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Quote from: plr on August 17, 2020, 09:55:59 PM

Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 17, 2020, 03:48:45 PM

Places here in our province are so strict the reason why the people are really following the procedures, they are even requiring now people to wear face shields. Strict protocols might decrease their increasing cases, though this is still a casino, bars are available here so there are a lot of people influenced by alcohol, not following rules is really inevitable at these places.

Face shields are ok and highly recommended but that doesn't guaranty that you are 100% safe because we are against an invisible enemy so this kind of case in court will not have a chance because people will have a hard time proving where they contacted the virus, is it really in the casinos or when they are travelling or a store, there is no exact place to pin point.

I guess that is why it falls to the hands of the people to keep theirselves safe.

Face masks and Face shields can protect us from being contaminated, wearing those could protect us but we can't say that these casinos are wanting to take those off for them to sue these casinos, right? It falls all over to that people is he/she disinfect his/her face shield and face mask when they go home. It is not the fault of the casinos if we will be basing that to what you've said.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 17, 2020, 03:48:45 PM

Places here in our province are so strict the reason why the people are really following the procedures, they are even requiring now people to wear face shields. Strict protocols might decrease their increasing cases, though this is still a casino, bars are available here so there are a lot of people influenced by alcohol, not following rules is really inevitable at these places.

Face shields are ok and highly recommended but that doesn't guaranty that you are 100% safe because we are against an invisible enemy so this kind of case in court will not have a chance because people will have a hard time proving where they contacted the virus, is it really in the casinos or when they are travelling or a store, there is no exact place to pin point.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 17, 2020, 03:48:45 PM

Quote from: maydna on August 16, 2020, 10:52:43 PM

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Places here in our province are so strict the reason why the people are really following the procedures, they are even requiring now people to wear face shields. Strict protocols might decrease their increasing cases, though this is still a casino, bars are available here so there are a lot of people influenced by alcohol, not following rules is really inevitable at these places.

I see that not many people are using face shields in the public area or local stores, but almost all of them wear a mask. But I think it would be good if the casino has rules that will ask the visitor to use a face shield besides wearing a mask. That can prevent the virus from spreading in the casino, and people should use those two things before they play gambling in the casino.

If strict health protocols can be applied in all places and people have the awareness to protect themselves, that can decrease the number of infected people. People will always care about their health while they are in the public area.

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Quote from: pikkie on August 16, 2020, 06:58:22 PM

...maybe the best solution is to provide some distance for everyone from the entrance to the gaming table.

Still, they are exchanging cards, chips which are a way for people to transfer the virus. It is really hard to implement the protocols especially to these kinds of places. I think the best thing they could do is just follow the protocols the casino is implementing.

Quote from: maydna on August 16, 2020, 10:52:43 PM

If we see what happens now in many places, people tend to don't care about the protocols. Many of them are not wearing a mask in the public area. The police and related organizations from the government always remind them to follow the rules and the protocols, and if they still break, people will get fine.

Places here in our province are so strict the reason why the people are really following the procedures, they are even requiring now people to wear face shields. Strict protocols might decrease their increasing cases, though this is still a casino, bars are available here so there are a lot of people influenced by alcohol, not following rules is really inevitable at these places.

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Quote from: peter0425 on August 16, 2020, 11:40:33 AM

Also, there's chances that the one who file this lawsuit are only waiting for settlement.

Both sides needs to spend time and money while the procedure is moving, there's a chance that both lawyers
will bring their best offers in order to end it up much quicker, most of the time money speak louder than anything.

Filing lawsuits claiming discrimination and risk has become a very big business in the United States. The unethical lawyers encourage their clients to file lawsuits for the silliest of the reasons and then the judges will impose disproportionate penalties on the accused. If the business is small or medium-sized, then most probably it will go bankrupt. In case of the casinos, they have access to quality resources and therefore the other side may find going tough.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 16, 2020, 06:55:00 PM

Quote from: Wawa2013 on August 16, 2020, 06:30:32 PM

As long as Las Vegas casinos do not violate the regulations set by the government, there is no need to fear lawsuits.
If proven guilty and violating the established rules, of course, Las Vegas casinos must accept the consequences.
Therefore, always obey the applicable regulations if don't want to be subject to legal prosecution.

