La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4417.

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Quote from: lifeOK on November 02, 2020, 10:38:41 AM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 02, 2020, 08:51:49 AM

I don't think Barcelona have any chance to be in the top 3 in this season. They have to chance their game strategy. I think their lineup should also change. Messi and Grizmen are not doing well together. Koeman should be more concentrate on this. Grizmen miss many easy chances. It is totally unexpected from a good player. He has to working hard more.

Question is can Ronald Koeman fix Barcelona where many one put a big question mark on his style of managing Barca. What a urgent move by Bartameu to recruit this person. We all enjoyed their game, presently we are facing the dark days as none of the players were settled under his administration.

It's only 6 games played and people start mocking on him badly.

Let him to settle in the club correctly in next few matches , having the same expectation as when Barcelona had xavi, puyol, iniesta, ronaldinho and prime messi won't help the club to get up , it takes ages to bring the old Barcelona. Not even pep guardiola or any coaches can do it.
Barcelona is the next ac milan seems legit now, everyone expects the great Barcelona while the situation are so bold different.
Next 3 Barcelona matches in la liga are against:

Real betis
Atletico
Osasuna

Koeman should get all three points from those matches otherwise the pressure might become more and more crazier.

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Quote from: lifeOK on November 02, 2020, 10:38:41 AM

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 02, 2020, 08:51:49 AM

I don't think Barcelona have any chance to be in the top 3 in this season. They have to chance their game strategy. I think their lineup should also change. Messi and Grizmen are not doing well together. Koeman should be more concentrate on this. Grizmen miss many easy chances. It is totally unexpected from a good player. He has to working hard more.

Question is can Ronald Koeman fix Barcelona where many one put a big question mark on his style of managing Barca. What a urgent move by Bartameu to recruit this person. We all enjoyed their game, presently we are facing the dark days as none of the players were settled under his administration.

Ronald Koeman will find it difficult to change the pattern of Barcelona's game if there is Lionel Messi in the team, and even Satien, the former Barcelona coach who was fired last season, said he had difficulty managing Barcelona because of Messi's unruly character. The same thing will be felt by the current Barcelona coach Ronald Koeman when there is still messi, even from the 5 games that Messi has played this season he has not been able to score goals from open play.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on November 02, 2020, 08:51:49 AM

I don't think Barcelona have any chance to be in the top 3 in this season. They have to chance their game strategy. I think their lineup should also change. Messi and Grizmen are not doing well together. Koeman should be more concentrate on this. Grizmen miss many easy chances. It is totally unexpected from a good player. He has to working hard more.

Question is can Ronald Koeman fix Barcelona where many one put a big question mark on his style of managing Barca. What a urgent move by Bartameu to recruit this person. We all enjoyed their game, presently we are facing the dark days as none of the players were settled under his administration.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 01, 2020, 06:58:56 PM

Even if I'm a Real Madrid fan, but I'm speechless to see the performance of Barcelona lately. What's happening with Barcelona? They never won in the last 4 matches in La Liga and stucked in the 12th position. I've seen the La Liga table for more than 15 years (almost 20 years), but I never saw the worse performance than today. I assume Barcelona needs something new for their new spirit. Maybe a new president, new coach, new strategy, or etc. The point is to bring a new situation to motivate Barcelona players having a higher spirit to win again.

The picture above got from "google search" about the la Liga table.

it is a bad start, but i would not say that it is unexpected, i have already said that do not expect Barcelona to finish within top two, and would not count out the possibility for them to even be fourth at the end
their game is just too predictable, and we all know how they will play, they need some changes to do better, and that will happen throughout the season, for sure, but i am not sure that they could pick up enough to reach position two, title is reserved for Real this season

I don't think Barcelona have any chance to be in the top 3 in this season. They have to chance their game strategy. I think their lineup should also change. Messi and Grizmen are not doing well together. Koeman should be more concentrate on this. Grizmen miss many easy chances. It is totally unexpected from a good player. He has to working hard more.
If someone ask me, who is the best player in Barcelona right now except Messi? I would undoubtedly say it's Ousmane Dembele. I personally enjoy his gameplay much.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 01, 2020, 06:58:56 PM

Even if I'm a Real Madrid fan, but I'm speechless to see the performance of Barcelona lately. What's happening with Barcelona? They never won in the last 4 matches in La Liga and stucked in the 12th position. I've seen the La Liga table for more than 15 years (almost 20 years), but I never saw the worse performance than today. I assume Barcelona needs something new for their new spirit. Maybe a new president, new coach, new strategy, or etc. The point is to bring a new situation to motivate Barcelona players having a higher spirit to win again.

