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vip
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Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times.

I came up with a really good solution, but people just called me names Sad

Master P, they're not gonna leave you alone for what, like, 50 weeks it'll take you to pay at this rate?
Somebody's gonna lose his cool & dox you.
The smart thing to do is go to a dice site & bet .4BTC until you make the whole amount back, and then pay back the whole thing.
This way you at least have a chance
of not being doxxd.

What do the creditors think?

That's the stupidest idea yet - gambling with what funds you do have to pay back a debt. Please tell us you are trolling.
I think this is basically what G.W. Bush wanted to do with Social Security contributions, so there are definitely people who think this way.  It's a tax upon the mathematically retarded.

Not retarded. It'll take him 50+ weeks to pay everyone back, paying at current rate. Chances of getting doxxd = 100%.

Sure, the odds of winning 20+ BTC starting with just .4 are slim, but slim is better than nothing Undecided

Besides, if he loses the .4BTC, he can just tell people he lost & try again next week.
People will forgive him if they knew he lost their money gambling Smiley

If he has the money he should pay it back. Gambling on dice sites is an excellent way to make whatever number of coins he has go down, so I don't know you well enough to call you names, but that is certainly a stupid idea.

What part of "if he don't pay back the whole thing now, he's getting doxx0rd, and he ain't got 20+BTC" don't you get? Dude, lrn 2 game theory, you clearly need 2 educate yourself.

The game theory on this is simlple. They have a shitty chance of getting any money back regardless of the situation. If he owes 20 btc and has 5, you would be better off just getting a piece of that 5 than watching him turn it into less than 5 on a betting site. Game theory and dice sites don't belong in the same sentence.


"Now, with N-players rolling die at Site A, and Y-players roll die at Site B, when a 9 is rolled 7 times in a row..."
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1000
Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times.

I came up with a really good solution, but people just called me names Sad

Master P, they're not gonna leave you alone for what, like, 50 weeks it'll take you to pay at this rate?
Somebody's gonna lose his cool & dox you.
The smart thing to do is go to a dice site & bet .4BTC until you make the whole amount back, and then pay back the whole thing.
This way you at least have a chance
of not being doxxd.

What do the creditors think?

That's the stupidest idea yet - gambling with what funds you do have to pay back a debt. Please tell us you are trolling.
I think this is basically what G.W. Bush wanted to do with Social Security contributions, so there are definitely people who think this way.  It's a tax upon the mathematically retarded.

Not retarded. It'll take him 50+ weeks to pay everyone back, paying at current rate. Chances of getting doxxd = 100%.

Sure, the odds of winning 20+ BTC starting with just .4 are slim, but slim is better than nothing Undecided

Besides, if he loses the .4BTC, he can just tell people he lost & try again next week.
People will forgive him if they knew he lost their money gambling Smiley

If he has the money he should pay it back. Gambling on dice sites is an excellent way to make whatever number of coins he has go down, so I don't know you well enough to call you names, but that is certainly a stupid idea.

What part of "if he don't pay back the whole thing now, he's getting doxx0rd, and he ain't got 20+BTC" don't you get? Dude, lrn 2 game theory, you clearly need 2 educate yourself.

The game theory on this is simlple. They have a shitty chance of getting any money back regardless of the situation. If he owes 20 btc and has 5, you would be better off just getting a piece of that 5 than watching him turn it into less than 5 on a betting site. Game theory and dice sites don't belong in the same sentence.
newbie
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Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times.

I came up with a really good solution, but people just called me names Sad

Master P, they're not gonna leave you alone for what, like, 50 weeks it'll take you to pay at this rate?
Somebody's gonna lose his cool & dox you.
The smart thing to do is go to a dice site & bet .4BTC until you make the whole amount back, and then pay back the whole thing.
This way you at least have a chance
of not being doxxd.

What do the creditors think?

That's the stupidest idea yet - gambling with what funds you do have to pay back a debt. Please tell us you are trolling.
I think this is basically what G.W. Bush wanted to do with Social Security contributions, so there are definitely people who think this way.  It's a tax upon the mathematically retarded.

Not retarded. It'll take him 50+ weeks to pay everyone back, paying at current rate. Chances of getting doxxd = 100%.

Sure, the odds of winning 20+ BTC starting with just .4 are slim, but slim is better than nothing Undecided

Besides, if he loses the .4BTC, he can just tell people he lost & try again next week.
People will forgive him if they knew he lost their money gambling Smiley

If he has the money he should pay it back. Gambling on dice sites is an excellent way to make whatever number of coins he has go down, so I don't know you well enough to call you names, but that is certainly a stupid idea.

