For me, the difference is that all these truly great coaches gave something new to football - a different philosophy and another dimension.
If you look at Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho - they all have unique styles. Even coaches like Simeone, to another extent.
Zidane did not do that. He just won a lot of trophies with the most expensive football team in the world. Still too early for me to call him a great manager, although his results cannot be denied.
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I don't understand why up to now people still think Zidane is an "average" manager, they sometimes used to say he's just a "lucky" manager, and yet he did what no coach has done yet in the history of Champion's League.
Yes he had Ronaldo at his disposal but for how long was Ronaldo in Real Madrid? He was there for 9 seasons yet Real Madrid won the UCL only once before Zidane arrived
How many La Liga trophies did Real Madrid win since 2009 before Zidane arrived? Only 1 despite having lots of star players like Ozil, Di maria, Alonso, Kaka playing alongside Ronaldo in the early years.
Now convince me how Zidane didn't have any impact.
Zidane is a good coach but to say he is a great coach, it will cause serious debate. It is same as the debate on Pep Guardiola or Lionel Messi. People say Pep was lucky to take over the Barcelona at the golden time of their players: Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquet, blah blah. They can be right at it but Pep shows his great ability to manage team and it is wrong to say he is an average coach. He did not get Champions League after leave Barcelona and it means he was out of luck or lack of something between good and great coach.Yes he had Ronaldo at his disposal but for how long was Ronaldo in Real Madrid? He was there for 9 seasons yet Real Madrid won the UCL only once before Zidane arrived
How many La Liga trophies did Real Madrid win since 2009 before Zidane arrived? Only 1 despite having lots of star players like Ozil, Di maria, Alonso, Kaka playing alongside Ronaldo in the early years.
Now convince me how Zidane didn't have any impact.
Zidane will only be recognized as great player if he takes a coach position in other clubs and get big success.
Mourinho is different, he got success and failures in some clubs but he is adaptive to many national leagues and left his marks on any leagues he worked in. He is a great coach.
Atletico Madrid's defence is very good. If Benzema waiting on the bench in the first half, and watched Atletico Madrid's defenders gameplay closely.
Yeah, Atletico Defenders play very solidly. If Benzema plays as the starter, he won't have the time to analyze how Atletico defenders play at the match. Also, he can save his energy to play all out in the second half. In addition, put another striker in the first half may surprise the Atletico team. But the key is how good Real Madrid defenders to prevent conceding goals. Because let Benzema on the bench may decrease their attacking power.Let's see how Zidane set the strategy!
Atletico Madrid's defence is very good. If Benzema waiting on the bench in the first half, and watched Atletico Madrid's defenders gameplay closely.
Yeah, Atletico Defenders play very solidly. If Benzema plays as the starter, he won't have the time to analyze how Atletico defenders play at the match. Also, he can save his energy to play all out in the second half. In addition, put another striker in the first half may surprise the Atletico team. But the key is how good Real Madrid defenders to prevent conceding goals. Because let Benzema on the bench may decrease their attacking power.Let's see how Zidane set the strategy!
They done it With cristiano ronaldo, without him zidane is just average manager, that is the fact.
He is fucked up now and if perez did not make a move on what he should do to zidane in the near future, real madrid will get buried without a single trophy each season passed.
Unless of course if he did bring mbappe and haaland at the same time to bernabeu, everything could be changed for 160°
I don't understand why up to now people still think Zidane is an "average" manager, they sometimes used to say he's just a "lucky" manager, and yet he did what no coach has done yet in the history of Champion's League.He is fucked up now and if perez did not make a move on what he should do to zidane in the near future, real madrid will get buried without a single trophy each season passed.
Unless of course if he did bring mbappe and haaland at the same time to bernabeu, everything could be changed for 160°
Yes he had Ronaldo at his disposal but for how long was Ronaldo in Real Madrid? He was there for 9 seasons yet Real Madrid won the UCL only once before Zidane arrived
How many La Liga trophies did Real Madrid win since 2009 before Zidane arrived? Only 1 despite having lots of star players like Ozil, Di maria, Alonso, Kaka playing alongside Ronaldo in the early years.
Now convince me how Zidane didn't have any impact.
They done it With cristiano ronaldo, without him zidane is just average manager, that is the fact.
He is fucked up now and if perez did not make a move on what he should do to zidane in the near future, real madrid will get buried without a single trophy each season passed.
