Hello, OP.
I'd like to inform you that you're wrong. Moreover, it's difficult to explain why you're wrong because you contradict your own arguments so many times that a flow chart of your thought processes could be depicted as a ball of yarn. However, I'll leave you with a simple consideration.
Suppose we achieve your Utopian dreams and we partake in a totally mechanized society. What then? What do you need coins for? To buy goods and services? From who? Robots? You really think a robot fucking cares if you pay it a Bitcoin or a Litecoin, or pay it at all? I've never heard of a robot getting pissed because he got stiffed on a few alt-coins.
Topic: Let the Machines do the Work (The end of Slavery) - page 12. (Read 18394 times)
If that's what you take away from what I said, sure. It's not what I said, but you've been consistently misunderstanding me the whole time. I'm used to it.
No, that is what you said. You want "numbers" not "ideas". Lol.
You're just on the wrong thread if you are saying anything different.
You mean a lot of research and not a lot of application.
Not once have you given us numbers to work with. It's all been conjectures and dreams and hopes.
In short, Stoner logic. Like Mike, I'm bowing out now. You can't say I didn't try. I wish you luck, you'll need it.
So you just don't like that I haven't done anything yet. It really took 10 pages to say that?
If that's what you take away from what I said, sure. It's not what I said, but you've been consistently misunderstanding me the whole time. I'm used to it.
You mean a lot of research and not a lot of application.
Not once have you given us numbers to work with. It's all been conjectures and dreams and hopes.
In short, Stoner logic. Like Mike, I'm bowing out now. You can't say I didn't try. I wish you luck, you'll need it.
So you just don't like that I haven't done anything yet. It really took 10 pages to say that?
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You mean a lot of research and not a lot of application.
Not once have you given us numbers to work with. It's all been conjectures and dreams and hopes.
In short, Stoner logic. Like Mike, I'm bowing out now. You can't say I didn't try. I wish you luck, you'll need it.
I'm detecting a theme here: a lot of belief and not a lot of research.
Let's just do one tiny little thing. How much does the turnpike system through Oklahoma net the state? Net, mind, how much money do they gain from it? This is an important number to know, since the "profit" from this will be going to fund your social welfare programs.
You mean a lot of research and not a lot of application. Sorry I don't have money yet, that doesn't mean I am not doing this though.
I could easily figure out stuff like that, I'm from McKinney TEXAS (which is where this system is planned for) and they recently built a highway in order to alleviate traffic to Dallas from Oklahoma, while bringing more traffic to our town. Paid for by the county, richest county in Texas to bring more money to the county. Why is it the richest county? Jail.... Imagine if those cells could make money with computers instead of inmates though?
I dunno what else to tell you; you seem to be completely, 100% in belief that your system will work, despite my arguments. I will not be taking part, but, I wish you the best in finding people who feel the same way as you.
Also, I highly recommend the Zeitgeist movies; they should be on Netflix, the first one anyway. The other two are on YouTube. They'll help you better understand what it is you're striving for.
Also, I highly recommend the Zeitgeist movies; they should be on Netflix, the first one anyway. The other two are on YouTube. They'll help you better understand what it is you're striving for.
It is not just belief, I have given you reasons for everything I have said.
And I'll watch them one day.
Then wouldn't it be wiser to use the money those services generate to maintain those services, like any other company that provides those services? Otherwise they will be out-competed, and make no money.
1. Maintaining most of those things costs less than they make, I just listed the parts of government that are actually lucrative.
2. Mining and providing electricity are two things the government could do that would be even more lucrative and liked.
3. I believe the government could then even afford NEW ventures, such as pharmaceutical.
And the Texas gov is already big on oil.
Let's just do one tiny little thing. How much does the turnpike system through Oklahoma net the state? Net, mind, how much money do they gain from it? This is an important number to know, since the "profit" from this will be going to fund your social welfare programs.
