Topic: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 9. (Read 51958 times)

MH17: Australia and Netherlands join renewed push to secure crash site

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/australia-netherlands-push-secure-mh17-crash-site

<< Australian police sent to London anticipating access to crash site, while locals are allegedly looting items from wreckage. >>

This is getting interesting. Looks like a pretext for intervention that is MH-17 has worked:

Armed Australian police to deploy to MH17 crash site
http://rt.com/news/175444-armed-police-ukraine-mh17/

Both Senator John McCain and President Barack Obama have stated to the effect of that it is up to the people of Ukraine to decide. These statements were made usually after they were told that most Ukrainians want to join the EU and NATO.

It may just happen that no one was actually calling (or answering these calls) in the first place. And the whole story was made up...

State Dept. accuses Russia of firing artillery into Ukraine, refuses to provide any evidence
http://rt.com/usa/175388-state-department-briefing/

This an analysis of the Associated Press reporter's grilling of US state department.

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By the way, demonisation of Russia and freedom fighters continues in the Western press. Here in Norway, despite the terror threats, the largest newspaper Aftenposten still managed to find prominent place to report twice that big bad separatists are hindering the search for more bodies, and that Putin is running Russian economy into a dead-end, with a sub-article that more sanctions are being imposed against Russians.
And they had a small article that more bodies and wreckage bit have been located.

Interesting... there is an article that the victims' mobiles respond in East-Ukraine, and that strangers answer the calls.
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/De-dodes-mobiler-blir-besvart-i-Ost-Ukraina-7646719.html

Now as everyone in Ukraine and Russia knows, the first thing that happens with a stolen phone, is that its SIM card is ditched and the phone is reset. And no sane thief would answer incoming calls on a stolen phone. Whoever was answering was interested in this becoming news.

Furthermore, the Ukrainian government's air force PRACTICED DRILLS where they purposely shadowed civilian jets to disguise themselves

they practiced this shit and trained for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6vYaRtY27iY

WATCH THIS VIDEO. It is a video of a female militia member describing the fact that the Ukrainians were using the tactic of hiding behind passenger jets using military jets to PURPOSELY PROVOKE THE REBELS INTO FIRING ON THE PASSENGER JET.

This video was uploaded June 18th, a full month before the disaster happened. There is no way it could have been faked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKoKmUtQXE

Smoking fucking gun. The Ukraine government did this on purpose.

The people who are behind this coup in Ukraine are so maniacal.. so greedy and totally lusting for power... that they don't mind killing 290 innocent civilians and then lying about who did it, all so they can continue to gain power.. it is truly sick, and disgusting, and it makes me weep for this world.

It is obvious why they aren't publishing the information. It's because it would incriminate the Ukraine government and not the separatists. There was a military jet flying near the passenger plane at the time it was shot down. They also confiscated the Air Traffic Control records and refuse to release them. These are both major red flags that indicate the Ukrainian government, and not the separatists, are at fault here.

Obvious false flag is obvious.

Fact is that the USA is obstructing the investigation. Rationalizing it doesn't change that fact. Just calling it as it is.

Publishing the information would likely give away information about how capable our intelligence capabilities are

So the USA basically said, "We have evidence. And we won't publish it."

Congratulations, USA. You are consciously obstructing the investigation.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/framing-russia-fabricating-a-pretext-to-wage-war-flight-mh-17-and-operation-northwoods/5393113

As someone has said before, there is no unity inside the Ukrainian authorities, so the downing of the MH17 flight may come as a result of the covert struggle between Ukrainian oligarchs (for example, Kolomoiskiy vs Poroshenko).

True, modern jet fighters can go off the radar these days.. but still I think it doesn't make any sense to shoot down a passenger airplane for either side. I think either it was a set up by a secret service or an accident. 
 

The Ukrainian air force uses a modernized Su-25, which has a pressurized cabin (service ceiling up to 10,000 meters) and bears more powerful weapons. Also, the MH17 could have been downed by a jet fighter (like SU-27), for which it would make an easy target.

And that story was false, as we now know. There is an overwhelming evidence that KAL-007 was shot down in the Sea of Japan, mush further south, than Sakhalin. For example, debris found there could not have travelled against the current. At least 3 American war planes and possibly a number of Soviet fighters were on the other hand downed over Sakhalin, in an aerial battle both sides were loath to admit to.

http://www.amazon.com/Incident-Sakhalin-True-Mission-Flight/dp/1568580541

I don't hold much hope of the MH-17 mystery being solved within the next 10-15 years...

All you need is to make the majority believe. What opposition communist/terrorists thinks is not as important. They get a majority of People screaming for Putins head that will be enough to escalate it further.

From an Aviationweek blog:

Which is just about my reaction to the Sovi... er, Russian explanations, official and otherwise, for the shootdown of MH17. Let's take two that have floated around the Internet.

The first is that the Ukrainian air force shot the Boeing 777 down itself, using a Sukhoi Su-25 Frogfoot carrying an R-60 Aphid air-to-air missile (the only AAM normally carried by the Su-25). This would require some remarkable timing and a pilot immune to nose-bleeds, because the Su-25 can manage Mach 0.82 flat out, on a good day, and a 777 can do 0.89, and furthermore the Su-25 is unpressurized and has a normal service ceiling of 23,000 feet. No doubt coincidentally, on the day this claim was published, a Wikipedia editor with a Russian address was found trying to insert a 33,000-foot ceiling on the Su-25 page. As for the R-60, the 3 kg warhead's ability to assure a kill on a large aircraft with highly redundant systems is dubious at best.

A second theory is that two Ukrainian Su-27 fighters trailed the Boeing and somehow drew the missile on to it. Aside from the fact that the Buk-M1 is about as discriminating as a Rottweiler with ADHD, and that it could be activated at such a short range that the Su-27s would be inside its no-escape zone, the weakness of this story is its extreme similarity to the KGB-disseminated excuse for the shootdown of KAL 007, 31 years ago. The story then was that an RC-135 was deliberately shadowing the civilian 747, possibly using it to "ring the fire alarm" and gather data on Soviet air defenses.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum, can they not see how stupid this makes them look