Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 8.

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Quote from: Tusk on July 26, 2014, 08:42:50 PM

I'm not sure if this has been posted already. Whistleblower: Ukrainian Troops Shot Down MH17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR5HtzbMy-E&list=PLKkSfhYk-XBhYhpac4yoCOYsudZ0-g84N

No, this doesn't look plausible, especially that part about drunken Ukrainian soldiers since "the [satellite] imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site". Even in the best atmospheric conditions (which were far from perfect on that day), no satellite has a resolution to see bottles and objects of equal size.

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I'm not sure if this has been posted already. Whistleblower: Ukrainian Troops Shot Down MH17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR5HtzbMy-E&list=PLKkSfhYk-XBhYhpac4yoCOYsudZ0-g84N

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‘She might be still alive!’ Parents of MH17 victim arrive at crash site in Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/175808-malaysia-plane-parent-daughter/

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The parents of 25-year-old Fatima, who was among the passengers on board the tragic Malaysian plane, don’t want to believe their daughter is dead. They have arrived at the crash site in eastern Ukraine, and are determined to look for her.

George and Angela Dyczynski from Perth, Australia, laid flowers at the site of the crashed Malaysian Airplane jet near the village of Grabovo for their daughter, Fatima Dyczynski, on Saturday. They were the first relatives of the plane victims to arrive at the site of the tragedy, according to NBC's Kier Simmons.

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"Nobody speaks about survivors and there must be a reason for it. There is some evidence there are survivors still."

Poor people. I know first-hand this denial of a loss in grief.

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Quote from: chopstick on July 25, 2014, 12:27:52 AM

Quote from: ABitNut on July 24, 2014, 10:08:53 PM

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Quote from: ABitNut on July 24, 2014, 08:33:30 PM

So the USA basically said, "We have evidence. And we won't publish it."

Congratulations, USA. You are consciously obstructing the investigation.

Publishing the information would likely give away information about how capable our intelligence capabilities are

Fact is that the USA is obstructing the investigation. Rationalizing it doesn't change that fact. Just calling it as it is.

It is obvious why they aren't publishing the information. It's because it would incriminate the Ukraine government and not the separatists. There was a military jet flying near the passenger plane at the time it was shot down. They also confiscated the Air Traffic Control records and refuse to release them. These are both major red flags that indicate the Ukrainian government, and not the separatists, are at fault here.

Obvious false flag is obvious.

Do you have any links/sources to back this up? It sounds like you are just spreading propaganda.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 26, 2014, 03:09:23 PM

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Quote from: needbmw on July 26, 2014, 02:45:41 PM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/

Lot of photos from MH-17 crash site.

This German journalist is thorough. Good.

He's Dutch. Jeroen Akkermans works as a correspondent for the Dutch TV channel RTL. He's stationed in Germany, but also covering Eastern Europe.

Oh, isn't RTL German:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTL_Television

Googling...
There seems to be a Dutch RTL as well

RTL is originally from Luxembourg (Radio Television Luxembourg), but it's an international brand these days.

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Quote from: Rannasha on July 26, 2014, 03:05:46 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 26, 2014, 02:55:37 PM

Quote from: needbmw on July 26, 2014, 02:45:41 PM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/

Lot of photos from MH-17 crash site.

This German journalist is thorough. Good.

He's Dutch. Jeroen Akkermans works as a correspondent for the Dutch TV channel RTL. He's stationed in Germany, but also covering Eastern Europe.

Oh, isn't RTL German:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTL_Television

Googling...
There seems to be a Dutch RTL as well

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 26, 2014, 02:55:37 PM

Quote from: needbmw on July 26, 2014, 02:45:41 PM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/

Lot of photos from MH-17 crash site.

This German journalist is thorough. Good.

He's Dutch. Jeroen Akkermans works as a correspondent for the Dutch TV channel RTL. He's stationed in Germany, but also covering Eastern Europe.

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Quote from: needbmw on July 26, 2014, 02:45:41 PM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/

Lot of photos from MH-17 crash site.

This German journalist is thorough. Good.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on July 26, 2014, 02:37:23 PM

And for the notice, the ones putting more pressure over EU are the former Soviet-ring states now EU members; Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and so on. Not USA or UK.
Don't know what the Russians did there, but those guys don't fancy Russia much.

Well, in Latvia and Lithuania USSR built a strong industrial and agricultural complex. These republics had the highest living standard in the whole of USSR, and even people from Moscow travelled to Riga or Vilnius as if to "the West". It's all gone now, of course. On the dark side, after the annexation of the Baltic states, Stalin did some forced peoples relocation, forcefully moving Latvians/Lithuanians to Russia and other Republics, and Russians to the Baltic republics, often giving only a couple hours to collect your belongings. Both peoples were victims.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/

Lot of photos from MH-17 crash site.

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Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191242509/Ukrainian-Air-Defense-Exercises-Might-be-Behind-Malaysian.html

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MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.

The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.

Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point, the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger target.

The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 passenger airplane en route from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.

This article suggests that the MH17 crash was due to Ukraine doing a military exercise with their SAM launchers in the Donetsk area. Which is pretty silly. Donetsk is in the heart of the area controlled by separatists. Why on earth have your military conduct surface-to-air missile exercises right at your enemies doorstep, an enemy that doesn't even have any air presence. The notion of conducting such an exercise, one that is irrelevant to the current conflict practically in the combat zone is absurd.