I dunno what else to tell you; you seem to be completely, 100% in belief that your system will work, despite my arguments. I will not be taking part, but, I wish you the best in finding people who feel the same way as you.
Also, I highly recommend the Zeitgeist movies; they should be on Netflix, the first one anyway. The other two are on YouTube. They'll help you better understand what it is you're striving for.
Also, I highly recommend the Zeitgeist movies; they should be on Netflix, the first one anyway. The other two are on YouTube. They'll help you better understand what it is you're striving for.
Then wouldn't it be wiser to use the money those services generate to maintain those services, like any other company that provides those services? Otherwise they will be out-competed, and make no money.
1. Maintaining most of those things costs less than they make, I just listed the parts of government that are actually lucrative.
2. Mining and providing electricity are two things the government could do that would be even more lucrative and liked.
3. I believe the government could then even afford NEW ventures, such as pharmaceutical.
And the Texas gov is already big on oil.
Yes they would, people already use alternative coins. And if they have a use, people would use new ones. Like the gold in World of Warcraft, I bet it could be considered an online currency, because I bet there are people trading REAL world stuff (I know they at least trade money for gold).
If someone invented a game that used their new currency, then bam, the currency is at least as valuable as their game. Then make a forum, and make people pay coins as membership fees, bam, two real world applications for your coin. Then start selling candy bars for coins, bam, now people are wondering where to get coins so they can get a candy bar.
I am not talking about making it from thin air, is your point that you do not think I have the ability to build capitol? Because I do, I am not "proposing" plans, I am presenting them.
No I have not seen zeitgeist, but everyone tries to make me watch that video and they think it's awesome. I have seen the first 20 minutes though and I learned all that stuff when I was like 13.
If someone invented a game that used their new currency, then bam, the currency is at least as valuable as their game. Then make a forum, and make people pay coins as membership fees, bam, two real world applications for your coin. Then start selling candy bars for coins, bam, now people are wondering where to get coins so they can get a candy bar.
I am not talking about making it from thin air, is your point that you do not think I have the ability to build capitol? Because I do, I am not "proposing" plans, I am presenting them.
No I have not seen zeitgeist, but everyone tries to make me watch that video and they think it's awesome. I have seen the first 20 minutes though and I learned all that stuff when I was like 13.
What you're describing is similar to the Venus Project showcased in Zeitgeist (robosocialism); it would be in your best interest to watch all 3 movies, so you have a better idea of what an RBE would work like.
You're missing the point tho; lets say we had A-Coin. And B-Coin. And C-Coin. And D-Coin. So now you have 4 different wallets for 4 different coins.
Multiply that by a million and we have a problem. Not only is it hard to keep track of, but each individual coin would be nearly worthless. It's like government printing out more money. Bitcoin is scarce because it has a limit; however, 1 million incarnations of Bitcoin, and counting, are not scarce. Because of this, people will stick to a very small number of coins, and will likely mine those coins, except they can't, because everyone is, so we're back at the problem described earlier. I've got a million Mikecoins and I'd be lucky to get my mum to take them to buy a sandwich off her. Now she's got a million Mikecoins that nobody wants; imagine this, except with all the people in the world, and we're having a problem keeping everyone on the same page. People will naturally flock to the same few coins, and if not for better coins, coins that have been around longer, and are more widely adopted, just because they can use them for stuff.
I can't buy a thing with my PPcoins btw. I got quite a few of them. I can, however, trade them for one or two bitcoins. That's PPCoin, and it's been around for a couple years. Imagine creating a new one every other week. They'd never take off. We simply have no need for that many altcoins. Altcoins are great, but a million of them is just way too much. You won't find anyone to take fj8e92qjr839qCoin, the 432,398th coin to be created. As I said, again, it's an attempt to create wealth out of nothing.
