Topic: Marketplace trust - page 29. (Read 83249 times)
It's too complicated. Why have 4 numbers? One number should suffice - net rating.
New number in brackets? I thought it was the number of people that have trusted that user in your trust network, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
EDIT: Number of users directly in your trust list that have gave positive feedback?
EDIT: Number of users directly in your trust list that have gave positive feedback?
What if I want to remove Theymos from my trust list.
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If you don't want to trust anyone, trust someone with an empty trust list (satoshi, for example).
What if I want to remove Theymos from my trust list.
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I guess it could work both ways. I think it would be better, if people trusted people who they had actual trades with. I feel that makes more sense in my head.
That's only because you're used to Bitcoin-otc. You shouldn't have to trade with someone to trust their opinion (this would be the case if you find yourself constantly agreeing with them), nor should you have to trust someone that you traded with in the past. IMO, this is a better system.So I guess this where I am confused. Obviously after one trade you shouldn't trust them, but after a good amount of trades you can trust them. But your saying we should trust based on opinion?
Cool new addition - Thanks!
Ah, just saw this nifty addition. Guess I'm really slow sometimes. 
Maybe it's a good idea to add a link to Trust in the upper menu.
I like it, should work out well. Hopefully it can replace the scammer tag system, but it will probably still be needed sometimes.
I was just on that tree, trust page, and it is forcing me to trust theymos... I don't want to trust theymos since I never have any trades with him. I don't get why we should be forced to trust anyone on this side, even the admin.
Ummm ... by registering with this forum you are automatically trusting it's admin - ain't that correct ?
Not really, but this is marketplace trust, I never had any trades with him so why should I have him in my trust list?
In general, what type of people would you add to your trust list? Should it basically be people who you would say that you trust for their opinions, or people you've traded/interacted with?
Considering it's solely used for what opinions you see, I would say it's the former rather than the latter (unless you trust their opinions too). I guess it could work both ways. I think it would be better, if people trusted people who they had actual trades with. I feel that makes more sense in my head.
I guess it could work both ways. I think it would be better, if people trusted people who they had actual trades with. I feel that makes more sense in my head.
That's only because you're used to Bitcoin-otc. You shouldn't have to trade with someone to trust their opinion (this would be the case if you find yourself constantly agreeing with them), nor should you have to trust someone that you traded with in the past. IMO, this is a better system.So I guess this where I am confused. Obviously after one trade you shouldn't trust them, but after a good amount of trades you can trust them. But your saying we should trust based on opinion?
Feedback = ratings for trades
Trust = who's feedback you want to see
It would be nice if there was a way to specifically exclude someone from the trust list. In the mean time, trust level 0 will only trust the people you specifically put on your list.
Yeah. It'd also be better to be able to give a score to each person on your trust list which limits how much their ratings count toward the scores. But the current system is a lot easier and more efficient. It'll be good enough for now.
Why is trust level 0 not the default?
Because the idea here is to build a trust network and let theymos delegate. If you set your depth to level zero and only have theymos on your list, only ratings directly made by theymos will show as trusted to you. Basically, level 0 is the system we already have with scammer tags. But once again, delegation is the keyword, here.I guess it could work both ways. I think it would be better, if people trusted people who they had actual trades with. I feel that makes more sense in my head.
That's only because you're used to Bitcoin-otc. You shouldn't have to trade with someone to trust their opinion (this would be the case if you find yourself constantly agreeing with them), nor should you have to trust someone that you traded with in the past. IMO, this is a better system. I did but what if I never done any trades with anyone, I shouldn't be trusting anyone technically not even theymos.
What will be bad is when one of the guys Theymos trusts and thus has all of us trust does a scam, Theymos will be somewhat at fault morally. Legally I don't know.
Did that rating company for the bonds ever get in trouble for vouching for assets and then be wrong about them after the fact?
Just to cover your ass theymos I would either have people opt into this system or just not pick people by default. Let them pick who they trust.
Exactly theymos shouldn't be the default, but you only get a max of 3 depth, so I guess that is the hedge against that situation.
Yeah, you can choose who to trust here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
Enter someone you trust there. Then, theymos will no longer be part of you trust list (unless you entered him or someone who has entered him).