I don't even know how will they prove these casinos to be the reason these people got the virus. It might be their fault why they are even have the virus. I guess this really falls into the psychology as @Janation said, if they got the virus they tend to blame someone or anyone. As far as I know these casinos are following the protocols, it is the people that are not actually following it.

If the casino can strict to the people who want to come to their place, the casino can defend themselves in the lawsuits because they can prove that they always follow the protocols. When someone blames the casino that is the place of virus spreading, the casino will give the proof to the law, and the jury will see which is right and wrong.

If we see what happens now in many places, people tend to don't care about the protocols. Many of them are not wearing a mask in the public area. The police and related organizations from the government always remind them to follow the rules and the protocols, and if they still break, people will get fine.

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The Coronavirus is affecting workers in Las Vegas and the lawsuits are being introduced because they are supported due the workers are not receiving the security measures for the Covid19.

In the report, it mentions two lawsuits filed by the Culinary Union against MGM Resorts and Caesars Entertainment.

Geoconda Argüello-Kline, Secretary-Treasurer for the Culinary Union, said:
"Workers who make this city run deserve to be protected and they are at risk everyday."

Coronavirus it is not a game, it is underestimated because it is silent and because in some cases the symptoms are mild.
I also see that it is incredible that the managers of these emblematic places in Las Vegas did not act with due protocol to protect their workers from Covid19.

In my country the workers are protected by face masks, eyes, head, gloves. When customers enter the establishment, they measure their temperature, and spray their hands with actibacterial gel, in some places they spray their hands with vinegar. I heard recently that those who do not smell the vinegar are suspected of Covid19.

In summary, the Lawsuits in this case are fair and it is time to react. Covid19 is lethal and the entities to whom it is responsible must safeguard the lives of their workers in these difficult times.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/culinary-drops-two-lawsuits-against-mgm-leaves-caesars-lawsuit-in-place/

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 16, 2020, 06:55:00 PM

Quote from: Wawa2013 on August 16, 2020, 06:30:32 PM

As long as Las Vegas casinos do not violate the regulations set by the government, there is no need to fear lawsuits.
If proven guilty and violating the established rules, of course, Las Vegas casinos must accept the consequences.
Therefore, always obey the applicable regulations if don't want to be subject to legal prosecution.

I don't even know how will they prove these casinos to be the reason these people got the virus. It might be their fault why they are even have the virus. I guess this really falls into the psychology as @Janation said, if they got the virus they tend to blame someone or anyone. As far as I know these casinos are following the protocols, it is the people that are not actually following it.

so far the gambling places that have been visited like the ones circulating in Las Vegas are still very few people who use their masks don't think about the virus, they only think about the profits that can be obtained from gambling venues, maybe the best solution is to provide some distance for everyone from the entrance to the gaming table.

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Quote from: Wawa2013 on August 16, 2020, 06:30:32 PM

As long as Las Vegas casinos do not violate the regulations set by the government, there is no need to fear lawsuits.
If proven guilty and violating the established rules, of course, Las Vegas casinos must accept the consequences.
Therefore, always obey the applicable regulations if don't want to be subject to legal prosecution.

I don't even know how will they prove these casinos to be the reason these people got the virus. It might be their fault why they are even have the virus. I guess this really falls into the psychology as @Janation said, if they got the virus they tend to blame someone or anyone. As far as I know these casinos are following the protocols, it is the people that are not actually following it.

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As long as Las Vegas casinos do not violate the regulations set by the government, there is no need to fear lawsuits.
If proven guilty and violating the established rules, of course, Las Vegas casinos must accept the consequences.
Therefore, always obey the applicable regulations if don't want to be subject to legal prosecution.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on August 15, 2020, 09:00:00 AM

Las Vegas Casinos Scared of Lawsuits ?? any company big or small are scared of lawsuits this means that they have to spend for their lawyers and take time to attend hearings or their representative and it might harm their reputation

They want to be exempted if there will be a complaint against them.

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on August 15, 2020, 09:00:00 AM

I don't think any case against casinos about COVID infection will stand it's hard to prove where one gets a COVID, victims will have to prove their case.