Also, WoW gold is worth next to nothing. It has value because it's a pain in the ass to collect and people are lazy (they're also suckers, but, that's nothing new.) It is, however, unlimited in supply, so it's a lot like fiat, except much worse. Nobody is buying candy bars with WoW gold because of this, nor are they paying their subscriptions with WoW gold because the devs are smarter than to accept their own virtual currency that's unlimited in supply. Finally, because WoW gold is earned in-game, it's nearly impossible to get enough people using it, and it's insecure, for your account can be stolen, shut-down, and any mod can create themselves WoW gold on the spot. Try paying for your grocery bill with it; never happen. That's essentially what will happen with enough offshoots of Bitcoin; the altcoins become worthless.
But as I said before, when there's no work, there's no economy. So the point is moot.
And you think that a government that must earn it's own money is going to be spending it on social welfare?
If that's it's only purpose in existing, then yes.
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NO, your logic is perfectly illogical.
Mining wouldn't be the only thing paying for the social welfare, I have explained this over and over.
The DMV still makes money
Toll roads still make money
Camping and entering parks
Hunting Permits
They can create online wallets and charge us transfer fees
Or do the same thing by creating a coin exchange website
Or an ebay type website
Or a silk road type website
The government simply has to earn its own money (in this scenario), mining is not the only thing it should do.
And you think that a government that must earn it's own money is going to be spending it on social welfare?
If that's it's only purpose in existing, then yes.
Please Read
NO, your logic is perfectly illogical.
Mining wouldn't be the only thing paying for the social welfare, I have explained this over and over.
The DMV still makes money
Toll roads still make money
Camping and entering parks
Hunting Permits
They can create online wallets and charge us transfer fees
Or do the same thing by creating a coin exchange website
Or an ebay type website
Or a silk road type website
The government simply has to earn its own money (in this scenario), mining is not the only thing it should do.
And you think that a government that must earn it's own money is going to be spending it on social welfare?
If that's it's only purpose in existing, then yes.
Each county, and town ship should be its own corporation, free of ties from the federal government. But they should still come together to form the "State". And the state should be a Robosocialist Republic.
And you think that a government that must earn it's own money is going to be spending it on social welfare?
If that's t's only purpose in existing, then yes.
1. We can build our own towns, roads and water grids, which has been proven by the masonic societies. Compare America to Mexico and you will see what I mean.
2. We can police ourselves, and I see no reason why police should not already be volunteers.
3. The only reserves they need is for war, and other foreign dealings. There should be no "foreign policy" except for "free trade".
The government simply has to earn its own money (in this scenario), mining is not the only thing it should do.
And you think that a government that must earn it's own money is going to be spending it on social welfare?
I'm saying, people would never start using them; nobody would bother.
In relation to your last statement: If wealth is not created from thin air, you cannot share what wealth you didn't create from thin air.
Have you seen Zeitgeist?
Yes they would, people already use alternative coins. And if they have a use, people would use new ones. Like the gold in World of Warcraft, I bet it could be considered an online currency, because I bet there are people trading REAL world stuff (I know they at least trade money for gold).
If someone invented a game that used their new currency, then bam, the currency is at least as valuable as their game. Then make a forum, and make people pay coins as membership fees, bam, two real world applications for your coin. Then start selling candy bars for coins, bam, now people are wondering where to get coins so they can get a candy bar.
I am not talking about making it from thin air, is your point that you do not think I have the ability to build capitol? Because I do, I am not "proposing" plans, I am presenting them.
No I have not seen zeitgeist, but everyone tries to make me watch that video and they think it's awesome. I have seen the first 20 minutes though and I learned all that stuff when I was like 13.
Social welfare paid for by mining those new coins! I gotta admit, your logic is perfect (-ly circular).
NO, your logic is perfectly illogical.
Mining wouldn't be the only thing paying for the social welfare, I have explained this over and over.
The DMV still makes money
Toll roads still make money
Camping and entering parks
Hunting Permits
They can create online wallets and charge us transfer fees
Or do the same thing by creating a coin exchange website
Or an ebay type website
Or a silk road type website
The government simply has to earn its own money (in this scenario), mining is not the only thing it should do.
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