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legendary
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There would be no end to regulation, as a Republic the nation would regulate itself still, based on the decisions of the people.

We already have that, America is what you're referring to.  So far, it hasn't been working out, thanks to regulation and socialism.
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Have you tried mining yet? Do you know if you can actually turn a profit doing so with your specific hardware?

No I have not tried mining yet, and I know for a FACT I can not turn a profit using my specific hardware.
Both of these things are irrelevant to the topic, and me mining.
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Ahh--my bad.  To do this, you stop regulating, by removing the government (or limiting them to the point where they can do nothing.)  Why must it be the guy with all the soldiers who provides these "services"?  What services are these which a normal business who lacks military force cannot provide?

There would be no end to regulation, as a Republic the nation would regulate itself still, based on the decisions of the people.
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Which would be, what, exactly? To waste electricity and heat up their house?

While making money.
Have you tried mining yet? Do you know if you can actually turn a profit doing so with your specific hardware?
legendary
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  You don't say, "I want people to be free and I want to end economic slavery", and then turn around and say, "By the way I agree that we need to be ruled and ordered by the state."
Exactly, I don't say that.

What I said is:
I want people to be free to not have to get a job they don't want
&
I want a state that only makes money via SERVICES to it's citizens, that they willingly pay for


Ahh--my bad.  To do this, you stop regulating, by removing the government (or limiting them to the point where they can do nothing.)  Why must it be the guy with all the soldiers who provides these "services"?  What services are these which a normal business who lacks military force cannot provide?
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Which would be, what, exactly? To waste electricity and heat up their house?

While making money.
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Austin, huh?

Yeah, the rest of Texas is not Austin.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AUSTIN and was raised in McKinney, and East Texas is my favorite place, because of all the broke stoners (that would love an opportunity like this).
Which would be, what, exactly? To waste electricity and heat up their house?
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Austin, huh?

Yeah, the rest of Texas is not Austin.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AUSTIN (Exactly my point though, you automatically knew a part of Texas it would work in) and was raised in McKinney, and East Texas is my favorite place, because of all the broke stoners (that would love an opportunity like this).
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RIGHT! The most conservative state in the union is the PERFECT breeding ground for Robosocialism!

And no, by "state" I mean "government."

YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE POINTS WHEN YOU TALK.

Yes, Texas would be a perfect 'breeding ground' for a Robosocialist Republic, just as it is serving as a perfect 'breeding ground' for regular socialism (have you ever been to a college campus), and a 'breeding ground' for illegal immigrants (even though conservatives hate them), and a 'breeding ground' for stoners (even though it has some of the harshest drug laws).

Austin, huh?

Yeah, the rest of Texas is not Austin.
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  You don't say, "I want people to be free and I want to end economic slavery", and then turn around and say, "By the way I agree that we need to be ruled and ordered by the state."
Exactly, I don't say that.

What I said is:
I want people to be free to not have to get a job they don't want
&
I want a state that only makes money via SERVICES to it's citizens, that they willingly pay for
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Just like gold, a medium of exchange is need to be produced by labor, and the value of it should be based on demand

This means, when goods/services are abundant, the gold become expensive, make the gold mining profitable, so that lot's of people will mine gold; when lot's of people are mining gold, the goods/services will become expensive, people will move from gold production into goods/services production

In this way you will always have 100% employment

So, in a modern society where higher and higher productivity is reached through automation and AI, more and more people will only need to mine bitcoin to make a living. But if too many people are going for bitcoin mining, then the labor force reduced and the other goods/services will become scarce, bitcoin price will fall

But this does not solve the problem of higher productivity people also mine the coin when they work. To be fair,  coin mining should be a full time job which need constant time input, this is currently a drawback of bitcoin



This is true,
BUT other coins popping up, and already existing can help with that. EX: my plans aren't even primarily with BTC, I see great promise in DVC.
legendary
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I never suggested removing the state, you are simply arguing with yourself.

I'm afraid you're the one arguing with yourself.  You don't say, "I want people to be free and I want to end economic slavery", and then turn around and say, "By the way I agree that we need to be ruled and ordered by the state."

Which is it?  Are you for freedom, or are you against freedom?  Your thread implies you're pro-freedom.  Now you're saying you're pro-control.  Choose a side of the fence.
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RIGHT! The most conservative state in the union is the PERFECT breeding ground for Robosocialism!

And no, by "state" I mean "government."

YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE POINTS WHEN YOU TALK.

Yes, Texas would be a perfect 'breeding ground' for a Robosocialist Republic, just as it is serving as a perfect 'breeding ground' for regular socialism (have you ever been to a college campus), and a 'breeding ground' for illegal immigrants (even though conservatives hate them), and a 'breeding ground' for stoners (even though it has some of the harshest drug laws).

legendary
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Just like gold, a medium of exchange is need to be produced by labor, and the value of it should be based on demand

This means, when goods/services are abundant, the gold become expensive, make the gold mining profitable, so that lot's of people will mine gold; when lot's of people are mining gold, the goods/services will become expensive, people will move from gold production into goods/services production

In this way you will always have 100% employment

So, in a modern society where higher and higher productivity is reached through automation and AI, more and more people will only need to mine bitcoin to make a living. But if too many people are going for bitcoin mining, then the labor force reduced and the other goods/services will become scarce, bitcoin price will fall

But this does not solve the problem of higher productivity people also mine the coin when they work. To be fair,  coin mining should be a full time job which need constant time input, this is currently a drawback of bitcoin

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I understand your logic is impaired, but maybe you can still grasp this:

The state is your problem, not capitalism. While the State exists, man cannot be free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

The state is not the problem, it is the conservative republicans. MY STATE (Texas) is perfect for this plan.
And if by "state" you mean "fed", then yes end the state.

RIGHT! The most conservative state in the union is the PERFECT breeding ground for Robosocialism!

And no, by "state" I mean "government."
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I understand your logic is impaired, but maybe you can still grasp this:

The state is your problem, not capitalism. While the State exists, man cannot be free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

The state is not the problem, it is the conservative republicans. MY STATE (Texas) is perfect for this plan.
And if by "state" you mean "fed", then yes end the state. But the Texas government needs to stay in tact, while changing just a little.
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Share you wealth.

GIVE YOUR NEXT MINING RIG TO A FRIEND AS A GIFT. Not me, a friend. Or even a family member.

Stop telling people what to do and start doing it yourself

LOL

I am starting doing it myself, I don't even mine yet, and I will be getting someone else a rig as I buy myself my own first rig.

So now that I did what you said, you do what I sad and GIFT YOUR NEXT RIG.
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Yeah, but capitalism doesn't just "become" socialism. Nor is it necessary to get rid of capitalism in order to become free.

That's what people said about slavery "Slavery does not just 'go away' and get replaced by industrialism, it's impossible."

And yes, capitalism is a form of slavery, as recognized by most of the rest of the world.
I understand your logic is impaired, but maybe you can still grasp this:

The state is your problem, not capitalism. While the State exists, man cannot be free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
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There is two alternatives, either we go socialism. Or we don't care about majority's situation...



Agreed, and I think most people would like to just ignore the struggling majority (even "middle class" citizens try to ignore the struggle, when most of them are in more debt than anyone, and there for ARE the struggle)
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The argument is, how do we do the following:

A. Become free (by removing the state)

and

B. Ensure everyone's playing nicely through socialism (to make this system work)



I never suggested removing the state, you are simply arguing with yourself.
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