Enter someone you trust there. Then, theymos will no longer be part of you trust list (unless you entered him or someone who has entered him).
It is nice we can opt out but really we should not have been forced to play esp since there is a stacked deck from the start.
The trust system will replace scammer tags for most scammers, but it's weak against scammers who were previously very-trusted (like pirateat40), and maybe also against scammers who scam only one person in 100. I will continue giving scammer tags in these cases, at least. I've also been thinking about using scammer tags as part of an arbitration system, but I need to think more about this.
Seems reasonable and a move in the right direction imo. However I would request you be open about who you trust since this is the default setting.
If you want to force people to trust who you trust and keep their names secret then please let all all opt in to the program.
I find it shocking that you are forcing most people, who do not understand the system to trust these secret people you trust.
I think that is a more than fair request, we do not need any form of secret police here.
Thanks
Maged
OgNasty
John (John K.)
Tomatocage
BadBear
BCB
TradeFortress
Thank you for the list.
I very much do not trust OgNasty or BadBear so I guess I will not be participating in this :/ Some of the others I highly trust, and a few I am neutral.
Is there a way to turn it off so i do not have to be bothered by it? Can we at least opt out to the whole system?
Or better yet just let us pick who we trust as the default?
If you don't want to trust anyone, trust someone with an empty trust list (satoshi, for example).
Yes. Consistency is very important for determining whether someone is trustworthy. Currently, your trust score will go from 0 to 1 when your oldest rating is one month old and you have 10 positive rating points. I might change the algorithm, though.
Anyone who will give useful ratings and will themselves have a good trust list. My most important consideration for my list will be choosing a trust network that doesn't have any incorrect negative scores. This will be especially important for the next few months while everyone has low trust scores. Currently, only one negative rating will result in a warning on the person's posts (each negative rating reduces the trust score by 0.5-4 points). This won't be the case after 2-3 months.
How is the first score calculated? Some users (eg John) has very high + scores, but the overall trust rating is still 0.
Does it weigh the feedback age very heavily?
Does it weigh the feedback age very heavily?
Yes. Consistency is very important for determining whether someone is trustworthy. Currently, your trust score will go from 0 to 1 when your oldest rating is one month old and you have 10 positive rating points. I might change the algorithm, though.
In general, what type of people would you add to your trust list? Should it basically be people who you would say that you trust for their opinions, or people you've traded/interacted with?
Anyone who will give useful ratings and will themselves have a good trust list. My most important consideration for my list will be choosing a trust network that doesn't have any incorrect negative scores. This will be especially important for the next few months while everyone has low trust scores. Currently, only one negative rating will result in a warning on the person's posts (each negative rating reduces the trust score by 0.5-4 points). This won't be the case after 2-3 months.
I was just on that tree, trust page, and it is forcing me to trust theymos... I don't want to trust theymos since I never have any trades with him. I don't get why we should be forced to trust anyone on this side, even the admin.
Ummm ... by registering with this forum you are automatically trusting it's admin - ain't that correct ?
Not really, but this is marketplace trust, I never had any trades with him so why should I have him in my trust list?
I did but what if I never done any trades with anyone, I shouldn't be trusting anyone technically not even theymos.
It's about who's opinions you trust, not who you have done trades with.
I was just on that tree, trust page, and it is forcing me to trust theymos... I don't want to trust theymos since I never have any trades with him. I don't get why we should be forced to trust anyone on this side, even the admin.
Ummm ... by registering with this forum you are automatically trusting it's admin - ain't that correct ?
Not really, but this is marketplace trust, I never had any trades with him so why should I have him in my trust list?
In general, what type of people would you add to your trust list? Should it basically be people who you would say that you trust for their opinions, or people you've traded/interacted with?
Considering it's solely used for what opinions you see, I would say it's the former rather than the latter (unless you trust their opinions too).
Yeah, you can choose who to trust here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
Enter someone you trust there. Then, theymos will no longer be part of you trust list (unless you entered him or someone who has entered him).
Enter someone you trust there. Then, theymos will no longer be part of you trust list (unless you entered him or someone who has entered him).
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