Unless of course if he did bring mbappe and haaland at the same time to bernabeu, everything could be changed for 160°
I don't understand why up to now people still think Zidane is an "average" manager, they sometimes used to say he's just a "lucky" manager, and yet he did what no coach has done yet in the history of Champion's League.He is fucked up now and if perez did not make a move on what he should do to zidane in the near future, real madrid will get buried without a single trophy each season passed.
Unless of course if he did bring mbappe and haaland at the same time to bernabeu, everything could be changed for 160°
Yes he had Ronaldo at his disposal but for how long was Ronaldo in Real Madrid? He was there for 9 seasons yet Real Madrid won the UCL only once before Zidane arrived
How many La Liga trophies did Real Madrid win since 2009 before Zidane arrived? Only 1 despite having lots of star players like Ozil, Di maria, Alonso, Kaka playing alongside Ronaldo in the early years.
Now convince me how Zidane didn't have any impact.
Barcelona are in trouble, they have been for a while now, but they've been in freefall ever since the Bayern result and Messi saying he wanted out. Their descent has been masked to an extent because even a bad Barcelona is still good enough to beat many mediocre teams. But they have zero chance of winning La Liga. Real are better, but not hugely better. I don't think we can see beyond Atletico at the moment for the title, and I'd also expect them to beat Real in the next game.
I think Atletico will be able to beat Real Madrid in the next match. Real Madrid is a good team. But their forward is not very good. Their whole team is dependent on one player. But all Atletico Madrid players try to play well from their own position. So they are getting good results.
I don't know about the divisions in Spain. What would be more important from a sporting point of view, winning the champions league or winning the league title?
In both cases a prestigious battle, only the Champions league will bring in much more money. They should sell Messi as soon as possible.
In both cases a prestigious battle, only the Champions league will bring in much more money. They should sell Messi as soon as possible.
Barcelona are in trouble, they have been for a while now, but they've been in freefall ever since the Bayern result and Messi saying he wanted out. Their descent has been masked to an extent because even a bad Barcelona is still good enough to beat many mediocre teams. But they have zero chance of winning La Liga. Real are better, but not hugely better. I don't think we can see beyond Atletico at the moment for the title, and I'd also expect them to beat Real in the next game.
Real madrid games are not pretty most of the time, but as a fan of real madrid I like it that way because they bring results and that's what matters at the end of each game. I hope we can beat Atletico madrid, because if we can beat altetico madrid then the Top awaits us and with barcelona going through bad times, win La Liga it will be as easy as taking candy from the mouth of a person who is sleeping in the deepest sleep
Barcelona are in trouble, they have been for a while now, but they've been in freefall ever since the Bayern result and Messi saying he wanted out. Their descent has been masked to an extent because even a bad Barcelona is still good enough to beat many mediocre teams. But they have zero chance of winning La Liga. Real are better, but not hugely better. I don't think we can see beyond Atletico at the moment for the title, and I'd also expect them to beat Real in the next game.
Real madrid games are not pretty most of the time, but as a fan of real madrid I like it that way because they bring results and that's what matters at the end of each game. I hope we can beat Atletico madrid, because if we can beat altetico madrid then the Top awaits us and with barcelona going through bad times, win La Liga it will be as easy as taking candy from the mouth of a person who is sleeping in the deepest sleep
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Barcelona are in trouble, they have been for a while now, but they've been in freefall ever since the Bayern result and Messi saying he wanted out. Their descent has been masked to an extent because even a bad Barcelona is still good enough to beat many mediocre teams. But they have zero chance of winning La Liga. Real are better, but not hugely better. I don't think we can see beyond Atletico at the moment for the title, and I'd also expect them to beat Real in the next game.
I think Atletico will be able to beat Real Madrid in the next match. Real Madrid is a good team. But their forward is not very good. Their whole team is dependent on one player. But all Atletico Madrid players try to play well from their own position. So they are getting good results. 
Barcelona are in trouble, they have been for a while now, but they've been in freefall ever since the Bayern result and Messi saying he wanted out. Their descent has been masked to an extent because even a bad Barcelona is still good enough to beat many mediocre teams. But they have zero chance of winning La Liga. Real are better, but not hugely better. I don't think we can see beyond Atletico at the moment for the title, and I'd also expect them to beat Real in the next game.
