Topic: Master-P SCAMMER. I lost complete faith in this forum now. - page 59. (Read 80701 times)
didnt read thread in entirety, but he is still on the list of escrows https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-escrows-trade-safely-855778
QS, ill send you a pm real soon.
This was right after he started his account in 2014.
His account was created in March 2013.... He used a purchase from me to build his trust.
So you knew that he was trading with you in order to build his trust, and you left him positive trust anyway? (I am assuming this is the case considering the fact that he left you two positive ratings). -snip-
Can you tell use more about the deal? When exactly the account was transfered, how much coins you received, a TX ID, etc.?BTW how exactly did you come into contact with this person? AFAIK there have not been any threads selling high trust accounts on here, although to be fair, I have not exactly been closely watching the account market.
Do you care to explain why exactly you had yahoo62278 send 1.5BTC to an address that you were using several months prior to "selling" your account? According to his thread, he sent 1.5BTC to you via b0833df15299853f26baac9d33aa2b466e165a99df3f772db6dfba6d5605e7b0 which has a 1.5BTC output of 14PUWBwK854GLenxSa7MAuxXQUXK4DKKi5 which is also the change/tipping address of the transaction when you released 1.54BTC to me in June, a full two months prior to you selling your account?
Additionally, if you really sold your account for 2BTC in august, then you had ~.85BTC at the beginning of August, an amount of which steadily increased over that month, never broadcast a tx that month (but did broadcast a tx in November, proving that you did not simply "lose" your private keys to that address). This is especially perplexing considering that you were previously implying that you were in very bad financial shape personally when you sold your account.
I think it is fairly clear that you in fact did not sell your account
never heard of Master-P until today but if someone had suggested to use him/her as escrow I would likely have agreed based on trust etc
I wonder if forum escrows had their real identities known would that reduce the likelihood of scamming
unfortunately that opens a whole other can of worms too...
I wonder if forum escrows had their real identities known would that reduce the likelihood of scamming
unfortunately that opens a whole other can of worms too...
Yeah it does as of today at least 25 members know my name and my home address. A few know my phone number.
I stopped using any escrow for the simple reason that I used the return mailing address on al the gear I sent out and I have a 12 year flawless record on ebay under my name.
I have been offered from more then one person to buy my account my paypal and my email address allow with my burner tracfone cell number.
This is why I don't trust escrow.
The forum has scammers and I even stopped escrowing for a few people when I felt they wanted to scam.
It is hard to do business here.
That proves absolutely nothing. Everything was transferred in the sale, meaning that the escrow could have been completed seamlessly.
That's a point i can't believe again. Who in their right mind would sell a forum account including wallet that maybe contains 10 bitcoins for 1 or 2 bitcoins? It's pathetic to believe that this could have happened. So stupid can nobody be. Especially not an escrow who is trained to sniff out potential scams.
No, beyond possible.
What training? I remember thinking back when he started escrowing people were putting a lot of trust in him very quickly, and it was concerning to me. I think this was partially a result of the difficulties surrounding other leading providers at the time, then after he did a few transactions he started farming trust ratings and then appeared to be very trusted by gaming the trust system (who knew that was possible amiright?). After that he was free to run his long cons. This is what you get when you have a trust system based on politics and associations rather than the actual number of successful trades, amounts, period of service, etc. We all know which ostrich with their head in the sand we have to thank for that.
People are getting far too lax and demand everything be easy, and they want someone to promise them everything will be ok and to tuck them in. These things happen and instantly people demand more centralization and some overseer to fix the problem, but you are too blinded by your own compulsion for security to see that centralization is exactly what put you at risk in the first place. Take responsibility for your own trades and researching your trading partners. Build your own REAL trust lists, not based on +1's and -1's but on your knowledge of your trading partner and building your own real networks of trust, not just username profiles.
Well, for some reason Master-p is still on DT.
He should be immediately removed IMO.
He should be immediately removed IMO.
i dont think the old master-p, assuming the sold account theory holds true, would have offered to escrow funds for an obvious ponzi scheme's signature campaign.
Sounds right to me but at this point i have the feeling i never knew him. I mean selling this account with all the impersonation features is practically a scam itself. So if that happened then he would have had no problems escrowing that too.
For what it's worth, my account won't ever be sold for any amount of money.
I think nobody will doubt you anymore ever after you paid back the thousands of bitcoins that were invested in the old just-dice. I think there is no better proof of your honesty than you being able to scam for huge riches you probably never will hold again and not doing it. Clear sign of character.
That proves absolutely nothing. Everything was transferred in the sale, meaning that the escrow could have been completed seamlessly.
That's a point i can't believe again. Who in their right mind would sell a forum account including wallet that maybe contains 10 bitcoins for 1 or 2 bitcoins? It's pathetic to believe that this could have happened. So stupid can nobody be. Especially not an escrow who is trained to sniff out potential scams.
No, beyond possible.
I've been on JD chat and it doesn't seem to me that Masterp4 is the same person as Master-p on this forum. 
Fair enough. I don't know if I've ever read anything written by Master-p on this forum until today.
I wouldn't sell my account for 100BTC even... How someone could screw over the community after trying to help it is beyond me. If the account was sold or not doesn't really matter...the original Master-p is responsible in my opinion.
That's exactly how i think too. If someone can do such a thing and sleep well with it, i don't get it. You have to know what will happen and you betray a lot of people then.
