⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ - page 18.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on August 16, 2024, 03:04:14 PM

...Chiesa is really out of squad as of now. He is no longer a part of Motta's plans. But it was obvious this was going to happen. Because there wasn't any good signal for his future...

I don't agree with this wicked choice at all, absolutely zero. Unfortunately, he is the coach, Thiago Motta and he has chosen this way.
Meanwhile, the match against Como went very well, three goals scored for the newly promoted team and a lot of entertainment. So much beauty in the game. I'm hopeful.

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Quote from: hahay on August 18, 2024, 01:25:16 PM

Where Osimhen? I'm curious why Osimhen is not in Napoli's squad for the away match against Verona this time? Does Conte really not need Osimhen or is Osimhen perhaps injured? Because after all, in this match Napoli really experienced a deadlock, even though Napoli had good dominance since the first half, but in the second half Napoli actually conceded two goals and that was very bad result for Napoli, and maybe it was also Conte's fault.

Previously I was very confident that Napoli would win because I also believed Conte was a great manager. But anyway, if Conte did something like this by not including Osimhen in his squad, to be honest I would be very disappointed. Because maybe, by not including Osimhen in Napoli's squad for this match, maybe it will make Napoli buy Lukaku. Lol, that way is very funny I guess. In essence, I was very disappointed with Napoli in this match, apart from my losing bet because I chose Napoli, but in reality, Conte really did an experiment in this official match and in the end Napoli got a bad result.

Antonio Conte decided not to let him play because he doesn't consider him part of the team and I must say that his start to the championship was with the outsiders, but for Verona.
Unfortunately we continue to make stupid choices, do you have a great striker? Let him play, there's no point in depriving him while you have him.

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Where Osimhen? I'm curious why Osimhen is not in Napoli's squad for the away match against Verona this time? Does Conte really not need Osimhen or is Osimhen perhaps injured? Because after all, in this match Napoli really experienced a deadlock, even though Napoli had good dominance since the first half, but in the second half Napoli actually conceded two goals and that was very bad result for Napoli, and maybe it was also Conte's fault.

Previously I was very confident that Napoli would win because I also believed Conte was a great manager. But anyway, if Conte did something like this by not including Osimhen in his squad, to be honest I would be very disappointed. Because maybe, by not including Osimhen in Napoli's squad for this match, maybe it will make Napoli buy Lukaku. Lol, that way is very funny I guess. In essence, I was very disappointed with Napoli in this match, apart from my losing bet because I chose Napoli, but in reality, Conte really did an experiment in this official match and in the end Napoli got a bad result.

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Quote from: giammangiato on August 16, 2024, 10:33:06 AM

Quote from: Lillominato89 on August 15, 2024, 07:36:58 AM

Federico Chiesa is one of the most crystal-clear talents of Juventus and the Italian national team, this whole story around him seems to be a farce, surely there are things we don't know and will never know. I don't want to believe that Thiago Motta wants to do without Federico Chiesa, if they don't sell him this year they will be forced to put a monstrous capital loss on the balance sheet, let's remember that he was paid more than 60 million euros by Juventus. It already seems strange to me that they terminated the contract of Szczesny, who for me is one of the best goalkeepers around in Serie A. Juventus is making unclear decisions

Go figure out Thiago Motta, go figure out why he doesn't like Federico Chiesa, who among other things is also a son of art so the ball has always known how the ball goes and how it works, he's certainly had breakfast with milk and ball.
Never mind, we can't agree on everything.

Thiago Motta may have had his reasons, but I doubt if it's his real choice, maybe it's the club that imposed it on him, we could never know.I don't feel like judging Thiago Motta, time will speak for him, in May maybe we'll be here congratulating him that he won the scudetto Grin

All jokes aside, soon we'll start with the new season, who will be Inter's real competitor this year? Also I reopened the voting, make your choices

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Chiesa is really out of squad as of now. He is no longer a part of Motta's plans. But it was obvious this was going to happen. Because there wasn't any good signal for his future.

At least it is good to see there are teams like Milan and Roma after him. I don't believe he is a very bad player but I'm afraid he can't live up to expectations at Juventus. Sad

Chiesa has been the 3rd most earner in Juventus squad with €11m including bonuses. It would be some help for Juventus to raise some funds for new transfers. I hope they can use their money efficiently. No doubt the fans have missed the good old days...