They can contact trace and if they have their own method, they'll disclose it to the authorities and show that they have no cause. But the authorities can still find them cause if ever the infected person insists that their casino is the only establishment he/she has visited.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on August 16, 2020, 08:10:04 AM

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on August 15, 2020, 09:00:00 AM

Las Vegas Casinos Scared of Lawsuits ?? any company big or small are scared of lawsuits this means that they have to spend for their lawyers and take time to attend hearings or their representative and it might harm their reputation, but I don't think any case against casinos about COVID infection will stand it's hard to prove where one gets a COVID, victims will have to prove their case.

All this is correct and in the end the individual who files the lawsuit may end up on the losing side. But it is going to take a lot of time and effort in fighting these frivolous lawsuits. And the worst part is that the American courts have a habit of handing down extremely heavy fines for the silliest of the reasons. There is widespread misuse of the judicial system, not just in the US but across the globe.

Also, there's chances that the one who file this lawsuit are only waiting for settlement.

Both sides needs to spend time and money while the procedure is moving, there's a chance that both lawyers
will bring their best offers in order to end it up much quicker, most of the time money speak louder than anything.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on August 15, 2020, 09:00:00 AM

Las Vegas Casinos Scared of Lawsuits ?? any company big or small are scared of lawsuits this means that they have to spend for their lawyers and take time to attend hearings or their representative and it might harm their reputation, but I don't think any case against casinos about COVID infection will stand it's hard to prove where one gets a COVID, victims will have to prove their case.

All this is correct and in the end the individual who files the lawsuit may end up on the losing side. But it is going to take a lot of time and effort in fighting these frivolous lawsuits. And the worst part is that the American courts have a habit of handing down extremely heavy fines for the silliest of the reasons. There is widespread misuse of the judicial system, not just in the US but across the globe.

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Quote from: South Park on August 15, 2020, 01:56:46 PM

Quote from: Janation on August 11, 2020, 08:09:34 PM

I am thinking how will they do that.

Trace every place that individuals went through the day or the other? With a lot of things happening right now, isn't that a waste of time? Either way, he/she wouldn't be getting the virus if she is in his/her house and not going to these places where the virus would obviously there lying dormant. They wanted to play in these casinos, obviously, they are risking themselves in getting the virus. This is also their fault.

The only ones that could somehow demonstrate that they got infected in the casino will be the persons that stay in some sort of lockdown but that only go out to play at the casino, however I really think that the subset of people that will do something like that is incredibly low, after all if you're willing to go to the casino to get some fun most likely you're willing to also visit a bar, your family, buy groceries, exercise in a public park and an endless list of activities that you can do outside and as such it will be impossible to demonstrate that you got infected at the casino.

That is so true.

People could get it from a lot of places that leads us to a conclusion that I think this is not them suing the casinos because they really wanted to but I guess in this pandemic when people get contaminated by the virus, they will be blaming someone and that leads to suing casinos and even people. Usually this is all blame game that's happening.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/memory-medic/202004/the-covid-19-blame-game

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Quote from: Janation on August 11, 2020, 08:09:34 PM

Quote from: bitbunnny on August 10, 2020, 11:58:36 AM

I agree there is no ground for lawsuit unless people who get infected can prove that they got infected in exactly defined casino that hasn't respected all prescribed measures. And that is not very likely to happen.

I am thinking how will they do that.

Trace every place that individuals went through the day or the other? With a lot of things happening right now, isn't that a waste of time? Either way, he/she wouldn't be getting the virus if she is in his/her house and not going to these places where the virus would obviously there lying dormant. They wanted to play in these casinos, obviously, they are risking themselves in getting the virus. This is also their fault.

The only ones that could somehow demonstrate that they got infected in the casino will be the persons that stay in some sort of lockdown but that only go out to play at the casino, however I really think that the subset of people that will do something like that is incredibly low, after all if you're willing to go to the casino to get some fun most likely you're willing to also visit a bar, your family, buy groceries, exercise in a public park and an endless list of activities that you can do outside and as such it will be impossible to demonstrate that you got infected at the casino.

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Las Vegas Casinos Scared of Lawsuits ?? any company big or small are scared of lawsuits this means that they have to spend for their lawyers and take time to attend hearings or their representative and it might harm their reputation, but I don't think any case against casinos about COVID infection will stand it's hard to prove where one gets a COVID, victims will have to prove their case.

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Quote from: carriebee on August 15, 2020, 05:31:45 AM

Quote from: mirakal on August 15, 2020, 04:33:53 AM

Quote from: Questat on August 14, 2020, 05:24:14 AM

If we want to help these people in the casino, we have to go out.

