That is the U.S.'s goal: To bring Ukraine into NATO and the EU.
It is better for Ukraine to be on good terms with both Russia and the West. Have an equal relationship with both groups. That is my opinion.
Topic: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 12. (Read 51934 times)
July 23, 2014, 02:08:32 PM
July 23, 2014, 02:03:06 PM
Still some hard to prove infos but a state like Russia would not compromise itself by presenting false or modified evidences. What Ukraine is doing on the other hand is stupidity and desperation....
ps: and about that shot in the leg.... they did it before..... way worse than ud believe... they bombed their own troops a couple of times since this crap is on. the rebels werent any better either tbh , they also colided in very unpleasant ways to say so....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgS7-b3FLn8
So is Russia saying a Ukrainian fighter jet shot down Flight MH17?ps: and about that shot in the leg.... they did it before..... way worse than ud believe... they bombed their own troops a couple of times since this crap is on. the rebels werent any better either tbh , they also colided in very unpleasant ways to say so....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgS7-b3FLn8
In the fog of war, it's hard to tell. A thorough investigation should hopefully straighten all of this out.
However, having said all that, a Ukrainian fighter jet and a Ukrainian military transport were both shot down by surface-to-air missiles fired by pro-Russian separatists. It seems more likely that the third plane, MH17, was also shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired by pro-Russian separatists.
July 23, 2014, 01:57:10 PM
MH17 arrives at football, Netherlands up to decide if will participate at Russia 2018 World Cup:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/soccer-mourning-dutch-postpone-discussion-russia-world-cup-124129223--sow.html
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/soccer-mourning-dutch-postpone-discussion-russia-world-cup-124129223--sow.html
July 23, 2014, 01:54:33 PM
However, having said all that, a Ukrainian fighter jet and a Ukrainian military transport were both shot down by surface-to-air missiles fired by pro-Russian separatists. It seems more likely that the third plane, MH17, was also shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired by pro-Russian separatists.
At what altitude? 10km?
July 23, 2014, 01:27:06 PM
Still some hard to prove infos but a state like Russia would not compromise itself by presenting false or modified evidences. What Ukraine is doing on the other hand is stupidity and desperation....
ps: and about that shot in the leg.... they did it before..... way worse than ud believe... they bombed their own troops a couple of times since this crap is on. the rebels werent any better either tbh , they also colided in very unpleasant ways to say so....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgS7-b3FLn8
So is Russia saying a Ukrainian fighter jet shot down Flight MH17?ps: and about that shot in the leg.... they did it before..... way worse than ud believe... they bombed their own troops a couple of times since this crap is on. the rebels werent any better either tbh , they also colided in very unpleasant ways to say so....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgS7-b3FLn8
In the fog of war, it's hard to tell. A thorough investigation should hopefully straighten all of this out.
However, having said all that, a Ukrainian fighter jet and a Ukrainian military transport were both shot down by surface-to-air missiles fired by pro-Russian separatists. It seems more likely that the third plane, MH17, was also shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired by pro-Russian separatists.
July 23, 2014, 11:14:28 AM
US intelligence: No direct link to Russia in Malaysia plane downing
http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligence-malaysia-plane-mh17-us/
Looks like the US is moving to the second stage: "if you can no longer maintain a lie, twist the truth"
http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligence-malaysia-plane-mh17-us/
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Unnamed US officials are telling Associated Press that their intelligence suggests Malaysia plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia, no link to Russia found.
Looks like the US is moving to the second stage: "if you can no longer maintain a lie, twist the truth"
I already thought the government was fast to conclude and point a finger. I don't think we'll ever know what is on the black box.
Could anyone confirm if the data in the black boxes is encrypted? If it is not and the militants in Donetsk didn't hand over all of them, then nothing is over yet. These black boxes seem to be in a good state, so there is no way the data can be "lost" (at least due to the crash itself).
July 23, 2014, 11:08:30 AM
US intelligence: No direct link to Russia in Malaysia plane downing
http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligence-malaysia-plane-mh17-us/
Looks like the US is moving to the second stage: "if you can no longer maintain a lie, twist the truth"
http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligence-malaysia-plane-mh17-us/
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Unnamed US officials are telling Associated Press that their intelligence suggests Malaysia plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia, no link to Russia found.
Looks like the US is moving to the second stage: "if you can no longer maintain a lie, twist the truth"
I already thought the government was fast to conclude and point a finger. I don't think we'll ever know what is on the black box.