What part of "if he don't pay back the whole thing now, he's getting doxx0rd, and he ain't got 20+BTC" don't you get? Dude, lrn 2 game theory, you clearly need 2 educate yourself.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1000
Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times.

I came up with a really good solution, but people just called me names Sad

Master P, they're not gonna leave you alone for what, like, 50 weeks it'll take you to pay at this rate?
Somebody's gonna lose his cool & dox you.
The smart thing to do is go to a dice site & bet .4BTC until you make the whole amount back, and then pay back the whole thing.
This way you at least have a chance
of not being doxxd.

What do the creditors think?

That's the stupidest idea yet - gambling with what funds you do have to pay back a debt. Please tell us you are trolling.
I think this is basically what G.W. Bush wanted to do with Social Security contributions, so there are definitely people who think this way.  It's a tax upon the mathematically retarded.

Not retarded. It'll take him 50+ weeks to pay everyone back, paying at current rate. Chances of getting doxxd = 100%.

Sure, the odds of winning 20+ BTC starting with just .4 are slim, but slim is better than nothing Undecided

Besides, if he loses the .4BTC, he can just tell people he lost & try again next week.
People will forgive him if they knew he lost their money gambling Smiley

If he has the money he should pay it back. Gambling on dice sites is an excellent way to make whatever number of coins he has go down, so I don't know you well enough to call you names, but that is certainly a stupid idea.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times.

I came up with a really good solution, but people just called me names Sad

Master P, they're not gonna leave you alone for what, like, 50 weeks it'll take you to pay at this rate?
Somebody's gonna lose his cool & dox you.
The smart thing to do is go to a dice site & bet .4BTC until you make the whole amount back, and then pay back the whole thing.
This way you at least have a chance
of not being doxxd.

What do the creditors think?

That's the stupidest idea yet - gambling with what funds you do have to pay back a debt. Please tell us you are trolling.
I think this is basically what G.W. Bush wanted to do with Social Security contributions, so there are definitely people who think this way.  It's a tax upon the mathematically retarded.

Not retarded. It'll take him 50+ weeks to pay everyone back, paying at current rate. Chances of getting doxxd = 100%.

Sure, the odds of winning 20+ BTC starting with just .4 are slim, but slim is better than nothing Undecided

Besides, if he loses the .4BTC, he can just tell people he lost & try again next week.
People will forgive him if they knew he lost their money gambling Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1000
i did not read everything here, but he is indeed a scammer or simply his account was hacked or whatever?

and why scamming now when he was escrowing a large amount of bitcoin before? no-sense to me

You need to read the thread or at least skim through the contents of this 49-50 paged thread to understand what actually happened. Its really complicated.

It really isn't complicated at all.

A bunch of geniuses gave some anonymous/posible minor a bunch of coins to act as an escrow.

He did not hold up his end of the bargain. (There are lots of "complicated" explanations for this, but whether he stole the coins himself, or got hacked, or sold the account, or some other nonsense, he did not do what he was supposed to).

He then started following the playbook we have seen thousands of times on this forum for scams, pay back tiny amounts to buy time, and the people ripped off followed the same playbook every other scam victim has of sitting on their thumbs and hoping they will get their money back because they are incapable of taking it back on their own and unwilling to go to tha authorities because of reasons.

In the end I'm sure it will work out just a well as it did for those who sat and hoped Gox, neo and bee, bfl, active mining, black arrow, moolah, pirate, gaw, hahfast, etc.

Please give me three lifetimes to find an error in your assessment, for I'm sure there's at least one in there someone.

If you really want to do something you can fill in some more things for my etc, that was just off the top of my head.

These things always amaze me. Pages and pages of BS that revolve around arguing something that doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter if he was hacked, sold the account, stole the coins, got kidnapped, had his mind stolen from his body via aliens and put into a computer, or what.

People paid for a service. It wasn't done. Instead of doing something about it the scammed are going to sit here and wait for a miracle to happen, and it's going to work just as well as it did the last thousand times.
legendary
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I guess 2016 is not the year people here stop getting all excited when assholes pay back <1% of the money they owe and give them more time to get away. Maybe we'll stop getting robbed in 2017.

Get away? I have his name and home address. He might even be a minor. What is he going to move to Mexico on $12,000?
If he is really a kid then i would not be comfortable in doxing hiim and releasing it publicly or even making him spend years in jail. But i doubt he is.

So it's all kosher if he's a minor?  Kids are allowed to steal $12k without repercussion?

The above pertains to minors and punishment in general rather than master-p's case in particular, I haven't yet decided what side of the story to believe and it doesn't actually matter what I think so long as people get paid back.
Who said it's acceptable or appropriate ? but i can't agree to spoil his whole life for one mistake he might have done when he was in puberty.
Kids get thrilled by these things quite readily and if this is a foster care case then it's more worse.



