Let There Be Dark! Bitcoin Dark Wallet - page 11.

waxwing

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Quote from: b!z on November 01, 2013, 06:49:08 AM

Can someone explain how their donation address starts with a 3, and not 1? https://blockchain.info/address/32wRDBezxnazSBxMrMqLWqD1ajwEqnDnMc

I think I read somewhere that Bitcoin addresses can only start with 1, and the feature for addresses starting with 3 has not been developed yet.

It has been developed and in place for quite a while.

Multisignature addresses on the main network always start with a 3. They can be used to give more than one person control over the spending out from that address. Example: any 3 people, from a total of 5, would have to agree in order to spend the coins stored at that address. I believe that's the case in this instance, although in general it can be "any N people out of M".

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Can someone explain how their donation address starts with a 3, and not 1? https://blockchain.info/address/32wRDBezxnazSBxMrMqLWqD1ajwEqnDnMc

I think I read somewhere that Bitcoin addresses can only start with 1, and the feature for addresses starting with 3 has not been developed yet.

Unluckyduck

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Lol backers will be left in the dark for sure. Cheesy

genjix

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50% raised in 24 hours (including BTC donations)

looks like electrum, hive and libbitcoin are going to find a way we can all work together. everybody wins because developers can focus on one thing and we can build a diverse modular opensource software ecosystem. with the libbitcoin, obelisk, sx, mixer, proxy broadcaster, python desktop libs, python desktop core (electrum) and interfaces created by hive team, we will have an awesome setup for everyone.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/combine-projects-libbitcoinobelisk-libraries-electrum-and-hive-322483

I was already before developing electrum, and hive wallet is doing a really good job at what I was trying to achieve before (and not getting far). all our projects can help each other, and I aim with the crowdfunding to offer common infrastructure towards this effort.

Trader Steve

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"How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time..."

This sounds exciting. I've been following the CoinJoin thread for a while and would love to see this implemented. Making a donation now.

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Quote from: inform on October 31, 2013, 08:56:19 PM

This some new Huh

So point me the problem then?

inform

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This some new Huh

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Quote from: ixne on October 31, 2013, 04:54:06 PM

Using multiple addresses doesn't make transactions untraceable, just more complicated. There's a big difference between security and obscurity, and you're describing the latter.

Further, there is a big difference between anonymity and and privacy. Bitcoin is already anonymous, but it has absolutely no privacy.

This is why I don't really understand the privacy concerns:

You have some dirty bitcoins in your wallet.

You send these dirty bitcoins to another wallet you own.

If someone questions you about the second wallet, you say you bought them anonymously from local bitcoins.

Where is the problem?

Anon136

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how much bloat would ubiquitous use of this "trustless mixing" add to the blockchain?

jbreher

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lose: unfind ... loose: untight

Quote from: grue on October 31, 2013, 08:35:55 PM

Quote from: jbreher on October 31, 2013, 08:34:54 PM

Quote from: grue on October 31, 2013, 05:08:20 PM

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers

how is a browser plugin discrete at all? it's as discrete as a browser bookmark to a (porn) site.

usage: The words discrete and discreet are pronounced in the same way and share the same origin but they do not mean the same thing. Discrete means ‘separate,’ as in a finite number of discrete categories, while discreet means ‘careful and circumspect,’ as in you can rely on him to be discreet .

in this case, i don't see how a browser plugin is more "discrete"(separate) than any other app.

Sorry to carry on pedantically, but that would not be the 'discreetly' in the OP, but rather 'discretely':

discrete |disˈkrēt|
adjective
individually separate and distinct: speech sounds are produced as a continuous sound signal rather than discrete units.
DERIVATIVES
discretely adverb,

grue

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Quote from: jbreher on October 31, 2013, 08:34:54 PM

Quote from: grue on October 31, 2013, 05:08:20 PM

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers

how is a browser plugin discrete at all? it's as discrete as a browser bookmark to a (porn) site.

usage: The words discrete and discreet are pronounced in the same way and share the same origin but they do not mean the same thing. Discrete means ‘separate,’ as in a finite number of discrete categories, while discreet means ‘careful and circumspect,’ as in you can rely on him to be discreet .

in this case, i don't see how a browser plugin is more "discrete"(separate) than any other app.

jbreher

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Quote from: grue on October 31, 2013, 05:08:20 PM

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers

how is a browser plugin discrete at all? it's as discrete as a browser bookmark to a (porn) site.

usage: The words discrete and discreet are pronounced in the same way and share the same origin but they do not mean the same thing. Discrete means ‘separate,’ as in a finite number of discrete categories, while discreet means ‘careful and circumspect,’ as in you can rely on him to be discreet .

genjix

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combine libbitcoin + electrum + hive: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/combine-projects-libbitcoinobelisk-libraries-electrum-and-hive-322483

grue

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers

how is a browser plugin discrete at all? it's as discrete as a browser bookmark to a (porn) site.