The picture above got from "google search" about the la Liga table.

it is a bad start, but i would not say that it is unexpected, i have already said that do not expect Barcelona to finish within top two, and would not count out the possibility for them to even be fourth at the end
their game is just too predictable, and we all know how they will play, they need some changes to do better, and that will happen throughout the season, for sure, but i am not sure that they could pick up enough to reach position two, title is reserved for Real this season

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on November 01, 2020, 06:58:56 PM

Even if I'm a Real Madrid fan, but I'm speechless to see the performance of Barcelona lately. What's happening with Barcelona? They never won in the last 4 matches in La Liga and stucked in the 12th position. I've seen the La Liga table for more than 15 years (almost 20 years), but I never saw the worse performance than today. I assume Barcelona needs something new for their new spirit. Maybe a new president, new coach, new strategy, or etc. The point is to bring a new situation to motivate Barcelona players having a higher spirit to win again.

The picture above got from "google search" about the la Liga table.

Yeah, i heard something about this while watching the match. Barcelona has the worst start of the season, during first 5 matches from the last 15 years if i remember correctly. They had 2 tough matches against Real and Sevilla but to drop 5 points against teams like Getafe and Alaves is just unacceptable.

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Even if I'm a Real Madrid fan, but I'm speechless to see the performance of Barcelona lately. What's happening with Barcelona? They never won in the last 4 matches in La Liga and stucked in the 12th position. I've seen the La Liga table for more than 15 years (almost 20 years), but I never saw the worse performance than today. I assume Barcelona needs something new for their new spirit. Maybe a new president, new coach, new strategy, or etc. The point is to bring a new situation to motivate Barcelona players having a higher spirit to win again.

The picture above got from "google search" about the la Liga table.

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Quote from: mindrust on November 01, 2020, 06:14:42 AM

There is no team, no manager, no president. Only Messi.

Barcelona = Messi, now.

Messi should direct the team, buy the new players, manage the club's bank accounts and do everything else. Good luck It will work wonderfully.

The poor guy is gonna crack. Wonder know what he was thinking about when he shot the referee. Without forgetting that he is forced to stay with players that many of them forgot how to play football correctly. The goalie nooby mistake cost them the game literally and that Fati opportunity shouldn't be missed too but it happens...

Quote from: AakZaki on November 01, 2020, 01:15:09 PM

Quote from: snipie on October 31, 2020, 04:42:22 PM

Alaves 1-1 Barcelona and 6 minutes left in the game. The problem is Barcelona playing vs 10 players for 30 minutes and the result is still a draw.. Magnificent performance Undecided

It's sad I think they are still like Real Madrid will dominate the league this season. Although the score ended in a draw, Alves played with ten players, since the 62nd minute, after Jota received a second yellow card, unfortunately the peacocks could not take advantage of it. Although the season is still running at the beginning, they are eight points behind the top of the standings. If it continues like this, Barca are ready to lose their favorite team to win the league.

I don't know but I feel ATM can do something in La Liga this season. Simeone shouldn't miss that opportunity seriously! Real isn't at its best form and Barcelona struggling to win. I would say it is now or "never" Roll Eyes

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Quote from: mindrust on November 01, 2020, 06:14:42 AM

There is no team, no manager, no president. Only Messi.

Barcelona = Messi, now.

Messi should direct the team, buy the new players, manage the club's bank accounts and do everything else. Good luck It will work wonderfully.

I can help but wonder what would have happened right now, If have Messi had been allowed to leave Barcelona during the summer window.

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Quote from: slaman29 on November 01, 2020, 04:54:53 AM

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Quote from: snipie on October 31, 2020, 02:23:39 PM

So far so good Real Madrid won with 4 goals, ATM just won too with 3 goals. We will see if Barcelona will win its game against Alaves as expected or not!

I should have followed your advice on Atlético Madrid! I bet on the draw and that's the only game I missed! I was not sure they were going to win again but I was wrong... and lost a nice profit. Next time!

Seriously, this is our worst start since 2002 and that wasn't even the season I remember the most for being shitty, but if we have to force ourselves to fight back and only to get one point? Yes, I know it's Alaves at home and they are sometimes our bogey team but when you give away a goal like we did, impossible to get the confidence unshaken.