In fact, the militants over there captured a SU-25 attack plane and even managed to employ it at least once. So there is a reason behind military exercises with the SAM launchers in the Donetsk area by the Ukrainian air defense. Besides that, they may be getting ready to engage in combat with the Russian air force.

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Quote from: Rannasha on July 26, 2014, 02:32:50 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 25, 2014, 04:15:27 PM

Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191242509/Ukrainian-Air-Defense-Exercises-Might-be-Behind-Malaysian.html

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MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.

The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.

Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point, the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger target.

The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 passenger airplane en route from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.

This article suggests that the MH17 crash was due to Ukraine doing a military exercise with their SAM launchers in the Donetsk area. Which is pretty silly. Donetsk is in the heart of the area controlled by separatists. Why on earth have your military conduct surface-to-air missile exercises right at your enemies doorstep, an enemy that doesn't even have any air presence. The notion of conducting such an exercise, one that is irrelevant to the current conflict practically in the combat zone is absurd.

It's funny how Russian media keeps spinning new tales. It's a classic media tactic, throw out enough different stories that eventually the target audience (primarily the Russian people) won't know what to believe anymore and will doubt anything, including the truth.

Applies equally well to the Western audience and the way Western MSM work. Or should I say, Western MSM report a predefined blame story within seconds of an accident, without any proof, and then stick to that story regardless of what new evidence turns up?

As for "spinning new tales". It's called reporting new information as it becomes available. If you read the story carefully, it mainly benefits the Ukrainian government and their handlers in the USA. It gives Ukraine and USA a retreat route, writing it off as a regrettable accident. The information also comes from Ukraine, so I am taking it with a certain degree of scepticism.

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And for the notice, the ones putting more pressure over EU are the former Soviet-ring states now EU members; Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and so on. Not USA or UK.
Don't know what the Russians did there, but those guys don't fancy Russia much.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 26, 2014, 01:23:05 PM

Quote from: tee-rex on July 26, 2014, 12:35:19 PM

What about the black boxes? Is there any info that might have leaked out about their contents and the fate of the MH17 since they had been taken to the Netherlands? Didn't hear anything new about them so far.

Netherlands delivered them to UK for decoding. And UK is the main cheerleader of US' bashing of Russia, so no much hope for getting the truth from now on. Malaysia is under pressure from the West to start condemning Russia, but are holding out and remain level-headed in their statements.

If I am not misinformed, an international group of experts (including Russian and Ukrainian experts) are inspecting the black boxes, so there is still hope that the truth will be established after all.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 25, 2014, 04:15:27 PM

Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191242509/Ukrainian-Air-Defense-Exercises-Might-be-Behind-Malaysian.html

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MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.

The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.

Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point, the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger target.

The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 passenger airplane en route from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.

This article suggests that the MH17 crash was due to Ukraine doing a military exercise with their SAM launchers in the Donetsk area. Which is pretty silly. Donetsk is in the heart of the area controlled by separatists. Why on earth have your military conduct surface-to-air missile exercises right at your enemies doorstep, an enemy that doesn't even have any air presence. The notion of conducting such an exercise, one that is irrelevant to the current conflict practically in the combat zone is absurd.

It's funny how Russian media keeps spinning new tales. It's a classic media tactic, throw out enough different stories that eventually the target audience (primarily the Russian people) won't know what to believe anymore and will doubt anything, including the truth.

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Quote from: tee-rex on July 26, 2014, 12:35:19 PM

What about the black boxes? Is there any info that might have leaked out about their contents and the fate of the MH17 since they had been taken to the Netherlands? Didn't hear anything new about them so far.

Netherlands delivered them to UK for decoding. And UK is the main cheerleader of US' bashing of Russia, so no much hope for getting the truth from now on. Malaysia is under pressure from the West to start condemning Russia, but are holding out and remain level-headed in their statements.

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What about the black boxes? Is there any info that might have leaked out about their contents and the fate of the MH17 since they had been taken to the Netherlands? Didn't hear anything new about them so far.

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Another point that is continually by the mass media/hysteria is about access to the site, they keep harping on about it giving the perception that they being blocked, yet we have seen many instances where journalists and investigators from Malaysia Airlines are already there. IMO Its subtle mind control to divert how far behind the curve they themselves are

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 25, 2014, 04:15:27 PM

Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191242509/Ukrainian-Air-Defense-Exercises-Might-be-Behind-Malaysian.html

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MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.

The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.

Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point, the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger target.

The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 airplane en route from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.

This still doesn't throw much light as to why no one saw the trail of smoke that a Buk-M1 missile leaves behind after launch. And it is not clear either why Ukraine has not been forbidden to have such systems after that accident with the Russian TU-154 airliner shot down in 2001. Thank God that nuclear weapons have been taken from them.

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Ukrainian Air Defense Exercises Might be Behind Malaysian Aircraft Crash – Source
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140725/191242509/Ukrainian-Air-Defense-Exercises-Might-be-Behind-Malaysian.html

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MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.

The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.

Two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft on a reconnaissance mission participated in the exercise. It is likely at some point, the routes of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 and a Su-25 jet overlapped. Despite flying at different levels, they became a single dot on the radar of the missile system. Of the two, the system automatically chose a larger target.

The reasons for the actual missile launch taking place remain unknown and are still under investigation, as practical exercises with the Buk missiles has been prohibited since 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 passenger airplane en route from Novosibirsk to Tel Aviv was shot down by the Ukrainian military.

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