Topic: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 7. (Read 51971 times)

Can you cut the crap about "state media" or "propaganda"?
We know from their governments. When there is some issue with Russia the Western goverments goes with some restrain. Those start right away in a "kill them all" shit.

And you base that assumption on what? How much Russia media to you read or are you just repeating what the Western mass media told you? Have you read numerous articles critical of the government and the policies? Are you still confusing USSR with Russia?

Kiev authorities may be seeking to “destroy evidence” which implicates their role in the crash of the Malaysian jet, Russia's UN envoy Vitaly Churkin said, expressing concerns over the ongoing military operation in E. Ukraine in breach of UN resolution.

According to Churkin, the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko promised a cease-fire in the disaster area,“but this promise was immediately broken, while Ukrainian officials have publicly announced a new task – to cleanse of the militias and take control of this territory," Churkin said in New York.

Such actions directly violate UN Security Council resolution 2166, which calls for a ceasefire and for thorough and impartial investigation into the Boeing tragedy under the ICAO umbrella, Churkin added.

“We fear that Kiev authorities are moved by the intention to destroy evidence, implicating their role in the Malaysian airliner catastrophe,” Churkin said.

In order to ensure compliance with the ceasefire resolution and reinforce it, on Monday the Russian delegation to the UN proposed to adopt“a simple and unambiguous statement to the press.”

“However, [Russia’s proposal] was unceremoniously blocked by some members of the Security Council, clearly not interested in strict compliance with resolution 2166,” Churkin explained.

Entry and exit impact holes of projectiles in the cockpit area

The Dutch Prime Minister, Mark Rutte, has called Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to ask government forces to stop fighting around the Malaysia Airlines crash site after experts were unable to get there for a third day running.

Guy Moyssen 29.07.2014 12:54

... And rutte said to the neonazi "chocolate king" poroshenko: stop your attacks on civilians using Grad rockets! We need to collect evidence to blame Russia for the downing of the malaysian airliner!

Rocket blast caused ‘massive explosive decompression,’ downing MH17 – Kiev
http://rt.com/news/176136-mh17-crash-rocket-ukraine/


Kiev caught red-handed again! 

Ukraine says analysis of the black box flight recorders from the downed Malaysia Airlines plane shows it was destroyed by shrapnel from a rocket blast. Dutch investigators, however, say they have not shared data with Kiev, calling the claim “premature.”

And that is the sad bit. Because that way your country loses a part of what defines it as a state: sovereignty.
It's even sadder for countries that were Russian friends throughout history, whom Russia helped on numerous occasions, and who are now forced to go not only against that friendship, but also against their sound economical interests. I am thinking about Bulgaria here.

About the ex-Soviet Republics, and because the reply before I was at my mobile, my source isn't any media, but by their diplomatic pressure, they keep saying we are too soft for Russia.
A country like mine, Portugal, doesn't have a single battle against Russia anywhere at all at its History, our gas comes from North Africa, so we logically wouldn't harass Russia for no reason. We always had great relation with it. We will do however what EU requests because we are part of it.

Russia’s Defense Ministry has stated that “fake” satellite images of alleged shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory were created by US counselors “with close links to Ukraine’s Security Council.”

The authenticity of the images is impossible to prove, the ministry added.

International experts have been unable to visit the crash site of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, due to heavy fighting in the Donetsk area. Kiev and anti-government forces are blaming each other for hampering the investigation.

“We heard indications there's fighting going on,” said Alexander Hug, deputy head for the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) monitoring mission in Ukraine.

“The situation on the ground appears to be unsafe...we therefore decided to deploy tomorrow morning,” he added.

Hug expressed concerns that the fighting near the village of Grabovo in Ukraine’s Donetsk region will “most likely affect crash site.”

Russia assembles MH17 investigation team

Meanwhile, Moscow has put together a team of experts to take part in the international investigation. Oleg Storchevoy, desputy head of Russia's federal air traffic agency Rosaviation, has been put in charge of the group.

According to Storchevoy, the main task of the international experts will be “finding the true reasons which led to this tragedy,” because “the whole world, including Russia, is interested in objective investigation.”

The first legal question is whether or not accidentally shooting down a passenger plane when you meant to shoot down a fighter jet could be classified as an act of terrorism. In my opinion, the answer is a resounding ‘no.’

Crack open any textbook on criminal law and you’ll find that intent forms a pretty basic part of most crimes. There are some things you simply cannot do by accident and being a terrorist is one of them.

Who constructed this narrative of a Putin-led Russia somehow in favor of terrorists complete with ready-made petition? Concerned citizens appalled by some unspecified Russian behavior?

Or Alex Konanykhin, former Russian oligarch who has been wanted in Russia since Yeltsin’s days to face charges relating to embezzlement and financial fraud and whose American business ventures include WikiExperts.us (which accepted money to write Wikipedia entries for businesses until it was banned), and Transparent Business (which allows employers to monitor their employees’ computer activity in real time), and who was the Republican National Committee’s choice for New York Businessman of the Year in 2004?

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Despite originating from a questionable source, Konanykhin’s work has apparently prepared the “Russia sponsors terrorism” line, in much the same way as the Bene Gesserit prepared the hapless residents of Dune to accept the Kwisatz Haderach in Frank Herbert’s famous dystopian novels. First invent the narrative, then press the facts into it. It might have been OK for science-fiction, but law isn’t supposed to work this way.

There are three questions to be answered in regards to MH17: one factual and two legal. The factual question is whether or not the Donetsk rebels shot down MH17 by accident. We do not know the answer to this question at the time of writing, but hopefully this will be revealed. The rest of this article examines how we would answering the two legal questions under the assumption that the factual question has been answered and the Donetsk rebels did indeed shoot down MH17 under the mistaken belief that it was a fighter jet. It is obviously a large assumption, but considering that accusations of sponsoring terrorism are now being bandied about on academic blogs, I think it is well worth exploring.

The western media is generally free to publish whatever they want. They will often restrain themselves to protect their reputation but legally can publish what they wish. The  Russian media in the other hand is controlled by the government and is not free to publish what they want.

Can you cut the crap about "state media" or "propaganda"?
We know from their governments. When there is some issue with Russia the Western goverments goes with some restrain. Those start right away in a "kill them all" shit.

Where do you keep getting this shit from?

Why do you think Lithuania doesn't like Russia much today? Because of Western propaganda? Or maybe because the Baltic states were basically just slave states, forced to export most of the produce East.

Explain why the children were forced to learn Russian at school?

LOL. I don't think this even needs a response other then the fact that this is funny.

Where do you keep getting this shit from?

Why do you think Lithuania doesn't like Russia much today? Because of Western propaganda? Or maybe because the Baltic states were basically just slave states, forced to export most of the produce East.

Explain why the children were forced to learn Russian at school?

Well, in Latvia and Lithuania USSR built a strong industrial and agricultural complex. These republics had the highest living standard in the whole of USSR,

No, this doesn't look plausible, especially that part about drunken Ukrainian soldiers since "the [satellite] imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site". Even in the best atmospheric conditions (which were far from perfect on that day), no satellite has a resolution to see bottles and objects of equal size.