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Topic: The 94% Con by Jon Montroll - page 29. (Read 85034 times)

legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1002
November 21, 2013, 05:52:14 PM
I withdrew my BTC on 18 NOV 2013.
Still in processing mode, this is ridiculous.

Date    2013-11-17 16:12:00
Transaction ID    Dnb5QQvKN1tWbR7kULACDrdK89heQn6K
Type    Withdraw
Debit    2.06771160 BTC
Credit    
Fee    0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction    
Status    Processing

yes, my patience is wearing thin.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.
November 21, 2013, 05:36:58 PM
Does anyone, apart from Ukyo and TF, have a clear understanding about Ukyo's loan's state on CL?
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
November 21, 2013, 05:34:09 PM
I forgot... ukyo being a board member of Asicminer isnt a relieve since he sold this shares practically as Passthrough Shares... he still have the shares but got the bitcoins for them from other users and is paying out the divs instead. He still has to own the shares since it would be noticed if the div-address was changed.
But this way his board seat is no indicator that he has enough money.
He sold AM shares to Rockiex (another board member in AM) and Rockiex paid him about 250 BTC for that transaction in last month, but I do not know what exactly  how many shares of AM had been sold for that 250 BTC, however I remember that after this transaction someone was successfully redeem his loan for 40 BTC with UKYO... I do not know wether UKYO is sold other's pass-through or his own shares, because I was seen someone post that the PASS THROUGH in BF is not same as it according to Friedcat in forum or the Chinese Group chat. (I can't remember exactly ,it been a while).

I am really worry about our wealth , seems all things shows that less likely he does continually processing manual  withdraws , and there are nobody post over forum says get back his/her BTC out from WeEx.

Also if Great is the director of WeEx and BF, he must knows somethings. I really hope anyone in this forum get contact with Great as him to explains what happen with WeEx.. We can't let this situation continuing ,the more time take ,the more risk and more less likely we will get our Coins back as well as the coins lent to UKYO and Great.
newbie
Activity: 16
Merit: 0
November 21, 2013, 05:18:01 PM
Ticket ID: QMV-218365
Date   2013-11-09 21:20:17
Transaction ID   1u2i8RVMNWoT2m9LRzhBfOmsNxQkp4Zh
Type   Withdraw
Debit   9.45888272 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing

AND

Ticket ID: IJJ-846480   
Date   2013-11-05 13:56:03
Transaction ID   N1uuEQIRIfYWJ23gC5rEwvxjI54C7hUj
Type   Withdraw
Debit   8.45000000 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
November 21, 2013, 05:07:50 PM
Date   2013-11-13 12:16:26
Transaction ID   XTJ7pPOWFcHQcNugaE70eAe3k6NSR93W
Type   Withdraw
Debit   3.96339360 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing

Ticket ID: TZZ-645850
member
Activity: 82
Merit: 10
November 21, 2013, 04:51:28 PM
Code:
Date 2013-11-04 21:43:46
Transaction ID 20oRAGQ8pR0ZBTYTCeqT6HQYTzA0egvC
Type Withdraw
Debit 9.07473721 BTC
Credit
Fee 0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing

Posting my stuck withdrawal in here as well.
member
Activity: 89
Merit: 14
November 21, 2013, 04:46:32 PM
Also waiting, patience wearing thin like many others I see here. Hopefully our patience is rewarded with free flowing withdrawals.

Code:
Date 2013-11-05 14:51:02
Transaction ID UYFIS6EzZSpJ3ITCOXvRm9bTqd418DWz
Type Withdraw
Debit 1.24847835 BTC
Credit
Fee 0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction
Status Processing

Ticket ID Subject Status Action
ILB-233302 BTC Withdrawal Stuck Open [2013-11-05 16:09:58]

Ticket has no response, despite multiple attempts to get a reply.

I still don't understand why there isn't a big notice on the WeExchange explaining that there is a problem. Surely this should have been done weeks ago? I've also got another 2.5 BTC in balance behind that, waiting to reclaim.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 1083
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November 21, 2013, 04:13:44 PM
I forgot... ukyo being a board member of Asicminer isnt a relieve since he sold this shares practically as Passthrough Shares... he still have the shares but got the bitcoins for them from other users and is paying out the divs instead. He still has to own the shares since it would be noticed if the div-address was changed.
But this way his board seat is no indicator that he has enough money.
member
Activity: 61
Merit: 10
November 21, 2013, 04:04:16 PM
add me to the list.


Date   2013-11-05 11:57:02
Transaction ID   LcjWIU5sSKBKO5lg5mv05gg4sZNKPMY4
Type   Withdraw
Debit   0.15358660 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 1083
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November 21, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
So another day without a response from ukyo...

Someone knows if ukyo has other wealth somewhere? At least if he has other wealth we could know somewhat that he would be able to pay back. Im not sure but i believe ukyo was a board member of Asicminer which means he has >=5000 Asicminer shares. They are worth 0.4BTC now. Something like that. So he should at least own 2000BTC privately. Of course only if he (still) owns these share.

Any other hint?

I've spoken to UKYO several times and he was trying to sort a system to show withdrawals to a third party.

