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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 06, 2020, 08:16:16 AM

@acroman08 the thread you’re referring to was started by me

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/las-vegas-casinos-are-open-end-of-the-pandemic-era-5253684

yeah, that's the thread that I am talking about

Quote from: Juggy777 on August 06, 2020, 08:16:16 AM

At this stage I’m not really sure if the casinos actually failed to deploy the necessary safety measures, and further if those gamblers don’t have solid proof against those casinos then this case won’t stand in the court of law.

the lawsuit may not hold in court if the complainant doesn't have enough evidence to prove his claim but judging by the casino owners reaction about the filed complaint against them it is clear that they have failed or hasn't implemented proper protocols on their establishment.

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Quote from: mardaed on August 07, 2020, 10:14:59 AM

During this time of uncertainties and risk caused by the global pandemic, it is not ideal for business such as casinos to open up their physical space. I think that it would be more appropriate and safer to open up their online casino sites keeping up with the new normal working system of society, online interactions.

You know what, if the owners can afford to stop the operation they will, but they know there are people who will lose their job if they will stop and that would be another problem since the government has to extend some help to this people. Actually, any business that could risk ourselves in getting outside is not idea, however, if the government will stop them, it will cause for the economy to collapse.

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Quote from: cabron on August 06, 2020, 01:46:22 PM

They still didn't realize they have helped the number of deaths to increase because of opening the casinos in their area. But instead of taking responsibility and do the right thing, they plead to exclude them from lawsuits. How convenient is this for them?

This is just a conlcusion of yours, I supposed. Coz we don't really know if there are people who have fetched the virus in their area, though the chances are high since virus can live in surfaces up to hours but still we can't just be this assumable. If they are following strict protocols, such as individual medication, any proof of quarantined days that they have gone by then they could be inside the casino, on top of the protective gears that they will require for each and every one. It is a both end responsibility after all, if you wanted to play but is feeling sick why would you push yourself for doing so?

Quote from: cabron on August 06, 2020, 01:46:22 PM

Its time for them to face the consequences of their action but even this they are trying to get away while during the pandemic they are trying to keep earning while the rest are mourning. Good job mayor.

yeah if it is proven that they contributed to the number, they could be possibly shut down but not really a lawsuit, no one wants that to happen, all they want is a source of tax.

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During this time of uncertainties and risk caused by the global pandemic, it is not ideal for business such as casinos to open up their physical space. I think that it would be more appropriate and safer to open up their online casino sites keeping up with the new normal working system of society, online interactions.

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Vegas will only be afraid if they are not implementing the protocol directed to them.
People will complain things like;

Quote from: fiulpro on August 06, 2020, 01:30:26 AM

Lawsuits like *I got infected here , there was no sanitization* and boom , you are in the news and finally the casino needs to be shut down.

But if Vegas are confident that they implement and follow the rules, they should not ask for something that they know a government can't grant.

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They still didn't realize they have helped the number of deaths to increase because of opening the casinos in their area. But instead of taking responsibility and do the right thing, they plead to exclude them from lawsuits. How convenient is this for them?

Its time for them to face the consequences of their action but even this they are trying to get away while during the pandemic they are trying to keep earning while the rest are mourning. Good job mayor.

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Quote from: swogerino on August 06, 2020, 08:10:49 AM

The countries which has contained better the virus have used strict protocol measures to keep the virus from spreading.This countries beside following the guidelines they also imposed people even in building elevators to wear masks otherwise they would not let people without masks use the elevators.

FACT CHECK - There are countries that imposed a very strict lockdown during the early stage of the pandemic, around March they already implemented a total lockdown, citizens are just on their home, market is the one that is doing the door to door for the people and it resulted to slow down and better containing of the virus. What did the Las Vegas did is that they opened the casinos because that is the heart of their economy, maybe their mayor have already experiencing a dilemma between the store owners, and so she did open it. But if there are heavily followed protocols there wouldn't be much of an infection, besides it is not only the casino who needs to follow, the people should too.

Quote from: swogerino on August 06, 2020, 08:10:49 AM

The casinos who want to be spared from being filed against should offer the maximum hygiene possible in their place and also follow strict rules and protocols.They can use their cameras to fight back against any file petition against them when they are sure they have done everything needed by the government.

