Topic: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border - page 13. (Read 51934 times)

US: No evidence of direct Russian link to plane

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior U.S. intelligence officials say they have no evidence of direct Russian government involvement in the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

They say the passenger jet was likely felled by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine and that Russia "created the conditions" for the downing by arming the separatists.

The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people.

They said they did not know if any Russians were present at the missile launch, and they wouldn't say that the missile crew was trained in Russia.

A senior official said the most likely explanation was the plane was shot down by mistake.

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"was likely", "most likely" - WTF?  

"US President Barack Obama has said evidence so far indicates that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 carrying 298 people was shot down by a surface-to-air missile from an area in Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists"

Barack, you are lier.

"The secretary of state, John Kerry, said on Sunday that all the evidence surrounding the downed Malaysian passenger plane pointed a clear finger at Ukrainian separatists." - The Guardian

John, you are lier too.

The shrapnel could easily have gone all the way through the plane. The body of the plane is in no way reinforced and is not designed to withstand missile attacks.

Part of the cockpit full of holes and very accurately reconstructed original position on the plane. If this was caused by missile detonation and subsequent "shraphel shower", I suppose that everyone in there were instantly incapacitated:

No, you are wrong for pretty obvious reasons. The shrapnel from a SAM (70 kilograms of explosives in a Buk missile) would pierce through an aircraft hull like a hot knife through butter. An airliner is absolutely not a heavy armored attack plane.

Also, it is not given that a SAM would explode under the airliner.

I just cannot believe that there are so many adequate and objective representatives from the Western world here. Thank you so much, guys, thank you for being fair and just.

I think, it could also be a software bug.. after all, lots of weapons use software these days. But of course, for the politicians its easy to blame an entire nation for the action of a single entity or a few individuals

Depending upon which part of the plane this segment is, we can ascertain whether it was a surface-to-air missile or an air-to-air missile. If it was a SAM, then the top portion of the plane will bear no shrapnel damage.

Talk is cheap, show us the evidence at last, Mr. President (if you have any at all).

Apoligize? Are you kidding. The US was behind the illegal coup and putting in of the neo Nazi government. Wake the hell up will you.

7 is the calling code of Russia
7 deadly sins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
7 wonders of the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Wonders_of_the_Ancient_World
7 seas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Seas
7 ancient planets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet
7 colors in a rainbow (red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_G._Biv
7 note diatonic musical scale ( do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, and ti/si)
7 the number of SI base units http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit (metre, kilogram, second, ampere, kelvin, mole, candela)
7 the prefect number according to the Pythagoras http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/ancientlandmarks/PythagScienceOfNumbers.html
7 day week: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-day_week
7 is the most common double dice roll, proven by statistics as you get 1+6, 2+5, 3+4 Seven is the sum of any two opposite sides on a standard six-sided dice
7 year itch  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_seven-year_itch
7 virtues (chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, kindness, patience, and humility)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Virtues
7 days in the Bible Joshua marched his army around the city walls for and he was accompanied by 7 priests carrying 7 trumpets http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0606.htm#1
7 suicides mentioned in the Bible
7 seals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_seals
7 archangels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Archangels
7 heavens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Heavens
7 lucky gods http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Lucky_Gods
7 last words from the cross http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayings_of_Jesus_on_the_cross  Forgiveness, Salvation, Relationship, Abandonment, Distress, Triumph, Reunion
7 bowls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_bowls
7 seven churches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_churches_of_Asia
7 number of nations God told the Israelites they would displace when they entered the land of Israel (Deut. 7:1):
(Hittite, Girgashite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, Jebusite)
7 layers of the Earth according to Islamic religion,  also 7 skies, 7 heavens, 7 hells, 7 doors to hell, 7 ayats, 7 big sins
7 the number of steps Buddha walked on his birth
7 divine women were left behind on earth and became the ancestresses of all humankind In Khasi and  Hindu mythology
7 the number of main islands of mythological Atlantis
Bitcoin has 7 letters  

This photo doesn't allow us to tell if the plane was hit by a surface-to-air missile launched from the ground or an air-to-air missile deployed from a jet fighter. Close range AAMs ("dogfight" missiles) usually use infrared guidance (so they are called heat-seeking missiles), and since they hit the target aircraft engines, these perforations may come as a result of a blown-up engine.

Jet Wreckage Bears Signs of Impact by Supersonic Missile, Analysis Shows

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/world/europe/jet-wreckage-bears-signs-of-impact-by-supersonic-missile-analysis-shows.html

<< A piece of wreckage from the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 that was shot down in eastern Ukraine last week bears telltale marks of small pieces of high-velocity shrapnel that apparently crippled the jet in flight. Riddled with these perforations and buffeted by a blast wave as it flew high above the conflict zone, the plane then most likely sheared apart. >>

Let me see:

7+2 = 9, so 9^-10 = 0.11111(...), now 0.11111 * 3 = 0.33333
Then √0.33333 = 0.57735(...)

What does this means?
A: Absolutely nothing, just some random math operations.

Just to clarify things, the international agreements that you call here as "obligations, commitments and laws" have to be adopted as federal laws to acquire legal force in Russia, so that they become a part of Russia's legal system. And no law can contradict the Constitution at that.

His demands are not serious in this case, so making the same demands with Benghazi would not change anything.

The issue with Obama in Benghazi is that he was basically asleep at the wheel and he did not protect the compound when it could have been saved and Obama is trying to cover up this fact.

They are using Black Magic to attempt to control world affairs.

Aleister Crowley was a big proponent of Sex Magick, the practice of raping children or engaging in beastiality in a ritualistic manner in order to gain Power.

The elite are known to engage in these kinds of sadistic rituals. It's all to gain power.

Too bad obama didn't make the same demands regarding the Benghazi compound, but then again since he called the Libyan president at liar for saying it was a terrorist attack I guess obama didn't have any pull.  And given that he lied about the Benghazi attack and covered up the facts its kind of hard to believe that Russia or putin views his demands with any credibility especially after the obama admin responded to the IRS investigation with the childish lie that the "server ate every email the investigators are interested in". Not just once but a second time when the fired fec employees email was requested as grounds for fed charges.

Four days later....and after fundraising.  Pathetic!

Obama demands access to crash site, cooperation from Russia

(RNN/CNN) - Some of the bodies recovered from the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 are on a refrigerated train, on their way back to their loved ones.

This comes after President Barack Obama demanded to the Russian-back separatist to allow investigators on the ground access to the crash site to allow those who died to rest with dignity and be reunited with their loved ones.

"Time is of the essence - our friends and allies need to be able to recover those who are lost - that what decency demands," Obama said from the White House Rose Garden.

The president also called on Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Russian government to use its influence over the pro-Russian rebels to allow investigators to the crash site. The president also expressed anger that bodies were being moved "without the care and dignity one would expect in a tragedy like this."
http://www.wtvm.com/story/26062346/obama-demands-access-to-crash-site-cooperation-from-russia

There is no reply. The US has so far refrained from releasing their satellite data, while the Russians have done so. It means that the Americans are having something to hide.

It looks like we won't be getting truth any time soon. The trace of the black boxes is starting to look too complicated:

Malaysia asks Netherlands to delegate the investigation, and the Dutch experts plan to organise a transfer of the boxes to Great Britain for decoding, and we all know how "impartial" GB is:
http://ria.ru/world/20140722/1017057680.html

This prompts Moscow to urge the transfer of the black boxes to an international expert group of ICAO for impartial decoding:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/22/icao/

In the meantime, EU is preparing an extended list of sanctions against Russia (it's starting to look absurd):
http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2014/07/22/n_6331465.shtml