Topic: ⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ - page 17. (Read 15658 times)

The signings for the midfield are decent. I don't have much to say against that. However looking to the general work they have done in the market so far, I don't see a good result yet.    They need a big change in the squad but not such action is taken at all. They still can't sell the players they want and they don't make more signings. Then how do you expect to make progress, right?

There are Vlahovic and Milik in the attacking area. Milik can't be trusted. But Vlahovic is a decent forward in fact. He wasn't fitting Allegri's game but hopefully he will be fitting into Motta's game.

Italy has always played this way, defensively. If you remember in Italy 90, I saw the games on tape obviously as an adult since I was very young, Italy played a super defensive way, often passing the ball to the goalkeeper who collected it with his hands. Then they introduced the rule to avoid this. So we have defensive play in our DNA.

Let's hope that the season that is about to begin will be beautiful and fun
From my point of view I also have a further reason to see it given that the team of my heart, Atalanta, had a good season last season and I expect great things this year.
We will see.

Exactly, in my opinion it's more of a cultural problem than anything else, we rely on veterans because they know how to play, they have the experience of making the right tactical fouls without being punished and they know when to do certain things.  In this way, however, everything stops, the young people in the end are the ones who run and who will become the veterans.

Maybe not, but it's Italian style and mentality to play defensively and start on the counterattack.  The fact that many goals have been conceded means that there are not very good defenders.  Not that the style and mentality of playing that way has disappeared.  Then in the national team, easy... all the departments suck.  Nothing is saved.

I would guess that it's also a bit of a cultural thing where they just did that for so long that they think that is the way everything works. Don't get me wrong all of these players grow up somewhere, which means that not like they do not have any good young players, they of course have some good players and that works, but I think it's clear that we are going to end up with a situation that will not be all that simple.

We could consider the fact that it is going to end up with some good results, this is why I think it is important to realize that we are going to have some issues, and we are going to face some trouble with it, and that's why we need to consider how dangerous that could be, and how young players need experience as well.

With the logic of "veterans could help us more with their experience", you will not have any young players who will grow up to have experience, meaning that if there are veterans right now, that means they played somewhere when they were young too. All in all, it is an Italian thing, it's more like a Serie A thing even, where they like using older players on their club and get that veteran leadership and do a lot better with time, should be important in that case.

Did we actually saw positional defense in the last couple of years ? because we can clearly see the Serie A is scoring and conceding a lot of goals lately and this means that their long time defensive style is almost gone. We can also see the effect on their national squad of Italy where they barely know how to play proper defense and on the same time, they are having huge offensive problems because there are no real talents within that squad who are playing for top 5 in Serie A and that is a problem that Italian football knows about it and want to resolve it by giving a lot of minutes to Italian players in their top 4-5 football clubs.

Of course it also depends on the style of play of the championship you are going to play in, in a championship like the Italian one strongly based on positional defense, playing fast players against experienced players might not be a good solution, at the beginning obviously.  In the long run you pay for letting older players play.

He was attacked too much, many coaches make mistakes that he didn't do well, but he also had little material and little budget.
I don't feel like saying that his management was a failure, rather I would say that his management was aimed at containing and mitigating the problems that were already there.

From what I could see last season, Atalanta didn't have many young players. When I talk about young players, I'm referring to players under the age of 20. For example, the ages of Atalanta's players:

Ademola Lookman = is a 26-year-old player

Charles De Ketelaere = is a 23-year-old player

Matteo Ruggeri = is a 22-year-old player

Teun Koopmeiners = is a 26-year-old player

Éderson = is a 25-year-old player

El Bilal Touré = is a 22-year-old player

Giorgio Scalvini = is the only Atalanta player who is 20 years old

But most of Atalanta's players are under the age of 27. So I consider this as a team made up of young players. The problem is that there are not many Italian players at Atalanta who are very young and who stand out in the team, in the sense of being the best players on the team. This means that Atalanta is preparing players from other national teams instead of preparing players for the Italian national team. Juventus, Milan, Inter and Roma have also focused a lot on foreign players and not on Italian players.


Honestly, it's hard to understand how Juventus' management thinks. When they hired Allegri, Juventus' way of playing was very focused on defense. For a while, this way of playing worked to finish in the top 4. Then, Juventus' management fired Allegri and hired Motta', who has the same style of play as Allegri.

See the signings Juventus made:

Juan Cabal (Left-Back)

Douglas Luiz (Central Midfield)

Khéphren Thuram (Central Midfield)

Marley Aké (Left Winger)

I haven't seen Juventus signing great attackers, players who score a lot of goals. But they are focusing on improving the midfield and defense. I see Juventus playing exactly as they did last season when Allegri was the coach.