And yeah both Madrid teams profit.

@slaman29 yesterday I was expecting Real Madrid to lose their match, but they surprised me by winning it, and on the other hand I believed that Barcelona would easily win their match, however it looks like their poor form continues. Furthermore if the results don’t improve for Barcelona then Koeman will be facing the sack, as the presidential candidate Victor has made it clear that he wants Pep or Xavi to coach Barcelona.

Sources:

https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2020/11/1/21544167/fc-barcelona-news-1-november-2020-barca-held-by-alaves-koeman-worried-by-start

https://www.football-espana.net/2020/10/30/barcelona-presidential-hopeful-victor-font-wants-man-city-boss-pep-guardiola-to-return

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12448734/barcelona-koeman-sack-xavi-font-bartomeu/

I agree with having Pep back, but not Xavi... Xavi wouldn't do any better than Koeman is doing right now, but with Pep I would expect a new team construction, which is the only thing Barca needs right now.

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Quote from: mindrust on November 01, 2020, 06:14:42 AM

There is no team, no manager, no president. Only Messi.

Barcelona = Messi, now.

Messi should direct the team, buy the new players, manage the club's bank accounts and do everything else. Good luck It will work wonderfully.

You are saying this like it is a joke but it has been a while like that. I mean sure it is technically not like that and as we have seen from the last president if you do not do what Messi says you have that right, he sent Suarez away, so you can actually do what you want but if you do not get great results that mistake of going against Messi will be end of your job. Which is why Messi has been the owner and everything of Barcelona for a while now.

However even if it hurts the team right now or not, Messi being everything to this club makes sense, this is the same person that took Barcelona from a regular good team into sextuple in a season type of team, he brought in sooooo many cups and I think he deserves to have this much influence over the team he brought in so much.

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Quote from: snipie on October 31, 2020, 04:42:22 PM

Alaves 1-1 Barcelona and 6 minutes left in the game. The problem is Barcelona playing vs 10 players for 30 minutes and the result is still a draw.. Magnificent performance Undecided

It's sad I think they are still like Real Madrid will dominate the league this season. Although the score ended in a draw, Alves played with ten players, since the 62nd minute, after Jota received a second yellow card, unfortunately the peacocks could not take advantage of it. Although the season is still running at the beginning, they are eight points behind the top of the standings. If it continues like this, Barca are ready to lose their favorite team to win the league.

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Barcelona needs Ter Stegen more than Messi at the moment. Barcelona's defense never played well and Stegen made up for the shortcomings with his game.

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It was terrible to see that barcelona could not even defeat 10 man from their opponent. it was with 30 minutes to play, you expect at least a win for them.
they never should have let go suarez. and now they already 6 points behind real madrid.

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Quote from: mindrust on November 01, 2020, 06:14:42 AM

There is no team, no manager, no president. Only Messi.

Barcelona = Messi, now.

Messi should direct the team, buy the new players, manage the club's bank accounts and do everything else. Good luck It will work wonderfully.

I agree with you, Barcelona needs drastic change. Taking about performance definitely teams are getting worst which the board and coach didn't want to admit, yet the outcome are demonstrating so now. This is what you can expect when our coach Koeman doesn't rely on our most ideal players in the field. However, The players need more chemistry because they’re not linking up!

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on November 01, 2020, 07:33:06 AM

[Still, i'll back the Green-and-Whites today, this is probably the most winnable match they've had in the last month in terms of quality of quality of squad, players, etc of the opposing team...\

Look like your decision to fight with Betis is the right decision, 27" Tello add another goal for Betis and now leading 2 - 0. From the shots data, till 30" Elche still failed to makes any shot. Elche need to do something for their attacking proccess. If not, they will be more hard to create a goal on the 2nd half. In other side, Betis very possible to create another goal on the 2nd half or maybe before first half ended.

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Quote from: slaman29 on November 01, 2020, 04:54:53 AM

Quote from: Karartma1 on November 01, 2020, 04:14:36 AM

Quote from: snipie on October 31, 2020, 02:23:39 PM

So far so good Real Madrid won with 4 goals, ATM just won too with 3 goals. We will see if Barcelona will win its game against Alaves as expected or not!

I should have followed your advice on Atlético Madrid! I bet on the draw and that's the only game I missed! I was not sure they were going to win again but I was wrong... and lost a nice profit. Next time!

