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sr. member
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I do not see the relevance of comparing terrahash (they never organized GB), metabank, knc, bfl or any other company with Steamboat (LSDinc).
But if you want to compare, terrashash admited to spent around $40 on parts heatsink included! Yes, I am complaining about steamboat insulting 25% refund offer!! He has pocketed a lot for nothing in return! That has nothing to do with chip orders/refunds! It was his decision to offer assambly service and he took preorder! He knew a long time about klondike problems and said nothing, he has 180 sample chips from this GB? What about them? I doubt he sent them all to the bkkcoins.He has never ask what to do with a sample chips! Scale of the lose does not matter, but to build a company with this comunity money and transfer all the risk on that same comunity is wrong! He never ask for any decision or consultion from us, kept us in the dark and made decision solely himself. He need to provide some inovices and proovs to backup his claims!
Where are these hardware and software experts confirming the design? How much he paid to bkk for licence fee? Hearsay is worthless and he need to back up all expenses! He will have his day on court to provide it all!
Hes not able to update in timely fashion and who knows would he assambly them within 3 days if chips did arrived on time!
And what has to do bitcoin as paymant for buying hardware defined as risky!? Its not a gamble in terms of not receiving what you have paid for but in terms what you would mine with your miner hardware (ROI, btc price etc)!
Come on Steamboat, what is going on?
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1057
bigtimespaghetti.com
This is the only glimmer of hope:

Also there will be some compensation for trade-in and chip order customers. ( you are entitled regardless, so don't think I am trying to sway your decision. )

Regardless of the outcome, nothing excuses the lack of communication from Steamboat.

After the lengthy email about no communication we can only assume that SB is very busy. Though I don't understand how busy you need to be to be unable to communicate a paragraph or two once a week.
full member
Activity: 193
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This is the only glimmer of hope:

Also there will be some compensation for trade-in and chip order customers. ( you are entitled regardless, so don't think I am trying to sway your decision. )

Regardless of the outcome, nothing excuses the lack of communication from Steamboat.
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1057
bigtimespaghetti.com
I've gotta admit that I'm getting a little concerned. I know SB is probably busy, but a lot of us just want to put this mess behind us.
newbie
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I'm ready to get my assembly "refund" such as it is and be done with this crap already!

WFT is going on, and WHY NO UPDATE?! I'm trying to be "happy" with the offered measly 25% refund on assembly. But I'm quickly getting to the point where that's not gonna do it for me.

Steamboat - How about taking a few minutes to let us know what the FUCK is going on with the rest of the chip refunds, and the assembly refunds? Not to mention letting us know if chips have shipped. AND As for using my BOM parts for a future build - that is completely out of the question. I'll never send SB another dime. Lack of communication has ensured I'll never do business with SB again. I CERTAINLY have no interest in any future assembly projects he might offer.

And if I'm not getting a FULL assembly refund, I want every single BOM part, cable, and heat sink shipped to me. Furthermore, if I learn that SB is using MY parts for building ANY different product without first offering me a full refund, legal action will ensue.

Yofi screwed this up for everyone, it's true. But at this point, I think BS is actually doing worse than BitSyncom did as far as "updates". You're lack of simple updates is inexcusable.

I've been patient. I've been patient some more. I've tried to be positive though all the waiting. But now I'm of tired waiting. In fact, I'm fucking pissed!

IT'S WELL PAST TIME TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

Considering that when you signed up it explicitly stated NO REFUNDS, you should be happy with the refund you have gotten and should really quit belly-aching, you sound like a 13 year old. Would you rather have ordered from Terrahash?

No refunds for chips.  I don't see why assembly can't be refunded (it wasn't outlined).  I'm with him, if I only get 25% refund I want the parts shipped to me.

I thought I read somewhere that this was an option. If you want your (semi) useless components, I am pretty sure you can have them, but why such a hurry? Got some
chips laying around? But that wasn't really my point. We could be getting NOTHING. Or 50% like Terrahash. Do people think all the senseless whining will make him want to give you more? He busted his ass because he was trying to  have us miners within days of receiving chips. Money was spent on our behalf, some of which cannot be recouped. Deal with it. I am not pissed, and do you know why? I didn't risk more than I could afford to lose on this EXTREMELY risky speculative venture.
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Developer
I'm ready to get my assembly "refund" such as it is and be done with this crap already!