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on August 15, 2024, 07:36:58 AM

Federico Chiesa is one of the most crystal-clear talents of Juventus and the Italian national team, this whole story around him seems to be a farce, surely there are things we don't know and will never know. I don't want to believe that Thiago Motta wants to do without Federico Chiesa, if they don't sell him this year they will be forced to put a monstrous capital loss on the balance sheet, let's remember that he was paid more than 60 million euros by Juventus. It already seems strange to me that they terminated the contract of Szczesny, who for me is one of the best goalkeepers around in Serie A. Juventus is making unclear decisions

Go figure out Thiago Motta, go figure out why he doesn't like Federico Chiesa, who among other things is also a son of art so the ball has always known how the ball goes and how it works, he's certainly had breakfast with milk and ball.
Never mind, we can't agree on everything.

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It looks like Osimhen's future is still not clear. Because they started to say Chelsea and Napoli talks on Osimhen transfer is alive again. As Napoli wants Lukaku also, I have no doubt they want this deal to happen too. They just couldn't agree on terms so far. Napoli chairman De Laurentiis wants too much for Osimhen. 130m euros is not a realistic worth for him. Sad

If he accepts to find a middle course with Chelsea then this swap + money deal can get real. Both sides would be happy to work out their striker solutions. What do you say, will it happen you think? Huh

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on August 15, 2024, 08:05:57 AM

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Quote from: giammangiato on August 14, 2024, 10:33:06 AM

Quote from: hahay on August 13, 2024, 12:57:40 PM

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Because at least, if Federico Chiesa is still at Juventus until the end of the season later, then Federico Chiesa will leave for free and that probably won't be good for Juventus either because they won't have any income. Therefore, if Federico Chiesa really still wants to play at Juventus longer, then it would be appropriate if Juventus also extended Federico Chiesa's contract at this moment. But regarding Atalanta, it looks like there is still an important match to prepare for, because Atalanta will play first in the UEFA Super Cup against Real Madrid.

Unfortunately I didn't really understand this, I'm sorry to be so polemical with the team I support, but it wasn't an intelligent operation to sell Federico Chiesa.
I'm sorry, it was also a mistake made by Thiago Motta, Federico Chiesa was injured for a long time but he has considerable qualities, he will certainly be useful in the national team.

Federico Chiesa is one of the most crystal-clear talents of Juventus and the Italian national team, this whole story around him seems to be a farce, surely there are things we don't know and will never know. I don't want to believe that Thiago Motta wants to do without Federico Chiesa, if they don't sell him this year they will be forced to put a monstrous capital loss on the balance sheet, let's remember that he was paid more than 60 million euros by Juventus. It already seems strange to me that they terminated the contract of Szczesny, who for me is one of the best goalkeepers around in Serie A. Juventus is making unclear decisions

Motta's decision not to play Chiesa in the friendly game shows he wants to do without him. But, yeah, I'm very disappointed with how Juventus did dirty to him.

Also, about the decision to terminate Szczesny's contract. This is coming from Szczesny himself. There is nothing wrong with the decision to terminate Szczesny's contract. He is 34 years old, and his wages were egregious.

We're also having Michele Di Gregorio come to our lineup, and he was the best goalkeeper last season.

Honestly we all disagree with Thiago Motta's decisions, I can understand terminating important contracts like Szczesny's, but you don't do it in late August, you do it much earlier also because you had already got the new goalkeeper. On Federico Chiesa I am very disappointed with the treatment of him, I hope to see him in my Inter next year

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on August 15, 2024, 07:36:58 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on August 14, 2024, 10:33:06 AM

Quote from: hahay on August 13, 2024, 12:57:40 PM

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Because at least, if Federico Chiesa is still at Juventus until the end of the season later, then Federico Chiesa will leave for free and that probably won't be good for Juventus either because they won't have any income. Therefore, if Federico Chiesa really still wants to play at Juventus longer, then it would be appropriate if Juventus also extended Federico Chiesa's contract at this moment. But regarding Atalanta, it looks like there is still an important match to prepare for, because Atalanta will play first in the UEFA Super Cup against Real Madrid.

Unfortunately I didn't really understand this, I'm sorry to be so polemical with the team I support, but it wasn't an intelligent operation to sell Federico Chiesa.
I'm sorry, it was also a mistake made by Thiago Motta, Federico Chiesa was injured for a long time but he has considerable qualities, he will certainly be useful in the national team.