Though you can see it from another angle too. He did not show any form of remorse. The inconsistencies in the story seems to make it impossible that his story is correct so no remorse so far.

Letting him go without a punishment of some form might make him to an even bigger scammer in the future. Because "it worked fine".

Though maybe we speak about a topic that is not really actual... we don't know how old he is.

What i would want to know... someone received a foto of his id with a written text and username... is it sure that the id wasn't copied into with nice photoshop skills? A better proof might have been to have the id together with his face on a picture. At least big exchanges, who probably thought a lot more about that topic, are doing it that way. One picture the id, one picture face and holding ID.
legendary
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Wait a minute, it hasn't been confirmed that MasterP is a minor because he hasn't been doxxxxed yet.  Or did I miss something?
member
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You failed to answer a simple question asked twice. Welcome to my ignore list newbie account with nothing to say and trying to derail the thread. I urge you to ignore me too.

One question only in your last post, that being "What if I pay back the money?"
That what you expected me to answer?
newbie
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Would somebody relate to me how a minor living at home was going through a couple of really rough months?

Not living at home, ran away because dysfunctional family of bitcoin gamblers and drug addicts.
Why would a minor with stable family life even get into bitcoin?
legendary
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You failed to answer a simple question asked twice. Welcome to my ignore list newbie account with nothing to say and trying to derail the thread. I urge you to ignore me too.
member
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OK, internet lawyer, prove me wrong.
Do I have time to go grab something to eat, or keep pounding F5?


2. Aggravating factors
Some of the most common aggravating factors considered in fraud sentencing cases
include:
1. A high degree of planning and deliberation, a lengthy time over which the fraud took place, and a substantial number of transactions required to commit the fraud;
A high degree of planning to get haxxored?!
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2. Greed;
Greed is good! What are you, some sort of a commie?
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3. Personal profit;
As opposed to funding Obamacare?!
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4. The size of the fraud;
Again, it wasn't fraud, the Master just accidentally gambled away your money. got hacked, man! He could have stolen way more if he wanted to, he's even paying you back out of his own pocket Angry
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5. The nature of the victim (e.g. elderly individual, institution, public agency, and the number of victims;
Victims being tax cheats/petty crooks themselves don't count.

*Besides, like TECHSHARE says, he's probably a minor Sad
legendary
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You need to read the thread or at least skim through the contents of this 49-50 paged thread to understand what actually happened. Its really complicated.

It's pretty simple: master-p stopped returning coins.

Some new account claimed to be him and said he had sold his account; he signed a message to prove it - but the sale was only for 2 BTC so that makes no sense

Some other new account claimed to be him and said he had been hacked; he signed a message to prove it -  but the alleged hacker left all the stolen coins in the escrow wallet for days so that makes no sense either

I expect it's just a regular exit scam like many others.

Did I miss anything of substance?

Yup.. you missed the most important part of all !
If you guys let him get away with this it leaves the flood gate open.
Like i said would happen the last time a similar incident occurred.

You can't let guys get away with shit with the "i wuz hacked" story.
legendary
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It's an exit scam, don't worry  Gleb Gamow  Grin .. take your pop-corn and watch ....



vip
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I apologize for selling my account, in hindsight I see how selfish of an act it was. But I was at an all time low and I didn't exactly have much time to keep participating and help escrow for these forums anymore. The amount of money I was offered for my "bitcointalk identity" was enough to help get me through a couple of really rough months.

Would somebody relate to me how a minor living at home was going through a couple of really rough months? There must me a simple solution, yet it eludes me because I'm a retard.

Then, kindly relay to me how a person upon reading the above and having P's vitals remains steadfast in believing that he's a minor, hence hesitate to release them.
legendary
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If only you spent this much energy looking for a girlfriend you wouldn't need to masturbate in public.

I just wanted to tell you that you are right holding onto the dox until you decide to release it, and that it's not worth the discussions.
However after reading this comment, please coninue. Hahaha


I also think that it's his choice if he dox him or not, right or wrong, doesn't matter. Also, it's the chois of master-p if he keeps the funds for himself (and I'm almoust shure that he will) or if he returns them to their rightfull owners. Is it wrong? offcourse it is, but the point is that it doesn't matter someone's oppinion about this. It's the same in the case of TECSHARE.

The right thing (and also the only thing) to do, in my oppinion, is to pursue legal action against master-p:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Offences/Fraud_Over_$5,000
Fraud
380. (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service,
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding fourteen years, where the subject-matter of the offence is a testamentary instrument or the value of the subject-matter of the offence exceeds five thousand dollars; or
...