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This time I can agree with you since Real Madrid only has Benzema as the most experienced striker for the Classic match against Atletico Madrid this week. But there is always a way to win. Maybe Zidane needs to consider putting Benzema on the bench in the first half. Just let Díaz as the starter. Benzema needs at the bench to learn how Atletico Defenders play. Then, he can substitute Díaz in the second half. This is probably a way to score effectively. IMOReal Madrid is not able to play well in the Champions League. I don't like their tactics. Zidane should change their match strategy immediately. Today Real Madrid will play against Gladbach. They has drawn the previous match against Gladbach. Real Madrid must win the match today. Otherwise, they will not be able to go to the next.round
Hahaha you don't like his tactics, but they get him trophies. Don't forget it's the same manager who won Real Madrid 3 consecutive Champion's League trophies. As we speak, the Match has ended Real Madrid 2:0 Borussia Mönchengladbach with Madrid topping the table.He is fucked up now and if perez did not make a move on what he should do to zidane in the near future, real madrid will get buried without a single trophy each season passed.
Unless of course if he did bring mbappe and haaland at the same time to bernabeu, everything could be changed for 160°
@daarul50 I would give Zidane some credit too, but you’re right too because he had Ronaldo and Bale who helped him win many trophy’s. However now if you look at their current squad they don’t have such star player’s which is hurting him. Furthermore in a pandemic year I don’t expect them to make any big signings in the upcoming transfer windows, but post that in 2022 I expect that they’ll spend big money and get big stars like Halland.
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https://en.as.com/en/2020/11/06/football/1604645839_013612.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/soccer/madrid-says-pandemic-cost-club-more-than-100-million-euros/2020/12/02/49cedae6-34e1-11eb-9699-00d311f13d2d_story.html
Real Madrid is not able to play well in the Champions League. I don't like their tactics. Zidane should change their match strategy immediately. Today Real Madrid will play against Gladbach. They has drawn the previous match against Gladbach. Real Madrid must win the match today. Otherwise, they will not be able to go to the next.round
Hahaha you don't like his tactics, but they get him trophies. Don't forget it's the same manager who won Real Madrid 3 consecutive Champion's League trophies. As we speak, the Match has ended Real Madrid 2:0 Borussia Mönchengladbach with Madrid topping the table.He is fucked up now and if perez did not make a move on what he should do to zidane in the near future, real madrid will get buried without a single trophy each season passed.
Unless of course if he did bring mbappe and haaland at the same time to bernabeu, everything could be changed for 160°
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This time I can agree with you since Real Madrid only has Benzema as the most experienced striker for the Classic match against Atletico Madrid this week. But there is always a way to win. Maybe Zidane needs to consider putting Benzema on the bench in the first half. Just let Díaz as the starter. Benzema needs at the bench to learn how Atletico Defenders play. Then, he can substitute Díaz in the second half. This is probably a way to score effectively. IMO
Real Madrid is not able to play well in the Champions League. I don't like their tactics. Zidane should change their match strategy immediately. Today Real Madrid will play against Gladbach. They has drawn the previous match against Gladbach. Real Madrid must win the match today. Otherwise, they will not be able to go to the next.round
Hahaha you don't like his tactics, but they get him trophies. Don't forget it's the same manager who won Real Madrid 3 consecutive Champion's League trophies. As we speak, the Match has ended Real Madrid 2:0 Borussia Mönchengladbach with Madrid topping the table.Real Madrid is not able to play well in the Champions League. I don't like their tactics. Zidane should change their match strategy immediately. Today Real Madrid will play against Gladbach. They has drawn the previous match against Gladbach. Real Madrid must win the match today. Otherwise, they will not be able to go to the next.round
Hahaha you don't like his tactics, but they get him trophies. Don't forget it's the same manager who won Real Madrid 3 consecutive Champion's League trophies. As we speak, the Match has ended Real Madrid 2:0 Borussia Mönchengladbach with Madrid topping the table. 
I also think Atletico Madrid will win against Real.Real will have to fight hard for the win tonight which I think they will be able to win this game.However seeing the stats of each team for me it is a sure thing that Atletico will win or at least will draw as the worst case.Real simply lack the power to stop a team like Atletico in the current conditions.
The two clubs compete at UCL tonight, they must fight to enter the next stage. They have a full schedule this week and both are just as tired. For the league, I chose Madrid to win, even though Madrid is not stable yet. The return of Sergio Ramos will boost Madrid's confidence and that's good for the team. Even though Atletico are at the top, I think Madrid are still able to compete and the results are difficult to predict. legendary
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Most likely Atletico will win against Real Madrid. Real today have a rather tough game with Borussia in the Champions League. And before that they had a game with Sevilla. Plus, Atletico has a pretty strong defense, and Real Benzema. A draw will be considered a victory for Real Madrid. For Atletico this the result is equal to defeat.
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