Federico Chiesa is one of the most crystal-clear talents of Juventus and the Italian national team, this whole story around him seems to be a farce, surely there are things we don't know and will never know. I don't want to believe that Thiago Motta wants to do without Federico Chiesa, if they don't sell him this year they will be forced to put a monstrous capital loss on the balance sheet, let's remember that he was paid more than 60 million euros by Juventus. It already seems strange to me that they terminated the contract of Szczesny, who for me is one of the best goalkeepers around in Serie A. Juventus is making unclear decisions

Motta's decision not to play Chiesa in the friendly game shows he wants to do without him. But, yeah, I'm very disappointed with how Juventus did dirty to him.

Also, about the decision to terminate Szczesny's contract. This is coming from Szczesny himself. There is nothing wrong with the decision to terminate Szczesny's contract. He is 34 years old, and his wages were egregious.

We're also having Michele Di Gregorio come to our lineup, and he was the best goalkeeper last season.

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Quote from: giammangiato on August 14, 2024, 10:33:06 AM

Quote from: hahay on August 13, 2024, 12:57:40 PM

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Because at least, if Federico Chiesa is still at Juventus until the end of the season later, then Federico Chiesa will leave for free and that probably won't be good for Juventus either because they won't have any income. Therefore, if Federico Chiesa really still wants to play at Juventus longer, then it would be appropriate if Juventus also extended Federico Chiesa's contract at this moment. But regarding Atalanta, it looks like there is still an important match to prepare for, because Atalanta will play first in the UEFA Super Cup against Real Madrid.

Unfortunately I didn't really understand this, I'm sorry to be so polemical with the team I support, but it wasn't an intelligent operation to sell Federico Chiesa.
I'm sorry, it was also a mistake made by Thiago Motta, Federico Chiesa was injured for a long time but he has considerable qualities, he will certainly be useful in the national team.

Federico Chiesa is one of the most crystal-clear talents of Juventus and the Italian national team, this whole story around him seems to be a farce, surely there are things we don't know and will never know. I don't want to believe that Thiago Motta wants to do without Federico Chiesa, if they don't sell him this year they will be forced to put a monstrous capital loss on the balance sheet, let's remember that he was paid more than 60 million euros by Juventus. It already seems strange to me that they terminated the contract of Szczesny, who for me is one of the best goalkeepers around in Serie A. Juventus is making unclear decisions

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Quote from: babo on August 14, 2024, 05:06:59 AM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on August 13, 2024, 04:11:17 PM

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Gasperini is very valuable for Atalanta. They must be happy to keep him.
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Atalanta knows how to make good use of its ability to retain talent and people, as you have seen Gasperini gave up much more money than Napoli to continue playing and coaching Atalanta well.
I like this team for this reason.

Gasperini has quite long experience with Atalanta and of course how he builds the team and works to try to bring Atalanta on the right path can be seen clearly, it would be shame if coach like Gasperini left the team.
But Gasperini does have contract remaining for one more season and of course many people hope that he can have contract extension and Atalanta can really maintain it for at least the next few season.
It is indeed difficult for Gasperini to bring Atalanta many championship titles, but at least Gasperini is able to work well and bring Atalanta to show various big surprises in several competitions that they participate in each season.

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Quote from: Dailyscript on August 13, 2024, 05:26:19 PM

All hopes high for the coming 2024/2025 Serie A (Italian league). although Atlanta actually did well in the previous season but I don't think it will happen this season, ~~~~

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Agree with you, maybe this season Atalanta will be able to show much better improvement than last season.
I want to see them be able to amaze everyone, but on the other hand to compete for the championship title I am not so sure they can get it.

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Quote from: Dailyscript on August 13, 2024, 05:26:19 PM

Quote from: babo on August 09, 2024, 02:51:56 AM

Let's hope that the season that is about to begin will be beautiful and fun
From my point of view I also have a further reason to see it given that the team of my heart, Atalanta, had a good season last season and I expect great things this year.
We will see.

All hopes high for the coming 2024/2025 Serie A (Italian league). although Atlanta actually did well in the previous season but I don't think it will happen this season, they will put all their effort to be one of the top 4 in the table but I don't think that possible due to the force and confident of all this clubs (Inter Milan, Juventus, Atletico Madrid, Napoli, Bologna, Lazio) who are ready for the coming season especially Napoli, so do not just put your hopes high on them before they will break it for you. We are going to known tomorrow if they are capable of winning or putting so much fears on Real Madrid defense than the way Real Madrid will put on their defense. so if they are capable of winning them which is not 30% accurate we can put our hopes high on them of winning or competing in the upcoming Serie A season.

Atalanta has a manager they have been keeping for a long time, it is going to be a good situation without a doubt. When they did that great last season, everyone started to look at Gasperini, I mean we are going to just see him do even better with better transfer budget as well. I think they have all the rights to be in the top four this season, they are going to be in the UCL as well so that means more money, so all of this will lead to them do better.