If that's the case it is better to close them again, if there happens to be a single infection in any casino, they should be closed as soon as possible and the staff should be quaratined.

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Quote from: fiulpro on August 06, 2020, 01:30:26 AM

Since the casinos opened in the June , even though the cases of Corona virus were rising and it was deemed a bad idea by most , unfortunately the regulations did not go well.

Now the small business based casinos have urged the Government to spare them of Lawsuits that might cause their whole business to shut down.

Lawsuits like *I got infected here , there was no sanitization* and boom , you are in the news and finally the casino needs to be shut down.

Now I do think this will be very unlikely that Government will make an exception regarding this since time and again we have seen that people don't follow the rules themselves , most of them don't even know how to use the masks , what did the casinos expect ? This was bound to happen . That is the whole reason why online casinos and gambling sites are fluorishing during this time .

-If the Government does this, most casinos might get away with cleaning and sanitization problems , if they don't some casinos are bound to shut down sooner or later.

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The Nevada Resort Association has urged Nevada's lawmakers and governor to pass legislation that protects casinos and small businesses from frivolous lawsuits

Other trade bodies and executives warn that small businesses are vulnerable to liabilities and that should be limited quickly to avoid further economic slump

The argument goes that it's nearly impossible to prove where an employee got infected and if a business is directly responsible

https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/las-vegas-casinos-ready-up-to-protect-from-coronavirus-lawsuits/

They shouldn't have opened up in the first place , they could have might as well invested in an online site during the time and they could even buy stakes in some online Gambling site and wait , since coronavirus is not going to go anywhere until and unless strict restrictions are going to be followed , which is better for the business in the long term

It seems very obvious to me that they want the best of both worlds, they want to be open and to earn a lot of money but they do not want to be liable for anyone that gets infected in the casino, I cannot blame them since it makes sense for them but it is completely ridiculous, any business that decides to open their doors during this pandemic should take responsibility for what happens inside their business, if such an exception is allowed for casinos then everyone is going to ask for the same exception too and at the same time casinos are going to be less enthusiastic about following the guidelines to protect their clients since there are not going to be negative consequences for them.

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Having a lawsuit is different than actually win it. Anyone can blame anyone for anything. If anyone placed a lawsuit against me even without a reason, I'd be called for a response by the court. And it's not compulsory for me to answer but a simple written response would be enough for me to win the lawsuit if the claims are baseless. Similarly, I don't think anyone would be able to stop people from filing a lawsuit but they'd be difficult to prove if the casinos claimed they actually were doing as required.

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Most of the people who oppose them to open are the ones who see the spread of the virus will truly be inevitable. One person holds a ship and then passed on to another is just a trail to follow. But the mayor just goes on to open because the businessmen are pressuring her. Now these casinos still have the gall to suggest of sparing them from lawsuits. Its so good to be rich in this world, you can get away with just about anything when you have the money to control politics.

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Expenses of doing an offline casino is getting increasing that is the reason why more gambling sites are arising where the expenses are lot less compared to maintaining an offline casino.But without having proper sanitization then the casino should not be allowed to run as well but government should explore themselves before shutting down the casino.

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I wonder what the response of the Las Vegas mayor after these sentiments were expressed by casino operators? She's the one who pushed with the opening of the casinos since she believe that the economy is far more important than public health and safety and here we are Roll Eyes

If those casinos followed minimum health standards and safety guidelines, they shouldn't be afraid of lawsuits, and its within the discretion of the player to risk his/her life by playing within a casino. I mean, it's not as if that's the only place a virus could linger, especially if it's sanitize for the most part of the day.

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Quote from: fiulpro on August 06, 2020, 01:30:26 AM

Since the casinos opened in the June , even though the cases of Corona virus were rising and it was deemed a bad idea by most , unfortunately the regulations did not go well.

Now the small business based casinos have urged the Government to spare them of Lawsuits that might cause their whole business to shut down.

Lawsuits like *I got infected here , there was no sanitization* and boom , you are in the news and finally the casino needs to be shut down.