WFT is going on, and WHY NO UPDATE?! I'm trying to be "happy" with the offered measly 25% refund on assembly. But I'm quickly getting to the point where that's not gonna do it for me.

Steamboat - How about taking a few minutes to let us know what the FUCK is going on with the rest of the chip refunds, and the assembly refunds? Not to mention letting us know if chips have shipped. AND As for using my BOM parts for a future build - that is completely out of the question. I'll never send SB another dime. Lack of communication has ensured I'll never do business with SB again. I CERTAINLY have no interest in any future assembly projects he might offer.

And if I'm not getting a FULL assembly refund, I want every single BOM part, cable, and heat sink shipped to me. Furthermore, if I learn that SB is using MY parts for building ANY different product without first offering me a full refund, legal action will ensue.

Yofi screwed this up for everyone, it's true. But at this point, I think BS is actually doing worse than BitSyncom did as far as "updates". You're lack of simple updates is inexcusable.

I've been patient. I've been patient some more. I've tried to be positive though all the waiting. But now I'm of tired waiting. In fact, I'm fucking pissed!

IT'S WELL PAST TIME TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

Considering that when you signed up it explicitly stated NO REFUNDS, you should be happy with the refund you have gotten and should really quit belly-aching, you sound like a 13 year old. Would you rather have ordered from Terrahash?

No refunds for chips.  I don't see why assembly can't be refunded (it wasn't outlined).  I'm with him, if I only get 25% refund I want the parts shipped to me.
newbie
Activity: 23
Merit: 0
I'm ready to get my assembly "refund" such as it is and be done with this crap already!

WFT is going on, and WHY NO UPDATE?! I'm trying to be "happy" with the offered measly 25% refund on assembly. But I'm quickly getting to the point where that's not gonna do it for me.

Steamboat - How about taking a few minutes to let us know what the FUCK is going on with the rest of the chip refunds, and the assembly refunds? Not to mention letting us know if chips have shipped. AND As for using my BOM parts for a future build - that is completely out of the question. I'll never send SB another dime. Lack of communication has ensured I'll never do business with SB again. I CERTAINLY have no interest in any future assembly projects he might offer.

And if I'm not getting a FULL assembly refund, I want every single BOM part, cable, and heat sink shipped to me. Furthermore, if I learn that SB is using MY parts for building ANY different product without first offering me a full refund, legal action will ensue.

Yofi screwed this up for everyone, it's true. But at this point, I think BS is actually doing worse than BitSyncom did as far as "updates". You're lack of simple updates is inexcusable.

I've been patient. I've been patient some more. I've tried to be positive though all the waiting. But now I'm of tired waiting. In fact, I'm fucking pissed!

IT'S WELL PAST TIME TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

Considering that when you signed up it explicitly stated NO REFUNDS, you should be happy with the refund you have gotten and should really quit belly-aching, you sound like a 13 year old. Would you rather have ordered from Terrahash?
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Easy guys,hes workin on an update,should be very soon  Cool

Maybe midweek  Wink

Nobody is getting scammed guys. We all got screwed, Steamboat included, by the delay in chips.

Like the man said, nobody who wants refunds will be refused.

Patience.

hero member
Activity: 529
Merit: 501
Easy guys,hes workin on an update,should be very soon  Cool

Maybe midweek  Wink

Nobody is getting scammed guys. We all got screwed, Steamboat included, by the delay in chips.

Like the man said, nobody who wants refunds will be refused.

Patience.
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1001
Easy guys,hes workin on an update,should be very soon  Cool

Maybe midweek  Wink
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
This is getting rediculous now, we need answers.
full member
Activity: 163
Merit: 100
Hi Guys

If you wanna buy some Bitburners, here my auction:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304778.new#new

The Chips are already arrived to Burnin.