We need to consider that they are going to be doing much better and that could be very profitable business for them. They grew gradually with smaller amount, and eventually they got here, and they need to be careful. If they keep growing and getting better than we can definitely see them get much better but if they get worse then it is going to be very hard for them to grow getting harder. So it is going to be entertaining to see their growth, and I hope that it is not going to get any worse.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on August 13, 2024, 12:05:08 PM

2024/25 season, my prediction is that the Serie A title will be taken by Juventus from Inter Milan as the team that won the Scudetto last season.
Thiago Motta will try to give his all to Juventus with a strategy and tactics more like what was given to Bologna last season even though Motta has only played for Inter Milan and Genoa as a professional player.

Even if Motta was successful in Bologna, it doesn't mean he will easily win the Scudetto with Juventus. It is Motta's first season as Juventus manager, he needs time to adapt with everything in Juventus. I am quite doubtful if Juventus will win the Scudetto, I think Juventus only can finish in the top 3. Moreover, I don't see significant transfer in Juventus, most of the new players are average players. I only consider Douglas Luiz as their best new player, but we don't know how he will perform. Meanwhile Inter Milan, they keep their best players in the last season, they even bought some good players in the current transfer window. With the current squad of Inter Milan, I am very sure Inter Milan will dominate Serie A again and win the Scudetto.

Quote from: AprilioMP on August 13, 2024, 12:05:08 PM

I know that each of us has a prediction regarding which team will win the Serie A trophy this season, but Serie A has not started yet, I think giving a prediction from the start is more challenging than giving a prediction when Serie A is already running.

There is no problem to make a prediction before the new season begins. We mostly make a prediction based on the squad strength and the quality of the coach. We can analyze it before the season starts, but surely there is no good accuracy. To make a better accuracy, surely we need to see the first few matches of the teams in the early season.

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Quote from: hahay on August 13, 2024, 12:57:40 PM

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Because at least, if Federico Chiesa is still at Juventus until the end of the season later, then Federico Chiesa will leave for free and that probably won't be good for Juventus either because they won't have any income. Therefore, if Federico Chiesa really still wants to play at Juventus longer, then it would be appropriate if Juventus also extended Federico Chiesa's contract at this moment. But regarding Atalanta, it looks like there is still an important match to prepare for, because Atalanta will play first in the UEFA Super Cup against Real Madrid.

Unfortunately I didn't really understand this, I'm sorry to be so polemical with the team I support, but it wasn't an intelligent operation to sell Federico Chiesa.
I'm sorry, it was also a mistake made by Thiago Motta, Federico Chiesa was injured for a long time but he has considerable qualities, he will certainly be useful in the national team.

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Quote from: Dailyscript on August 13, 2024, 05:26:19 PM

All hopes high for the coming 2024/2025 Serie A (Italian league). although Atlanta actually did well in the previous season but I don't think it will happen this season, they will put all their effort to be one of the top 4 in the table but I don't think that possible due to the force and confident of all this clubs (Inter Milan, Juventus, Atletico Madrid, Napoli, Bologna, Lazio) who are ready for the coming season especially Napoli, so do not just put your hopes high on them before they will break it for you. We are going to known tomorrow if they are capable of winning or putting so much fears on Real Madrid defense than the way Real Madrid will put on their defense. so if they are capable of winning them which is not 30% accurate we can put our hopes high on them of winning or competing in the upcoming Serie A season.

I don't understand the reason for including Atletico Madrid in the list of strong teams in Serie A. In any case, I agree with you, it will be really difficult for Atalanta to return to the top four next season. The competition is absolutely fierce and the other teams want to get into the Champions League zone.
Bologna, Rome and Naples are gearing up.
Milan Inter and Juventus obviously want to enter the UCL zone. It gets difficult.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on August 13, 2024, 04:11:17 PM

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Gasperini is very valuable for Atalanta. They must be happy to keep him.
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Atalanta knows how to make good use of its ability to retain talent and people, as you have seen Gasperini gave up much more money than Napoli to continue playing and coaching Atalanta well.
I like this team for this reason.

Quote from: Dailyscript on August 13, 2024, 05:26:19 PM

All hopes high for the coming 2024/2025 Serie A (Italian league). although Atlanta actually did well in the previous season but I don't think it will happen this season, ~~~~

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Quote from: babo on August 09, 2024, 02:51:56 AM

Let's hope that the season that is about to begin will be beautiful and fun
From my point of view I also have a further reason to see it given that the team of my heart, Atalanta, had a good season last season and I expect great things this year.
We will see.