A shortage of money is no excusion. He could have scam himself too and earn more so it might be he thought there is no risk but i REALLY can't imagine this. Especially escrows are trained, for their own good, in finding potential scams. He not realizing what could happen is beyond possible. So at this point it sounds like an excuse.
Can it be that he screwed up and lost his wallet without having it backed up? This could explain the unmoved coins. Still, for someone providing escrow being so careless would not be ok.
From every angle i look at, it sounds like an excuse. Or can the staff confirm a noticeable change around the time of claimed sale of account?
I personally think that this is the original Master-p's fault... How could you sell an account with such a high status and with the potential to scam people out of their life savings? Ridiculous.
I wouldn't sell my account for 100BTC even... How someone could screw over the community after trying to help it is beyond me. If the account was sold or not doesn't really matter...the original Master-p is responsible in my opinion.
That's exactly how i think too. If someone can do such a thing and sleep well with it, i don't get it. You have to know what will happen and you betray a lot of people then.
A shortage of money is no excusion. He could have scam himself too and earn more so it might be he thought there is no risk but i REALLY can't imagine this. Especially escrows are trained, for their own good, in finding potential scams. He not realizing what could happen is beyond possible. So at this point it sounds like an excuse.
Can it be that he screwed up and lost his wallet without having it backed up? This could explain the unmoved coins. Still, for someone providing escrow being so careless would not be ok.
From every angle i look at, it sounds like an excuse. Or can the staff confirm a noticeable change around the time of claimed sale of account?
Sorry that i don't have the time to read the full thread but is the sale of the account confirmed? The real master-P was a great guy so it would be pretty bad when he would have sold his account because it would make him himself a scammer. He would know that the buyer can impersonat him now and he would be liable to damages in my eyes. It would be a pretty dumb move if he acted that way.
He would have allowed a stranger and possible scammer to impersonate him. He would not be able to speak himself out of this then.
Was waiting for your reply .There is still nothing that proves there are two different master-P's involved in this scam.The real owner fails to prove the sale and just wants people to believe his terrible lies.He would have allowed a stranger and possible scammer to impersonate him. He would not be able to speak himself out of this then.
He was continuously buying/selling from his steam account and says he sold his identity for 1 coin which he could have easily lended and possibly was his 2-4 weeks escrow fees.
The transaction ID he provided
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Can you tell use more about the deal? When exactly the account was transfered, how much coins you received, a TX ID, etc.?
https://blockchain.info/tx/61c3471d66a8b5f1cc61ede17545c14951ce96e5731f5c17846be175c11879aa
In any way, master-P failed miserably. It doesn't matter really if he scammed himself or allowed others to scam. He very well had to know that nobody pays months worth of money to live when he is a honest person. Even if he would think he sells to a honest person, it simply is not acceptable to sell an account that even escrows. In my opinion if there is a doxx for the real master-p then he would be legally liable for what he did. And possibly liable for damages happening for allowing someone to impersonate him. I mean if you own a bank and allow a scammer to take in the user funds then who will be prosecuted? The scammer and the one allowing the scam. I think he can't get out of this easily. What a stupid thing to do if he really sold the account.
1 Bitcoin only? That sounds like a joke.
Did the behaviour of the account change at the claimed selling date?
Regarding the allowing of account sales... it really is better that it is allowed. The thing is when it would be forbidden then it still would happen. All communication would happen outside of the forum. But by allowing it the mods can clearly see everything going on. That is better than having no clue at all.
It's really a pain. It seems the number of people i really trust on here goes down constantly.
I've been on JD chat and it doesn't seem to me that Masterp4 is the same person as Master-p on this forum.
Quoting it for future, you never know it with escrow these days. First QS, then defcon23 then master-p... the forum is getting pretty pathetic.
None of those users did anything for the community to deserve the trust they were given. They certainly never ended up in my trust network.
No such thing as a trusted escrow.
You are wrong, and I will be the one to prove it.
There is a very short list of people I trust these days and OgNasty is on it. Master-P was trusted by many, but not at the level of OgNasty.
I figured Master-p here and masterp4 on Just-Dice were the same person, so checked the Just-Dice logs to see how active he has been there.
How?
It's my site. I have access to the server logs.
Or do you mean why did I think they were the same person? Only because their names are very similar.
3-of-3 is no use because the scammer can hold the funds hostage.
This is much better than lose the funds (give them to scammer). If you need full protection here is the scheme.
I hadn't seen that thread before. I replied here saying why that scheme wouldn't work.
I personally asked masterp4 on JD as well, because I thought that he was Master-p.
He said that he wasn't... But the names are just too similar
He said that he wasn't... But the names are just too similar
I figured Master-p here and masterp4 on Just-Dice were the same person, so checked the Just-Dice logs to see how active he has been there.
How?
never heard of Master-P until today but if someone had suggested to use him/her as escrow I would likely have agreed based on trust etc
I wonder if forum escrows had their real identities known would that reduce the likelihood of scamming
unfortunately that opens a whole other can of worms too...
I wonder if forum escrows had their real identities known would that reduce the likelihood of scamming
unfortunately that opens a whole other can of worms too...
Same here and from what I've read in the thread the account was sold to someone else. This should be completely against the rules in my opinion since it opens a huge can of worms as we all can see. It's also not really ethical from the account seller knowing that the buyer can actually use his name for scamming. I think an easy solution would be that accounts that are sold should reset reputation or show somewhere that it was sold recently.
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