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What's the point of having feedback + trust if you can hand choose who it comes from? Obviously scammers will not "trust" people they scammed, so any negative feedback will never happen. Is this the way it's being set up or did I miss something?
Very positive addition in my opinion, hopefully it won't be abused. OTC is very challenging to setup and confusing for beginners so this could be the alternative many have been looking for.
+1, like this new system very much, and I also hope that it can not be abused be a few newbies pushing themselves with fake data or so.
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If people are pushing fake data they probably won't be on trust lists, hence they won't have trusted reviews.
I just happened upon this today and think it's a great idea. I don't personally like the way -otc has two sets of numbers, one of which is meaningless (well the way it's used makes it meaningless).
Very positive addition in my opinion, hopefully it won't be abused. OTC is very challenging to setup and confusing for beginners so this could be the alternative many have been looking for.
+1, like this new system very much, and I also hope that it can not be abused be a few newbies pushing themselves with fake data or so.
regards
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Awesome!
This is pretty cool. Now if only craigslist could have something like this. 
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Very positive addition in my opinion, hopefully it won't be abused. OTC is very challenging to setup and confusing for beginners so this could be the alternative many have been looking for.
Ok, I'm confused. Probably won't use it. Also I've don't thousand of trades here. Not sure how to go back and include them all.
Nice addition though. Hope it is effective.
Nice addition though. Hope it is effective.
+1 nice work theymos
Ok, I'm confused. Probably won't use it. Also I've don't thousand of trades here. Not sure how to go back and include them all.
Nice addition though. Hope it is effective.
Nice addition though. Hope it is effective.
New number in brackets? I thought it was the number of people that have trusted that user in your trust network, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
EDIT: Number of users directly in your trust list that have gave positive feedback?
EDIT: Number of users directly in your trust list that have gave positive feedback?
One person in your trust network can increase the third number to infinity (maybe literally). The fourth number in parenthesis can't be manipulated so easily. It's a rough approximation of the number of trust points from distinct users per month. So if I rate someone 3 times in one month and 3 times in another month, the fourth number should be 6. But if I rate them 1000 times in one month, their fourth number should be ~5. (But it's actually only an approximation of this.)
I needed to get this number for the trust score anyway, so I thought I'd include it.
The trust score is currently calculated like this:
floor((min(fourth_number,10*months_since_first_positive_report)/10)^2*months_since_first_positive_report - distinct_scam_reporters * scam_factor)
Where scam_factor starts at 0.5 and increases by 1 if the newest scam report is less than 7 days old and by 3 if months_since_first_positive_report is less than 2.
It will be more clear in a couple months whether this is a good algorithm. I'll tweak it more then.
Linking trust on this site with reddit is a bad idea IMO, reddit is too easy to game. All that would do is create a false sense of security for scammers and probably make it easier for them to get higher numbers.
I agree. And IMO we should consider Reddit/b and bitcointalk.org as two separate communities.
Linking trust on this site with reddit is a bad idea IMO, reddit is too easy to game. All that would do is create a false sense of security for scammers and probably make it easier for them to get higher numbers.
No, not just post karma, I also reposted top comments from previous links, it had 35k link and 15k comment.
Anyways, the chances of this getting implemented are pretty slim.
Anyways, the chances of this getting implemented are pretty slim.
You got comment karma for posting other people's comments?
And why unlikely to be implemented? Theymos administers that subreddit, too. No need for cooperation from Reddit itself, since subreddits are quite customizable. Even if it isn't incorporated into /r/Bitcoin itself, the linkage across the platforms could provide useful trust data. For instance, I'd certainly trust hardleft132's Bitcointalk account, if he has one.
It would require cooperation with bitcointip, a third party service for starters. The forum would need to get the transaction history of bitcointip users, which probably a lot of users won't agree to. It doesn't matter if it's opt in, an API call is an API call to a script (and thus, opt in matters nothing).
You can also only get a number of comments from the API. Being a moderator of a subreddit doesn't let you change the core code of reddit.
No, not just post karma, I also reposted top comments from previous links, it had 35k link and 15k comment.
Anyways, the chances of this getting implemented are pretty slim.
Anyways, the chances of this getting implemented are pretty slim.
You got comment karma for posting other people's comments? I assume you mean in comments as replies to people. In that case it's still adding some value or it wouldn't be upvoted. Maybe easy for you, but not everyone can get easy karma that way, so it's of value as a trust metric.
And why unlikely to be implemented? Theymos administers that subreddit, too. No need for cooperation from Reddit itself, since subreddits are quite customizable. Even if it isn't incorporated into /r/Bitcoin itself, the linkage across the platforms could provide useful trust data. For instance, I'd certainly trust hardleft132's Bitcointalk identity, if he has one.
No, not just post karma, I also reposted top comments from previous links, it had 35k link and 15k comment.
Anyways, the chances of this getting implemented are pretty slim.
Anyways, the chances of this getting implemented are pretty slim.
Karma is actually easier to generate than content IMO. I have an experiment account with over 50k karma that is composed solely of reposts.
Also, what's to prevent someone from tipping a sockpuppet, etc.
Also, what's to prevent someone from tipping a sockpuppet, etc.
That's why I said *comment* karma, not post karma. Much harder to game. (However, even posting a bunch of reposts patiently over time is something that takes work and dedication, which is negatively correlated with scamming, so even link karma could be useful.)
Good point on tipping a sockpuppet, though if tipping other trusted people it still seems this would provide useful trust data.
Karma is actually easier to generate than content IMO. I have an experiment account with over 50k karma that is composed solely of reposts.
Also, what's to prevent someone from tipping a sockpuppet, etc.
Also, what's to prevent someone from tipping a sockpuppet, etc.
Could this be incorporated into or paired with Reddit? For example, date of first comment on /r/Bitcoin, total amount tipped, number of posts to /r/Bitcoin, comment karma from /r/Bitcoin, etc. You could add an option for people to link their Reddit account with their Bitcointalk account, verified here and there by PM. Also, what about real-life address, etc.? I know I'm a lot more likely to trust blockchain.info because the owner is known IRL.
The big things reddit helps with that Bitcointalk doesn't have are karma and tipping history.
The big things reddit helps with that Bitcointalk doesn't have are karma and tipping history.
- Sockpuppets and high post counts are easy to generate, but karma is much harder - you have to actually post some well-thought-out content
- Generous tippers are vastly less likely to be interested in scamming, and it costs money to game this one
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It's too complicated. Why have 4 numbers? One number should suffice - net rating.
For display purposes, you could have just one number in a market format with a red down or green up arrow showing the trend
Seriously though, comments/proof/rebuttals are essential to ratings systems, and as such, displaying both positive and negative is an elementary requirement. Single numbers are misleading in either direction.
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