach a tech class for kids (since 1983) where kids walk out with a free PC they built on day one...
...and they're hammering me to teach them to set up a miner on LINUX, so....
a) I guess CGMINER ... ? Any thoughts?

b) And Kano? Is that a good fit?
A good place to start would be to get one of Sidehack's Compac-F which is a USB stick minerr, that would take care of having an AISC-based miner. Be aware that the USB port MUST be able supply at least 3A This is the link to its thread and it also covers setting up cgminer from Kano's git which with him being the sole remaining active Primary developer of it, it is of course the latest/greatest.
legendary
Activity: 4466
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
You must have an ASIC - no choice there.
newbie
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I teach a tech class for kids (since 1983) where kids walk out with a free PC they built on day one...

...and they're hammering me to teach them to set up a miner on LINUX, so....

a) I guess CGMINER ... ? Any thoughts?

b) And Kano? Is that a good fit?
hero member
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Merit: 550
God forbid there is no new block found, ever.  That would mean all that hash power would be wasted?

A lot of other Sha256 coins being mined still. 

(trying to jinx the odds here, fingers crossed too).

You could also buy some girl scout cookies. 
member
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If anyone used FHash lately please confirm the port as all the following ports got refused 3333, 80, 81, 443 and 8080

all is good now

raise pool diff to 500,001
remove : that's before the port
remove stratum. subdomain (((I used nya. for safety)
legendary
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member
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I should also add one more comment about mining solo here Smiley

I won't support high BTC mining group runs in the discord channel.

These represent high risk high BTC gambling on rentals with an expected loss.
If it's on MRR is a much higher expected loss also.

We have a solo fun run in the discord channel, with about a 1 in 1000 chance each run.
Most people can afford the small amount to join in, and no one is selling their house or livelihood to get involved.

Just to confirm I don't join groups I risk for myself only, and I was planning on 1 EH/s rentals from nicehash 24-72 hours a time is there's an issue in that or as long as it's for personal use only its okay? I am testing now some strategies with low hash rate then will go for this so I fully understand what I'll be doing won't consider it a gambling for me.

Especially that I will do this regularly on monthly basis not one or two times.
Well I will point out that stats and 'house edge' say that you do expect to lose doing this long term.
The more blocks you find, the closer to expected results you will get.
The 'expected' result, when rental mining, is a loss.

Rental expects you to pay more BTC than you are expected to mine.
On MRR it is always much more, and currently on fuckhash it is difficult to get an ongoing run with a low house edge.
Wiggie, who runs the fun run, manages to keep it in the low 3-5% range at the moment due to not trying to over bid the high rollers.

But, if what you are doing is not a group run, not trying to convince others to risk large amount of BTC, then it's up to you.
Of course I have no issue with discord channel discussion helping with your own solo mining on the pool.
Just be sure you do understand the statistics of what you are doing - and ask away in discord if you need help understanding it all.

i dont have discord account but will create one and join thank you again

can someone post the discord group link
legendary
Activity: 4466
Merit: 1798
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I should also add one more comment about mining solo here Smiley

I won't support high BTC mining group runs in the discord channel.

These represent high risk high BTC gambling on rentals with an expected loss.
If it's on MRR is a much higher expected loss also.

We have a solo fun run in the discord channel, with about a 1 in 1000 chance each run.
Most people can afford the small amount to join in, and no one is selling their house or livelihood to get involved.

Just to confirm I don't join groups I risk for myself only, and I was planning on 1 EH/s rentals from nicehash 24-72 hours a time is there's an issue in that or as long as it's for personal use only its okay? I am testing now some strategies with low hash rate then will go for this so I fully understand what I'll be doing won't consider it a gambling for me.

Especially that I will do this regularly on monthly basis not one or two times.
Well I will point out that stats and 'house edge' say that you do expect to lose doing this long term.
The more blocks you find, the closer to expected results you will get.
The 'expected' result, when rental mining, is a loss.

Rental expects you to pay more BTC than you are expected to mine.
On MRR it is always much more, and currently on fuckhash it is difficult to get an ongoing run with a low house edge.
Wiggie, who runs the fun run, manages to keep it in the low 3-5% range at the moment due to not trying to over bid the high rollers.

But, if what you are doing is not a group run, not trying to convince others to risk large amount of BTC, then it's up to you.
Of course I have no issue with discord channel discussion helping with your own solo mining on the pool.
Just be sure you do understand the statistics of what you are doing - and ask away in discord if you need help understanding it all.
member
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I should also add one more comment about mining solo here Smiley

I won't support high BTC mining group runs in the discord channel.

These represent high risk high BTC gambling on rentals with an expected loss.
If it's on MRR is a much higher expected loss also.

We have a solo fun run in the discord channel, with about a 1 in 1000 chance each run.
Most people can afford the small amount to join in, and no one is selling their house or livelihood to get involved.

Just to confirm I don't join groups I risk for myself only, and I was planning on 1 EH/s rentals from nicehash 24-72 hours a time is there's an issue in that or as long as it's for personal use only its okay? I am testing now some strategies with low hash rate then will go for this so I fully understand what I'll be doing won't consider it a gambling for me.

Especially that I will do this regularly on monthly basis not one or two times.
legendary
Activity: 4466
Merit: 1798
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I should also add one more comment about mining solo here Smiley

I won't support high BTC mining group runs in the discord channel.

These represent high risk high BTC gambling on rentals with an expected loss.
If it's on MRR is a much higher expected loss also.