They are from Batch #1 Burnin order #33x

Greets
Mastahofdesastah
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
I'm ready to get my assembly "refund" such as it is and be done with this crap already!

WFT is going on, and WHY NO UPDATE?! I'm trying to be "happy" with the offered measly 25% refund on assembly. But I'm quickly getting to the point where that's not gonna do it for me.

Steamboat - How about taking a few minutes to let us know what the FUCK is going on with the rest of the chip refunds, and the assembly refunds? Not to mention letting us know if chips have shipped. AND As for using my BOM parts for a future build - that is completely out of the question. I'll never send SB another dime. Lack of communication has ensured I'll never do business with SB again. I CERTAINLY have no interest in any future assembly projects he might offer.

And if I'm not getting a FULL assembly refund, I want every single BOM part, cable, and heat sink shipped to me. Furthermore, if I learn that SB is using MY parts for building ANY different product without first offering me a full refund, legal action will ensue.

Yofi screwed this up for everyone, it's true. But at this point, I think BS is actually doing worse than BitSyncom did as far as "updates". You're lack of simple updates is inexcusable.

I've been patient. I've been patient some more. I've tried to be positive though all the waiting. But now I'm of tired waiting. In fact, I'm fucking pissed!

IT'S WELL PAST TIME TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1057
bigtimespaghetti.com
SB has exhibited integrity which has gone far, and refunded many chip orders, but an update on outstanding/late chip refunds, partial assembly refunds, and/or additional behind the scene action plan updates would be great!  

I agree.
full member
Activity: 193
Merit: 100
You sign in daily Steamboat, how about an update?
full member
Activity: 144
Merit: 100
Hello Steamboat
I sent you an email regarding change of email address.
I sent in the refund form ( hopefully signed correctly) that I received as a link from a trusted forum member.
I have sent you multiple emails.
I have not received a single reply, confirmation or even the official refund form in over the 2 weeks i began requesting refund.
I need an update.
Thank you.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Not to sound like a broken record here, but it seems like time for an SB Update.

I mean, chip refunds seem to have stopped without being completed, and there's still not word on assembly refunds. Oh, and did any batch of chips actually ship? There are so many un-answered questions...
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
I hate to keep being Debbie Downer but I am confused as to why some of you don't seem to understand the current situation. As of right ‘now’, even  if you got the chips for free, electricity for free, SB shipped the boards for FREE, you WOULD NOT make ROI.  In fact if someone came up to me TODAY with a fully functional (as in 4.5GH with no hardware errors) K16 board and asked $80 for it - I would not buy it at this point.

Again - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah7ZJVoobFY7dDRGQk1kdmJmaUJwZENKZUdNejJlWEE#gid=0

Realistically if you start mining today, a K16 might produce 0.5BTC before it hits electricity/reward break point.  


Erm, if everything was free, your investment was $0 therefore ROI is at $0. Everything you mine would be profit.

Not "everything". In his hypothetical scenario, chips, electricity, and shipping are free. I infer that means the assembly and boards themselves are not.

Ok gotcha. Smiley

I still haven't got my refund from SB.
cp1
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
Stop using branwallets
Yes, I'd rather have a refund because the chip cost refund would be more than the unit would make.  But I haven't heard back from steamboat Sad
hero member
Activity: 529
Merit: 501
I hate to keep being Debbie Downer but I am confused as to why some of you don't seem to understand the current situation. As of right ‘now’, even  if you got the chips for free, electricity for free, SB shipped the boards for FREE, you WOULD NOT make ROI.  In fact if someone came up to me TODAY with a fully functional (as in 4.5GH with no hardware errors) K16 board and asked $80 for it - I would not buy it at this point.

Again - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah7ZJVoobFY7dDRGQk1kdmJmaUJwZENKZUdNejJlWEE#gid=0

Realistically if you start mining today, a K16 might produce 0.5BTC before it hits electricity/reward break point.  


Well, what works for you, may not work for other people.

It's pretty much irrelevant at this point. Make whatever decision you're comfortable with, and stop trying to interpret what other people are doing.

Your spreadsheet, while quite nice, does not reflect certain realities.
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