1.) 10 thefts of less than 5k != 1 theft of > 5k.
2.) dozens of ponzi promoters (advertising a ponzi website in sigs) will have to press charges.
3.) TL;DR: ain't gonna happen.


Read it again: defrauds the public.

May I ask, newbie account with 10 posts, what is your interest of discouraging legal actions against the scammer?

OK, internet lawyer, prove me wrong.
Do I have time to go grab something to eat, or keep pounding F5?


2. Aggravating factors
Some of the most common aggravating factors considered in fraud sentencing cases
include:
1. A high degree of planning and deliberation, a lengthy time over which the fraud took place, and a substantial number of transactions required to commit the fraud;
2. Greed;
3. Personal profit;
4. The size of the fraud;
5. The nature of the victim (e.g. elderly individual, institution, public agency, and the number of victims;



As you can see in a fraud, the number of victims is an aggravating factor!

Now, may I ask you again, newbie account with 11 posts, what is your interest of discouraging legal actions against the scammer?

If you continue the discussion without answering the question, you will be on my ignore list because you have nothing to say.


Also, keep in mind this:

What if I pay back the money?
Once a charge of Fraud has been laid, you are “in the system” and your criminal matter will proceed.  Paying back whatever money is alleged to have been defrauded will not result in any automatic dropping of the charges.  The matter is in the hands of the Crown prosecutor.  An offer to pay back the money or value of the property in certain situations may be useful as a mitigating factor and result in a lower penalty.  In certain situations where the case against you is not very strong, your lawyer may be able to use an offer to pay back money or return property as a bargaining tool that may result in charges against you being dropped.

hero member
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Did I miss anything of substance?
Yup, the refunds the alleged actual owner is providing. I am highly skeptical , however, that all the coins will be refunded
legendary
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You need to read the thread or at least skim through the contents of this 49-50 paged thread to understand what actually happened. Its really complicated.

It's pretty simple: master-p stopped returning coins.

Some new account claimed to be him and said he had sold his account; he signed a message to prove it - but the sale was only for 2 BTC so that makes no sense

Some other new account claimed to be him and said he had been hacked; he signed a message to prove it -  but the alleged hacker left all the stolen coins in the escrow wallet for days so that makes no sense either

I expect it's just a regular exit scam like many others.

Did I miss anything of substance?
vip
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1145
i did not read everything here, but he is indeed a scammer or simply his account was hacked or whatever?

and why scamming now when he was escrowing a large amount of bitcoin before? no-sense to me

You need to read the thread or at least skim through the contents of this 49-50 paged thread to understand what actually happened. Its really complicated.

It really isn't complicated at all.

A bunch of geniuses gave some anonymous/posible minor a bunch of coins to act as an escrow.

He did not hold up his end of the bargain. (There are lots of "complicated" explanations for this, but whether he stole the coins himself, or got hacked, or sold the account, or some other nonsense, he did not do what he was supposed to).

He then started following the playbook we have seen thousands of times on this forum for scams, pay back tiny amounts to buy time, and the people ripped off followed the same playbook every other scam victim has of sitting on their thumbs and hoping they will get their money back because they are incapable of taking it back on their own and unwilling to go to tha authorities because of reasons.

In the end I'm sure it will work out just a well as it did for those who sat and hoped Gox, neo and bee, bfl, active mining, black arrow, moolah, pirate, gaw, hahfast, etc.

Please give me three lifetimes to find an error in your assessment, for I'm sure there's at least one in there someone.
member
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If only you spent this much energy looking for a girlfriend you wouldn't need to masturbate in public.

I just wanted to tell you that you are right holding onto the dox until you decide to release it, and that it's not worth the discussions.
However after reading this comment, please coninue. Hahaha


I also think that it's his choice if he dox him or not, right or wrong, doesn't matter. Also, it's the chois of master-p if he keeps the funds for himself (and I'm almoust shure that he will) or if he returns them to their rightfull owners. Is it wrong? offcourse it is, but the point is that it doesn't matter someone's oppinion about this. It's the same in the case of TECSHARE.

The right thing (and also the only thing) to do, in my oppinion, is to pursue legal action against master-p:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Offences/Fraud_Over_$5,000
Fraud
380. (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service,
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding fourteen years, where the subject-matter of the offence is a testamentary instrument or the value of the subject-matter of the offence exceeds five thousand dollars; or
...

1.) 10 thefts of less than 5k != 1 theft of > 5k.
2.) dozens of ponzi promoters (advertising a ponzi website in sigs) will have to press charges.
3.) TL;DR: ain't gonna happen.


Read it again: defrauds the public.

May I ask, newbie account with 10 posts, what is your interest of discouraging legal actions against the scammer?

OK, internet lawyer, prove me wrong.
Do I have time to go grab something to eat, or keep pounding F5?
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