We have a solo fun run in the discord channel, with about a 1 in 1000 chance each run.
Most people can afford the small amount to join in, and no one is selling their house or livelihood to get involved.
member
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why use kano over ck?
can I use nicehash?
Fee is only 0.5% vs 2%, yes NH works fine

the risk is that kano takes the money then I have to ask to withdraw it right? not mining to my address directly like ck?
I'm wondering where this risk claim comes from?
And no, you don't have to ask to withdraw it, I just send it like every other of the 2433 blocks we've found on the pool.

I've paid out a couple hundred million $ in BTC over the years, over 46000 BTC, and I'm apparently now going to do a runner on the next block?
Why exactly do you suggest this might happen?

And ... you don't seem to care the clearly documented risks, of ck losing many blocks due to his negligence ...
Read the three posts starting here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61754241

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sending to the user wallet directly is way better even if they pump the fees to 1% but don't act as a middle man when its not required in case of solo that's a strange intention
How is that a strange intention?

That's how my pool has worked for almost 9 years now paying out all that BTC.
All I've added is accounting changes for people who want to flag their account as solo.
They get all the reward of any block they find, and no reward of any block a pplns miner finds.
No changes to mining, just accounting.

Heck, even the last block the pool found, I found it testing solo rental diff issues - that pesky 'minimum difficulty' issue required for rentals.
Then I paid it out to all the pplns miners and none for the account I used to mine it.
Yet you claim I might be out to steal your BTC ... ... ... ...

I do also find the discussion in the ck thread bizarre coz ck likes to ignore things.
For example all the pool block luck comments people make in there are based on false information.
The pool does not report luck correctly, and is often quite far from correct, and he knows it.

I provide the most accurate, up to date, and best stats of any pool, the most transparent data about each reward and payout.
I run a world wide block distribution network of mining nodes to ensure our blocks get out on the world wide network as fast as possible.
ck runs a single node in some corner of the US, that he doesn't even always pay for, and hopes that's good enough ...

I don't disappear off, then make statement about not being able to access the pool, like ck does on occasion.
Hopefully nothing else ever goes wrong hey, while you wait for him ... even though you are paying him 4 times as much ...

Thank you for the response

just to keep it clear I am new in solo mining maybe a week or something, and saw the ck pool thread and its first time today to see yours. That's why I wondered why 2% or 0.5% specially the pitch there is good " No frills, no fuss 2% fee anonymous solo bitcoin mining for everyone. No registration required, no payment schemes no pool op wallets "

Frankly, i don't know him or you but your response came more personal. What I asked was in good intention instead of adding extra headache to yourself could have just setup the pool to allow people to mine to their wallet directly.

I didn't speak about stealing or anything but only better options.

I appreciate your response a lot, and for sure gonna give this pool a go as I see German server while most of unrented power on nicehash is from Europe so it suits that.

Thanks
legendary
Activity: 4466
Merit: 1798
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
why use kano over ck?
can I use nicehash?
Fee is only 0.5% vs 2%, yes NH works fine

the risk is that kano takes the money then I have to ask to withdraw it right? not mining to my address directly like ck?
I'm wondering where this risk claim comes from?
And no, you don't have to ask to withdraw it, I just send it like every other of the 2433 blocks we've found on the pool.

I've paid out a couple hundred million $ in BTC over the years, over 46000 BTC, and I'm apparently now going to do a runner on the next block?
Why exactly do you suggest this might happen?

And ... you don't seem to care the clearly documented risks, of ck losing many blocks due to his negligence ...
Read the three posts starting here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61754241

Quote
sending to the user wallet directly is way better even if they pump the fees to 1% but don't act as a middle man when its not required in case of solo that's a strange intention
How is that a strange intention?

That's how my pool has worked for almost 9 years now paying out all that BTC.
All I've added is accounting changes for people who want to flag their account as solo.
They get all the reward of any block they find, and no reward of any block a pplns miner finds.
No changes to mining, just accounting.

Heck, even the last block the pool found, I found it testing solo rental diff issues - that pesky 'minimum difficulty' issue required for rentals.
Then I paid it out to all the pplns miners and none for the account I used to mine it.
Yet you claim I might be out to steal your BTC ... ... ... ...

I do also find the discussion in the ck thread bizarre coz ck likes to ignore things.
For example all the pool block luck comments people make in there are based on false information.
The pool does not report luck correctly, and is often quite far from correct, and he knows it.

I provide the most accurate, up to date, and best stats of any pool, the most transparent data about each reward and payout.
I run a world wide block distribution network of mining nodes to ensure our blocks get out on the world wide network as fast as possible.
ck runs a single node in some corner of the US, that he doesn't even always pay for, and hopes that's good enough ...

I don't disappear off, then make statement about not being able to access the pool, like ck does on occasion.
Hopefully nothing else ever goes wrong hey, while you wait for him ... even though you are paying him 4 times as much ...
member
Activity: 182
Merit: 35
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why use kano over ck?
can I use nicehash?
Fee is only 0.5% vs 2%, yes NH works fine

the risk is that kano takes the money then I have to ask to withdraw it right? not mining to my address directly like ck?

sending to the user wallet directly is way better even if they pump the fees to 1% but don't act as a middle man when its not required in case of solo that's a strange intention
legendary
Activity: 3612
Merit: 2506
Evil beware: We have waffles!
why use kano over ck?
can I use nicehash?
Fee is only 0.5% vs 2%, yes NH works fine
member
Activity: 182
Merit: 35
STRAIGHT FORWARD
why use kano over ck?

can I use nicehash?
legendary
Activity: 4466
Merit: 1798
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Come join our long running BlockFinders group in the KanoPool#solo discord channel Smiley
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