July 23, 2014, 11:03:31 AM
http://rt.com/news/173628-malaysian-plane-crash-ukraine/
Moscow blasts Kiev’s false accusations and lack of cooperation with air crash investigators
http://rt.com/politics/175020-russia-ukraine-false-boeing/
And Russia tries to be ever constructive:
Ukrainian crisis will not split Russia and Europe - Medvedev
http://rt.com/politics/174992-russia-europe-ukraine-crisis/
Sending live now
http://rt.com/on-air/bodies-victims-plane-mh17/
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14:14 GMT:
Two aircraft carrying the remains of some of the 298 passengers who died on flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine have touched down in the Netherlands.
The planes landed in the city of Eindhoven, with relatives of the deceased and Dutch and foreign officials looking on.
RT @anaghz: The first plane with the rest of the bodies has arrived to Eindhoven @Ruptly #MH17 pic.twitter.com/iXjiEhc78K
— Ruptly (@Ruptly) July 23, 2014
The bodies of the victims, from the downed Malaysian Airlines flight, will be brought to a military base in Hilversum in the Netherlands. 193 of the passengers who died were Dutch.
Experts will work to put names to the bodies, a process that could take months.
11:27 GMT:
Since March, 432 people have been killed in the Donetsk region, 36 of them women and 6 children, the local health department has said. Over 1,000 people have been wounded.
On Tuesday alone, seven people were injured in Donetsk and four in the town of Gorlovka.
Two aircraft carrying the remains of some of the 298 passengers who died on flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine have touched down in the Netherlands.
The planes landed in the city of Eindhoven, with relatives of the deceased and Dutch and foreign officials looking on.
RT @anaghz: The first plane with the rest of the bodies has arrived to Eindhoven @Ruptly #MH17 pic.twitter.com/iXjiEhc78K
— Ruptly (@Ruptly) July 23, 2014
The bodies of the victims, from the downed Malaysian Airlines flight, will be brought to a military base in Hilversum in the Netherlands. 193 of the passengers who died were Dutch.
Experts will work to put names to the bodies, a process that could take months.
11:27 GMT:
Since March, 432 people have been killed in the Donetsk region, 36 of them women and 6 children, the local health department has said. Over 1,000 people have been wounded.
On Tuesday alone, seven people were injured in Donetsk and four in the town of Gorlovka.
Moscow blasts Kiev’s false accusations and lack of cooperation with air crash investigators
http://rt.com/politics/175020-russia-ukraine-false-boeing/
And Russia tries to be ever constructive:
Ukrainian crisis will not split Russia and Europe - Medvedev
http://rt.com/politics/174992-russia-europe-ukraine-crisis/
Sending live now
http://rt.com/on-air/bodies-victims-plane-mh17/
July 23, 2014, 08:32:52 AM
US intelligence: No direct link to Russia in Malaysia plane downing
http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligence-malaysia-plane-mh17-us/
Looks like the US is moving to the second stage: "if you can no longer maintain a lie, twist the truth"
Bogus photos of ‘Russian’ air-defense systems in Ukraine debunked by bloggers
http://rt.com/news/174868-ukraine-buk-falsification-continues/
Yes, definitely, we are in the "twist the truth" stage. Russia just needs to wait a little longer and continue doing nothing for the truth to come out.
http://rt.com/usa/174796-intelligence-malaysia-plane-mh17-us/
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Unnamed US officials are telling Associated Press that their intelligence suggests Malaysia plane shot down by anti-Kiev militia, no link to Russia found.
Looks like the US is moving to the second stage: "if you can no longer maintain a lie, twist the truth"
Bogus photos of ‘Russian’ air-defense systems in Ukraine debunked by bloggers
http://rt.com/news/174868-ukraine-buk-falsification-continues/
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Ukraine continues to concoct evidence of Russia’s air defense system’s involvement in the Boeing tragedy. This time Ukraine’s secret service has published as ‘proof’ month–old photos of Kiev’s own Buk-M missile system, claiming it is Russian.
Yes, definitely, we are in the "twist the truth" stage. Russia just needs to wait a little longer and continue doing nothing for the truth to come out.
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Hunted down Ukrainian soldier
Ukraine army conscript, Sergey Paschenko, has got into hot water after publishing a selfie against several Buk-M vehicles he was assigned to guard on his social network page VKontakte.
Blogosphere inhabitants immediately called him “separatist” and “Russian terrorist,” and threatened to kill him. The flow of insults forced Paschenko to delete the photo from his page.