It is like Juventus has stopped after being a little active in the transfer market. I wonder why... Maybe they aren't able to find any team to buy the players they are targeting to sell this summer?    Because in this way Juventus won't only make more money. They will get rid of useless players also. Normally I wouldn't say Chiesa is useless but I'm afraid he is also in this list.

I think Chiesa just doesn't have a good chemistry with this team. I believe he can be more productive with the right choice. There are still many other players to be sold by Juventus but new season is nearly upon us...

If they don't finish the needed transfers I doubt Motta's first season more. 

The reason is quite simple, if the team from series A is more believed that older players are more professional and have great experience in all competitions and certainly have a great mentality. Not that only relying on old players, but some teams have also begun to rely on young players who are currently in the process of building the expertise possessed by the young player.
And on the one hand when comparing EPL with series A, in my opinion it makes no difference. Because these two leagues are equally competitive and in fact there is no dominance and Inter becomes a strong candidate in UCL a few seasons ago when qualifying for the final round.

It is true but let's also say that to work well they also need good players, I am thinking about an easy example, Juventus for example is the classic club that the thing are not going well because there was a coach who could not Orchestrate all the talents of the group and I honestly see it like this, better its departure, with a new coach the speech changes but it is difficult and it takes time, I also see a coach who wants to upset everything like Antonio Conte who wants to all Costs Lukaku in my opinion has a strong team that needs only time instead he wants at all costs new players and so it will be the ruin of the team!

building a team that works takes a lot of work
it is not enough to simply buy strong players, in fact you can very well see that often Brazil, which certainly has the strongest players in the world, is not able to orchestrate these talents well
the problem is to fit together talents that compensate each other and also people with a character that compensates for each other
Furthermore, we need to create a harmonious environment where working together is a pleasure

It's not easy, you have to work many months for this

It is not easy to build team by fulfilling most of the players using young talents, there will be several conditions and also risks that can occur such as decline in performance when young players cannot develop properly and can be detrimental to the team if young players experience unwanted things such as injuries.
For now, every Serie-A team prefers and prioritizes being able to fulfill all the needs of players with mature age and have more dominant skills.
Difference in the past and now has been very clear, in the past Serie-A became League that had most of the teams able to create great young generation, almost every team could develop players and make young players valuable assets.
Now maybe we can only see young players who already have quite good careers, each team does not dare to take risks and choose shortcuts by buying young players who have succeeded in developing from other League team.

But it can be admitted that Allegri is one of the last coaches who still often uses young players and tries to develop hidden talents, unfortunately he failed and there was no success as expected.

It's not just about Allegri which playing young players because after all, other teams in Serie A also still have young players and in fact about Inter, who won the Scudetto, also has Lautaro Martinez who is a key player in their success. Do you know how old Lautaro Martinez is now? he is currently 26 years old but they still managed to be the best in Serie A. Also, there are still other teams in Serie A who play and maximize their young talents and not only Allegri. So, I don't agree if you conclude that Allegri's dismissal was because he failed to maximize the young talent in the Juventus squad.

But the point is, teams in Serie A have been deemed still willing to play older players compared to the Premier League which relies heavily on speed. But that doesn't mean that the teams in Serie A all play older players more than young players because after all, the proof is that there are still Serie A teams that are still successful by relying on and/or maximizing young players and also about Atalanta who managed to become the team that won the Europa League last season with the young players he had as well.

Thank you and welcome back, you will surely have spent a little time during the summer holidays, please rest.
Exactly the matches cost too much, but evidently people find it easy to go to the stadium anyway by subtracting money from other things.
As long as people can afford it the game holds up, if something goes into crisis the first thing that gets cut is the fun.  So you understand well that the system cannot last.

How stupid really, young talent should be an investment for teams to make and not a way to punish coaches who use them.
Then you just have to spend millions to buy players who are in fashion, another stupid thing.
I honestly don't understand this, but I can't help it.

In Italy very few coaches try to put young talent in the team, especially in the big teams almost no one wants to take the risk of constantly using young talent, and almost no one bets on young Italians, one of the many reasons why the Italian national team is the worst in the last 50 years. Only Allegri I have seen often use promising young people but he has paid the consequences

It's always nice to read your opinions dear friend, every now and then I come back and make an appearance, as you know work and family commitments are many and time is always short, but let's get back to the point. You are absolutely right, nowadays soccer is no longer passionate but pure business, there is a lot of money going around and there will be more and more, because to keep the circus going more and more money will be needed. Have you ever tried lately to buy a ticket for a match of a major team? Like Juventus- Lecce? A ticket starts from no less than 40€ is we are talking about a simple league game, for big matches the price goes up, a Champions League final costs at least 10 times as much. There is a lot of money going around, and it will always take more to be able to pay salaries to players