Now I do think this will be very unlikely that Government will make an exception regarding this since time and again we have seen that people don't follow the rules themselves , most of them don't even know how to use the masks , what did the casinos expect ? This was bound to happen . That is the whole reason why online casinos and gambling sites are fluorishing during this time .

-If the Government does this, most casinos might get away with cleaning and sanitization problems , if they don't some casinos are bound to shut down sooner or later.

The Nevada Resort Association has urged Nevada's lawmakers and governor to pass legislation that protects casinos and small businesses from frivolous lawsuits

Other trade bodies and executives warn that small businesses are vulnerable to liabilities and that should be limited quickly to avoid further economic slump

It's but natural for the governor to protect the interest of the city this is where they built their city it's the gambling and entertainment capital of the world if they allow it face a lot of lawsuits so many casinos will shutdown and face million dollar lawsuits and this will harm the revenue of the city which heavily relies on these hotels and casinos.

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Even if they are a small casino business, if they are following the proper guideline and protocols, they don't have to worry or be afraid of possible lawsuits. Customers and employees can also complain if they are really not showing any proper sanitation, but if they are imposing those protocols, then there would be no problem.

We are aware that a lot of people also don't follow some rules like wearing masks, but these casinos have the authority not to let those people in if they are not following the rules to ensure everyone's safety inside the facility.

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To be honest, that makes no sense to me. On the same principle people can file lawsuit against shopping malls, beauty salons, restaurants or any other object, people can get infected everywhere.
This sounds to me more like a campaign against casino, an opportunity to make harm to them like "unnecessary" business but I don't think this is going to work.

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Quote from: acroman08 on August 06, 2020, 07:49:45 AM

I knew this kind of issue would happen the moment I saw a thread here regarding casinos opening in Las Vegas during this pandemic. there are a lot of entitled people who thinks they are above the law or simple protocols and would blame you the moment they fucked up even if it is their fault. but the problem is these casinos most like didn't have a strict protocol on social distancing or hygiene that is why there are people able to file a complaint agaisnt them and these casinos are afraid of it.

@acroman08 the thread you’re referring to was started by me, and this is exactly what I was afraid of would happen, and sadly the gamblers kept on coming and the casinos were only happy to have them back. At this stage I’m not really sure if the casinos actually failed to deploy the necessary safety measures, and further if those gamblers don’t have solid proof against those casinos then this case won’t stand in the court of law.

Thread link:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/las-vegas-casinos-are-open-end-of-the-pandemic-era-5253684

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The countries which has contained better the virus have used strict protocol measures to keep the virus from spreading.This countries beside following the guidelines they also imposed people even in building elevators to wear masks otherwise they would not let people without masks use the elevators.

The casinos who want to be spared from being filed against should offer the maximum hygiene possible in their place and also follow strict rules and protocols.They can use their cameras to fight back against any file petition against them when they are sure they have done everything needed by the government.

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I knew this kind of issue would happen the moment I saw a thread here regarding casinos opening in Las Vegas during this pandemic. there are a lot of entitled people who thinks they are above the law or simple protocols and would blame you the moment they fucked up even if it is their fault. but the problem is these casinos most like didn't have a strict protocol on social distancing or hygiene that is why there are people able to file a complaint agaisnt them and these casinos are afraid of it.

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Quote from: fiulpro on August 06, 2020, 01:30:26 AM

-If the Government does this, most casinos might get away with cleaning and sanitization problems , if they don't some casinos are bound to shut down sooner or later.

That would not be fair I believe, casinos here are playing safe, with that kind of protection on the casinos, the problem would be worsen.
If they will close, then so be it, casinos are not a necessity for us, it's just an entertainment where people can live even without a casino.

A just government would not allow this to happen, if there are lawsuits then they should face it, that's part of the risk when they are given another chance to re open the operation.

I get that the government gets good taxes on casino operation but they can't give that kind of immunity that could only be abuse by casino owners in the long run.

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This is going to be very big challenge as entire world such situation is arises and how to handle it is still uncertain. As the cases are still spreading and rising so many people are avoiding moving out. So, this is leading to less demand, people are not able to pay the salary to staff, people are losing jobs. Government need to intervene and provide as much support as possible to all such business.

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