All hopes high for the coming 2024/2025 Serie A (Italian league). although Atlanta actually did well in the previous season but I don't think it will happen this season, they will put all their effort to be one of the top 4 in the table but I don't think that possible due to the force and confident of all this clubs (Inter Milan, Juventus, Atletico Madrid, Napoli, Bologna, Lazio) who are ready for the coming season especially Napoli, so do not just put your hopes high on them before they will break it for you. We are going to known tomorrow if they are capable of winning or putting so much fears on Real Madrid defense than the way Real Madrid will put on their defense. so if they are capable of winning them which is not 30% accurate we can put our hopes high on them of winning or competing in the upcoming Serie A season.

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Quote from: giammangiato on August 13, 2024, 11:24:07 AM

I'm sorry that he's leaving Atalanta, Gasperini had done very well in recent years, and it's no coincidence that Atalanta has proven to be a strong and fearsome team and has also won some important things.
Now he will go to the Champions League, who knows which coach he will have. Is there any news on this?

No you got me wrong. I said later in my post that he didn't want to leave Atalanta.

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on August 10, 2024, 10:42:42 AM

After that we first heard rumours like Gasperini would leave for a PL team. But he refuted it by making a clear statement on his future.

Gasperini is very valuable for Atalanta. They must be happy to keep him.

By the way I believe Juventus still needs more transfers. I still don't feel like the current squad is good enough for winning a Serie A trophy. But I would love to see Motta surprising me. Grin

He is a popular coach lately, let's see... But I think Inter will win a back-to-back title. They keep going on consistently with Simone Inzaghi.

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Quote from: giammangiato on August 09, 2024, 11:33:06 AM

Quote from: babo on August 09, 2024, 02:51:56 AM

Let's hope that the season that is about to begin will be beautiful and fun
From my point of view I also have a further reason to see it given that the team of my heart, Atalanta, had a good season last season and I expect great things this year.
We will see.

Juventus is doing a lot, they are buying experimental players and even doing some stupid things (like selling Federico Chiesa, you have no idea how angry this thing made me).
So I hope that after two really bad seasons, we see a team that is alive and playing matches. Is my only hope.

Even though at this moment there are many rumors about Juventus being ready to sell Federico Chiesa, however, until now the reality is that Federico Chiesa is still at Juventus and it seems that no agreement has been reached with interested clubs. However, in fact, Federico Chiesa only has one season left on his contract at Juventus and thus, selling Federico Chiesa at this moment might still provide benefits for Juventus.

Because at least, if Federico Chiesa is still at Juventus until the end of the season later, then Federico Chiesa will leave for free and that probably won't be good for Juventus either because they won't have any income. Therefore, if Federico Chiesa really still wants to play at Juventus longer, then it would be appropriate if Juventus also extended Federico Chiesa's contract at this moment. But regarding Atalanta, it looks like there is still an important match to prepare for, because Atalanta will play first in the UEFA Super Cup against Real Madrid.

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Quote from: samuraijin on August 13, 2024, 04:39:26 AM

Chiesa's performance decline was caused by Allegri's presence at Juventus during Allegri's tenure several times Chiesa was not played in important matches and was always a substitute player, this is why in the Thiago Motta era he was not on the radar of the main players and instead became a player who would be sold by Juventus, the decline in performance was not only at the club but also spread to the Italian squad yesterday, even he found it difficult to prove to his second coach, so I think Chiesa has to prove himself elsewhere if not it will be difficult later to get a club that will recruit him, and several clubs have refused the offer set by Juventus who want a sale of 9 million Euros, I hope Chiesa can rise out there and prove himself still worthy of being a scary player on the field.

Chiesa isn't a player that is "useless", but at the same time if they think that they can sell him and make some money from it, then he is not a player that they can't afford to lose, he would be good to have, but if he is sold then they won't suddenly become terrible because of him neither. This is why I believe that they are looking to sell him for a good price, if they can get a good price for him then they are going to be willing to sell him, but if they can't find anyone to pay good money for him then we are not going to see anything changing anytime soon neither.

We can't really assume that it is going to be easy to handle this sensitive issue because it takes a while for them to have something similar to what they would be asking for him, so they may not get any offers from anyone as well. This is why I think it's clear that we are going to probably see Chiesa staying. Juventus is basically just happy to keep him, happy to sell him for a lot, that's the situation.

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