So you claim that he still is doint manual withdraws? It doesnt look to me like it. Some days ago occassionally someone wrote he got his bitcoins back. That stopped since 4 days now. So i wonder if bitcoind stopped working even with manually doing requests.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.
November 21, 2013, 02:57:28 PM
So what are your theories?
One of mine include TF and Ukyo, currently sharing both the "stolen" 4.1k BTC, and all the remaning assets on both sides.
newbie
Activity: 23
Merit: 0
November 21, 2013, 02:43:04 PM
Please add my missing BTC to the list too. Thanks.

Username     WeExchange ID                                      Amount          Time Stamp
sauteedcat    0Yr6hs6FBCmWQh1xACeln5cpiymciB2T       1.95               2013-11-04 16:48:52
sauteedcat    Zk36226uOJkOCKHdEJ7ZMJ6SPFBJ7SrO      0.1026061       2013-11-21 00:11:48
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 100
November 21, 2013, 12:52:03 PM
So what are your theories?
Ukyo fixing "wallet overload" problem which happened not when site was experiencing it's peak traffic, but after winding down?!

I don't really believe in "manual withdrawals".
Rather that people who send coins lately funded those so called manual processed withdrawals.
I did that unfortunately and from what I can read there were others.

For me the most reasonable guess is that there was a data corruption and some of the coin exists only on /dev/null device.
Hope I am wrong with that. But a month delay doesn't sound like tweaking to me.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
November 21, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
Just a couple of more questions. If an exchange implements multisig what do I have to do differently when I deposit btc there?

Nothing different to send money there. It just means they can't -spend- it without you signing from your own key, which could work like blockchain.info or through other software. At present, you send your money somewhere and they have complete control of it. You don't know if they've spent it. You can't see it on the blockchain.

Actual implementations are on-going as it's a little tricky.
full member
Activity: 167
Merit: 100
November 21, 2013, 12:14:28 PM

Multisig done correctly means that two keys are required to move funds out of an address. That means the on-line wallet cannot access your funds without your permission. It takes some extra work to implement but a few developers are now doing that, and I know of multiple exchanges now working on this. It's going to be standard next year.

Multisig will also help protect your own wallets in future, e.g. by having a 3rd party confirmation service with custom security restrictions or having the second key on e.g. your phone. This reduces the security issues with Bitcoin wallets whereby it's really not easy for most people to secure their money (certainly non technical, but even technical). Not completely, but it will make is much easier.

Just a couple of more questions. If an exchange implements multisig what do I have to do differently when I deposit btc there?

If I understand it correctly, the exchange cannot access my deposited bitcoins without me signing with my private key. So this means that whatever I deposit will sit in their wallet unless I agree that they can send it somewhere. What I do not understand is that if I use my deposited funds to buy securities then some of my funds will have to be transferred into somebody else's address also administered by the exchange. So in effect I have to sign each transaction with my private key to enable this to go through. But how can I be sure that my funds are indeed transferred to the right person's address?

If you could provide a link with a detailed description that would also help.
hero member
Activity: 736
Merit: 508
November 21, 2013, 12:11:37 PM
I started a new thread to keep track about all infos about this issue and Ukyo's announcements: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/weexchange-issue-the-fall-of-ukyo-iii-updates-and-references-342122

Feel free to suggest me any detail I forgot to report
thy
hero member
Activity: 685
Merit: 500
November 21, 2013, 11:46:57 AM
I have one withdraw from weexchange that hasent been honered yet:
2013-10-28 23:22:06    4.01 btc     processing

Is there any point in sending over more btc from bitfunder to weexchange at the moment will it even show up on weexchange now with the problems he has or will that just delay ukyo's payments even more if his bitcoind gets more to process, has anyone transferred over any more btc lately from bitfunder to weexchange ?
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
November 21, 2013, 11:29:24 AM
In the mean time, please can you all post in support of multi-sig on Havelock, in such a form that Havelock never have both keys.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3661143


Could you please explain what this is good for and how it is done  technically? I think that there are many people out there who don't have a clue.

Thanks!

Multisig done correctly means that two keys are required to move funds out of an address. That means the on-line wallet cannot access your funds without your permission. It takes some extra work to implement but a few developers are now doing that, and I know of multiple exchanges now working on this. It's going to be standard next year.

Multisig will also help protect your own wallets in future, e.g. by having a 3rd party confirmation service with custom security restrictions or having the second key on e.g. your phone. This reduces the security issues with Bitcoin wallets whereby it's really not easy for most people to secure their money (certainly non technical, but even technical). Not completely, but it will make is much easier.
hero member
Activity: 601
Merit: 503
November 21, 2013, 11:05:38 AM
Date    2013-11-15 13:49:40
Transaction ID    ce3ikESi3eaOYaq9QRNL9Mgb2gXbFlTL
Type    Withdraw
Debit    1.66142799 BTC
Credit    
Fee    0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction    
Status    Processing
full member
Activity: 167
Merit: 100
November 21, 2013, 10:47:32 AM
In the mean time, please can you all post in support of multi-sig on Havelock, in such a form that Havelock never have both keys.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3661143


Could you please explain what this is good for and how it is done  technically? I think that there are many people out there who don't have a clue.

Thanks!
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