Seriously, this is our worst start since 2002 and that wasn't even the season I remember the most for being shitty, but if we have to force ourselves to fight back and only to get one point? Yes, I know it's Alaves at home and they are sometimes our bogey team but when you give away a goal like we did, impossible to get the confidence unshaken.

And yeah both Madrid teams profit.

@slaman29 yesterday I was expecting Real Madrid to lose their match, but they surprised me by winning it, and on the other hand I believed that Barcelona would easily win their match, however it looks like their poor form continues. Furthermore if the results don’t improve for Barcelona then Koeman will be facing the sack, as the presidential candidate Victor has made it clear that he wants Pep or Xavi to coach Barcelona.

Sources:

https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2020/11/1/21544167/fc-barcelona-news-1-november-2020-barca-held-by-alaves-koeman-worried-by-start

https://www.football-espana.net/2020/10/30/barcelona-presidential-hopeful-victor-font-wants-man-city-boss-pep-guardiola-to-return

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12448734/barcelona-koeman-sack-xavi-font-bartomeu/

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Quote from: casperBGD on October 30, 2020, 02:12:51 PM

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Quote from: Porfirii on October 26, 2020, 04:57:51 PM

One little question,

If I'm not wrong, Spain will go into lockdown tonight. How will it affect the Liga? In a first moment, it seems that displacements will be allowed for work, so players will be able to travel and play, but what happens if in a few weeks/months the measures toughen? Will the Liga be suspended?

And on the other hand, the stadiums are empty, how long do you think some teams can stand with the subsequent decrease of income?

the teams go first of all to reduce the salaries of the players and club employees, do not make transfers. plus some of the club's payroll was unloaded by selling players with a big paycheck. I think they will continue to play games, but there will be tight control of the players' health.

yeah, and one should count on the fact that most of income is from TV rights, it is not from full stadiums, so this income will continue, especially now when they play all matches at different time, so that one can watch all matches without interruption, this will enlarge TV rights check for many clubs, and provide steady revenue for them
on the other hand, they can always reduce salaries to their players, as all other businesses do for their employees

That's right, but income from TV rights is especially high from bars and clubs and many will have to close their doors or, at least, reduce the capacity by at least a %50, so it's no longer profitable the ROI for them if they have to pay these rights.

Rights from particulars will keep on giving high income, but there will be a loss for them, anyway.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on October 31, 2020, 04:21:03 PM

[not so] fun fact [for Barca fans] : In the last 4 years, Alaves have never lost a home game after scoring the 1-0. Source

huh, Alaves have it pretty easy at home, they just need to go all-out attack in the first half of every match, score and then they're pretty much garanteed a good result LOL

anyhow, three more matches today, but i'll keep my eyes on Betis - Elche. The former are going through a rough patch right now (1W in 5 matches), they'll face newly promoted side Elche who are unbeaten in the last 4 matches. Still, i'll back the Green-and-Whites today, this is probably the most winnable match they've had in the last month in terms of quality of quality of squad, players, etc of the opposing team...so surely the 39 years old legend Joaquin got the team motivated as hell to get the 3 pts, no? go, warriors!

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Quote from: CryptocurencyKing on November 01, 2020, 05:20:41 AM

Could this be the downfall of FC Barcelona, the quality of players has drastically dropped, it's management board set for a planned resignation and they've been performing rather poorly at the games. Imagine how Alaves managed to hold them down to a 1-1 draw with Deportivo Alaves having just 10 men on the pitch. The red card seemed not to make a lot of difference though, the final minutes of the game was tensed, lots of shots and a lot was on target but, Fernando Pacheco had all his net in check.

Real Madrid seems to be having a pretty much go in the league, winning yesterdays game R. Madrid 4-1 SD Huesca and now tops the league with 8 points clear from FC Barcelona and 2 points clear from Real sociedad at second place. FCB really needs to start winning matches.

I was also speechless seeing Barcelona's poor performance, Barcelona should have won against Alaves, especially when Alaves got a red card.
Like Barcelona players have experienced a decline in quality, I even doubt that this season Barcelona can enter the top 3. Very different from
Real Madrid's very convincing appearance. Now Barcelona is ranked 12, with the last 5 matches in La Liga only managed to win one. It's the
start of a very bad season for Barcelona.

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I also never understood why Barcelona appointed that coach Koeman. He has only failed all the clubs where he has coached. Were better alternatives.
First step must be to get rid of Griezmann. He is not even a shine of the player that was so successful for Atletico Madrid.

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