BadAss.Sx

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Bulletproof VPS/VPN/Email @ BadAss.Sx

Security is in your hands, not only by a tool or plugin. Please remember that instead of giving all your trust to a tool/plugin. Even Linux is safe, but there are still holes in it. Don't get me wrong, i like the way people are working for the Bitcoin scene, but 50k for developing a plugin or hook is a lot of money.

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Quote from: BadAss.Sx on October 31, 2013, 04:32:57 PM

Another trick to get funded by the name Bitcoin. Tell me, what is wrong with Electrum? You make a wallet, you save your secret key, you dump your btc's on it which you want to preserve and you dump Electrum from your pc.
Electrum make hundreds of btc addresses and as long you use a different address for every transaction, you are anonymous as hell. Want to dump money again on your Electrum? Just install Electrum, give in your secret key and voila, there it is again.

Sorry, but i do not like these kind of fund raising ideas.There are people who deserve a lot more credits for making wallets then 50k $ for making another wallet.

Using multiple addresses doesn't make transactions untraceable, just more complicated. There's a big difference between security and obscurity, and you're describing the latter.

Further, there is a big difference between anonymity and and privacy. Bitcoin is already anonymous, but it has absolutely no privacy.

Lethn

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Dark Wallet is an "Easy-To-Install plug-in that sits discreetly on users' chrome and firefox browsers

Yes, that sounds like exactly something I'd like to have installed on my PC and accessing my Bitcoin wallet, they seem like they're going to open source it but until I see that happen I won't touch it until other programmers have investigated it before hand.

BadAss.Sx

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Another trick to get funded by the name Bitcoin. Tell me, what is wrong with Electrum? You make a wallet, you save your secret key, you dump your btc's on it which you want to preserve and you dump Electrum from your pc.
Electrum make hundreds of btc addresses and as long you use a different address for every transaction, you are anonymous as hell. Want to dump money again on your Electrum? Just install Electrum, give in your secret key and voila, there it is again.

Sorry, but i do not like these kind of fund raising ideas.There are people who deserve a lot more credits for making wallets then 50k $ for making another wallet.

genjix

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http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6630/trustless-bitcoin-anonymity-here-at-last/

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anonymous-bitcoin-transactions-with-coinjoin-282086

http://bitcoinmagazine.com/what-libbitcoin-and-sx-are-and-why-they-matter/

http://libbitcoin.dyne.org/

http://libbitcoin.dyne.org/doc/

http://libbitcoin.dyne.org/libbitcoin.pdf

http://darkwallet.unsystem.net/

http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/37516/amir-taaki-bitcoin-2013-plan-b-7/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1f19sr/interview_with_amir_taaki_about_libbitcoin_the/

http://sx.dyne.org/

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/landmark-event-for-bitcoin-first-full-independent-wallet-291581

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/subvertx-command-line-utilities-proof-of-concept-using-libbitcoin-50721

https://github.com/spesmilo/libbitcoin

https://github.com/spesmilo/obelisk

https://github.com/spesmilo/sx

http://www.ohloh.net/p/libbitcoin/estimated_cost

https://github.com/caedesvvv/zmqproto (pure Python reimplementation of ZeroMQ)
+
https://github.com/caedesvvv/python-obelisk-client
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https://github.com/vbuterin/pybitcointools
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https://github.com/Bobalot/blockalchemy
= python client side library

our ingredients:

* libbitcoin full validating node (async c++ toolkit bitcoin library)
* obelisk blockchain query server
* sx admin tools
* coinjoin bitcoin laundry mixer by pablo
* re-broadcaster to avoid triangulation
* python client side libraries (combination of pablo's obelisk-client, vitalik's Pybtctools, robert's blockalchemy)

shopping list:

* python core
* javascript front end
* usability, testing, Q&A, porting to multiple platforms
* design work
* infrastructure maintanence

this is not simple stuff, and we've already been working on this for 3+ years with no financial support fulltime.

cody is crystallising this together for us in a usable coherant whole as our director. we are a community and everyone is free to participate through our mailing list on unsystem.net

mailing list: https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem

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Which comes first?

Donating $50,000
Finding out what it is and how it is supposed to work

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