Gamblers go out and play in a casino but it's not their purpose, it's not helping the casino to generate income but to make money.

But, we will lose even if we don't want to experience it, that's because they have the edge and sometimes we are so unrealistic.
Who would want to get entertain outside when the risk is very high, of course this people are aiming for money.

This is the reality even there is pandemic people still go out to make money. Some are being addicted that cannot even passed the day without go and playing in a casino. The risks is high but people do not believe in this pandemic happening even in the Us some do not bother to wear mask.

US is the country that has been experiencing the increased dear compared to rest of the countries. They've taken more preventive measures as well as increased the testing, but in between they started to concentrate on the economy. Based on that more relaxation were provided on each and everything, and this is the reason for the increased death. These days online casinos give the real-time experience of being in a casino. Gamblers can make use of it during this pandemic.

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Quote from: carriebee on August 15, 2020, 05:31:45 AM

Quote from: mirakal on August 15, 2020, 04:33:53 AM

Quote from: Questat on August 14, 2020, 05:24:14 AM

If we want to help these people in the casino, we have to go out.

Gamblers go out and play in a casino but it's not their purpose, it's not helping the casino to generate income but to make money.

But, we will lose even if we don't want to experience it, that's because they have the edge and sometimes we are so unrealistic.
Who would want to get entertain outside when the risk is very high, of course this people are aiming for money.

This is the reality even there is pandemic people still go out to make money. Some are being addicted that cannot even passed the day without go and playing in a casino. The risks is high but people do not believe in this pandemic happening even in the Us some do not bother to wear mask.

really ? thats suck while we, we buy mask , face shields and everything just to follow what are told to us .

no matter how we protect our self to slow the spread , we cant stop violators . going out to play gambling is allowed now but they should wear protection atleast because its not only for thier own good but its for the community as a whole . gambling owners already help us in a way that they open on this kind of situation , its our turn to help in return by following simple instructions .

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Quote from: Janation on August 14, 2020, 02:40:56 AM

Quote from: Questat on August 13, 2020, 06:27:18 PM

Quote from: FlightyPouch on August 13, 2020, 06:21:06 PM

Quote from: cabron on August 12, 2020, 09:26:24 AM

I don't think that is always right, it is just that we can't accept that we also have the mistakes. Like, for example there are a lot of people that are forcing themselves to gamble in these casinos instead of doing it online which makes themselves close to the virus and being contaminated and then they will be blaming these casinos for that. They aren't earning enough but still, they are earning and that means a lot of people are still going in there.

As long as they can pay their employees and can pay taxes to the government, I think that's already enough.
The risk is almost anywhere especially in places where people gathers but that's it, we have to live with the virus on our daily living, because if we stop, we might die in hunger, that's what the government thinking on why they allow casinos to operate despite of the pandemic, we should not question that.

I think that is the risk they've taken.

If they chose to contaminate the virus, I think they would be focussing on having strict lockdowns but they should balance the two that is why they are maintaining the economy in a certain point but that is still affected by the pandemic going on. This is the best option they have, it is a risk but it is a risk they need to take. These lawsuits would be useless since these casinos can defend themselves with a lot of ways for them to get the virus.

Balancing the economy to the detriment of citizens shouldn't be involve in this regard as it has to do with the protection of lives. The sole responsibility of a good government is to ensure the citizens lives are kept to their best of their ability. In this case, allowing the casinos to go fully into operations without the consideration of the citizens is uncalled for. This virus is found where crowded gathering is and we'll know how physical casinos are always crowded.

In conclusion, saving the economy during this time through allowing the casinos go fully into operations shouldn't be the first priority of the government.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 15, 2020, 04:33:53 AM

Quote from: Questat on August 14, 2020, 05:24:14 AM

If we want to help these people in the casino, we have to go out.

Gamblers go out and play in a casino but it's not their purpose, it's not helping the casino to generate income but to make money.

But, we will lose even if we don't want to experience it, that's because they have the edge and sometimes we are so unrealistic.
Who would want to get entertain outside when the risk is very high, of course this people are aiming for money.

This is the reality even there is pandemic people still go out to make money. Some are being addicted that cannot even passed the day without go and playing in a casino. The risks is high but people do not believe in this pandemic happening even in the Us some do not bother to wear mask.

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