But it was already too late as even the British Daily Mail newspaper in the UK had published an article on him, accompanied by his hapless Buk-M photo.
“Is this the smoking gun? This picture has emerged of a pro-Russian rebel posing in front of the same type of Buk missile launcher that is believed to have shot down MH17,” said the Daily Mail caption to the photo.
Those who pointed out that a Ukrainian soldier cannot be a “Russian terrorist” at the same time were largely ignored.
Ukraine army conscript, Sergey Paschenko, has got into hot water after publishing a selfie against several Buk-M vehicles he was assigned to guard on his social network page VKontakte.
Blogosphere inhabitants immediately called him “separatist” and “Russian terrorist,” and threatened to kill him. The flow of insults forced Paschenko to delete the photo from his page.
But it was already too late as even the British Daily Mail newspaper in the UK had published an article on him, accompanied by his hapless Buk-M photo.
“Is this the smoking gun? This picture has emerged of a pro-Russian rebel posing in front of the same type of Buk missile launcher that is believed to have shot down MH17,” said the Daily Mail caption to the photo.
Those who pointed out that a Ukrainian soldier cannot be a “Russian terrorist” at the same time were largely ignored.
July 23, 2014, 08:15:20 AM
Well.. that is the million dollar question. If it was a SA-11 Buk, then definitely there would have been a smoke plume 10 km+ long, which would remain in the atmosphere for a minimum of 3 hours. Strange that no one saw the plume. And we don't have any YouTube videos as well.
Even if no one really saw the trail of smoke, this didn't stop pro-Kiev Ukrainian activists from claiming there had actually been one:
The header says "A moment of the missile launch near Snezhnoe" (where the Malaysian Boeing was shot down).
July 23, 2014, 07:31:07 AM
But why no one saw the trail from the missile?
Well.. that is the million dollar question. If it was a SA-11 Buk, then definitely there would have been a smoke plume 10 km+ long, which would remain in the atmosphere for a minimum of 3 hours. Strange that no one saw the plume. And we don't have any YouTube videos as well.
July 23, 2014, 04:32:47 AM
Looking at all garbage coming from there, I think that it's pretty safe to say that Americans don't know shit.
Methinks, they know everything (and knew right from the start). They are just trying to preserve their reputation as much as possible in the given circumstances and avoid being cornered at the same time.
That's what Putin planned the reason he kept his mouth quiet so long is so the Americans can have their own media collapse around it when the evidence and information comes to light.
His play is to do nothing and watch the thing come back to the USA lol.
(We will see if it works though if it does brilliant move lol)
Russians have only shown their civilian radar data so far. But the military radars are much more advanced in their capabilities. Don't know if they could track an air-to-air missile, but tracking a SAM launch is absolutely possible.
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July 23, 2014, 04:13:47 AM
Looking at all garbage coming from there, I think that it's pretty safe to say that Americans don't know shit.
Methinks, they know everything (and knew right from the start). They are just trying to preserve their reputation as much as possible in the given circumstances and avoid being cornered at the same time.
That's what Putin planned the reason he kept his mouth quiet so long is so the Americans can have their own media collapse around it when the evidence and information comes to light.
His play is to do nothing and watch the thing come back to the USA lol.
(We will see if it works though if it does brilliant move lol)
July 23, 2014, 04:03:26 AM
Looking at all garbage coming from there, I think that it's pretty safe to say that Americans don't know shit.
Methinks, they know everything (and knew right from the start). They are just trying to preserve their reputation as much as possible in the given circumstances and avoid being cornered at the same time.
July 23, 2014, 03:59:20 AM
Looking at all garbage coming from there, I think it's pretty safe to say that Americans don't know shit.
July 23, 2014, 03:44:56 AM
Hm, so they even admitted that their claims were no more but bluff. Wow... And still they're implementing new sanctions? Wooooow!!)))))
July 23, 2014, 02:35:22 AM
But why no one saw the trail from the missile?
Since there was none obviously. Missile launches are detected by reconnaissance satellites (as well as radars), both Russian and American ones. They use infrared sensors detecting intense heat during a missile launch. Needless to say that the war zone in Ukraine was not deprived of these satellites' attention.
July 23, 2014, 01:54:10 AM
Nice pic, sure they needed 5 days to paint it.
But why no one saw the trail from the missile?
July 23, 2014, 01:38:37 AM
MH17: US intelligence says Russia "created conditions" for plane disaster
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-us-intelligence-russia-separatists-report
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