Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 114. (Read 227070 times)
It is good that nature has given them many resources to build defenses. Also good to hear they have possible gas exports, instead of their exports being only bread and Chernobyl radiation. I hope they succeed in their revolution. Since Yanukovich is friend of Russia, does that mean that Yanukovich is more socialist communist, and opposition party and protesters are more independent capitalists? Many people in old Soviet countries were thoroughly brainwashed into communism, so it would be terrible if they had revolution that turned them into something like Cuba. Pro communist people are easy to control when you promise them government handouts paid for by rich people and business taxes.
Yanukovych has asked for 20 Billion Euros in aid for Ukraine joining the EU. If the EU grants him an amount near that, then Yanukovych will be No.1 on Putin's hit-list. 
Looking at the pictures above I think this is going to turn ugly.
All the eastern countries have had some recent civil conflicts that ended up with either a revolution or with something close to it , and the more you go deeper into the URSS , the closer they were time scale.
I guess it's finally Ukraine time to change it's leaders by force.
Next , Belarus?
All the eastern countries have had some recent civil conflicts that ended up with either a revolution or with something close to it , and the more you go deeper into the URSS , the closer they were time scale.
I guess it's finally Ukraine time to change it's leaders by force.
Next , Belarus?
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/12/ukraines-protests-not-yet-a-revolution/
In the three weeks since Ukraine formally suspended talks aimed at signing an Association Agreement with the European Union, two important facts have become clear.
First, it is now apparent that Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovich, had no effective strategy to resist intense pressure against the EU deal from Moscow. The Kremlin promised big cash loans, a gas discount and debt forgiveness, while explicitly threatening to block Ukraine’s access to the Russian market and implicitly threatening to stoke separatism in regions of the country.
Second, as street demonstrations gain momentum in Kiev and other cities, it has become clear that a strong, diverse and increasingly vocal plurality of Ukrainians will not accept their country’s continued isolation from the West. The authorities have confronted street protestors with shocking violence, and have offered no significant political concessions. Yet the prospect of real reform driven by the EU association has now become a key symbol for Ukraine’s national identity.
Though these two basic dynamics may appear to confirm the cliche of Ukraine “caught between East and West,” Ukrainians themselves do not see it this way.
Yanukovich, despite the intensity of Russian pressure, did not walk away from the EU table just to please Moscow. On the contrary, his relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin are devoid of any foundation of trust or even mutual respect, Yanukovich can be all but certain that the Kremlin will throw considerable resources behind a challenger in the 2015 Ukrainian presidential elections, if not sooner.
Moreover, Ukraine is not on track to join Russia’s alternative to the EU, the Eurasian Economic Union. That would at best fuel a brief spurt of economic growth at the cost of longer term stagnation.
In the three weeks since Ukraine formally suspended talks aimed at signing an Association Agreement with the European Union, two important facts have become clear.
First, it is now apparent that Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovich, had no effective strategy to resist intense pressure against the EU deal from Moscow. The Kremlin promised big cash loans, a gas discount and debt forgiveness, while explicitly threatening to block Ukraine’s access to the Russian market and implicitly threatening to stoke separatism in regions of the country.
Second, as street demonstrations gain momentum in Kiev and other cities, it has become clear that a strong, diverse and increasingly vocal plurality of Ukrainians will not accept their country’s continued isolation from the West. The authorities have confronted street protestors with shocking violence, and have offered no significant political concessions. Yet the prospect of real reform driven by the EU association has now become a key symbol for Ukraine’s national identity.
Though these two basic dynamics may appear to confirm the cliche of Ukraine “caught between East and West,” Ukrainians themselves do not see it this way.
Yanukovich, despite the intensity of Russian pressure, did not walk away from the EU table just to please Moscow. On the contrary, his relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin are devoid of any foundation of trust or even mutual respect, Yanukovich can be all but certain that the Kremlin will throw considerable resources behind a challenger in the 2015 Ukrainian presidential elections, if not sooner.
Moreover, Ukraine is not on track to join Russia’s alternative to the EU, the Eurasian Economic Union. That would at best fuel a brief spurt of economic growth at the cost of longer term stagnation.
Malthusian BS nonsense. The carrying capacity of the earth is 100s of billions. The problem is technology is held back by governments, cartels, and the resistance of the people who can't upgrade their knowledge fast enough.
If you really think that the world can sustain a population of 300 or 400 billion people, then even god might not be able to help you.
It is amazing how little western press this has got
Ukraine is a totalitarian basket case
Hope the people prevail in the end
Ukraine is a totalitarian basket case
Hope the people prevail in the end
One child policy was necessary, as China doesn't have the natural resources to sustain its billion plus population.
Malthusian BS nonsense. The carrying capacity of the earth is 100s of billions. The problem is technology is held back by governments, cartels, and the resistance of the people who can't upgrade their knowledge fast enough.
China in particular was isolationist and did not upgrade its agriculture and other technologies fast enough and substituted technological solution with 57 million genocide in the Cultural Revolution.
The male-female imbalance is worrying, but it is much less catastrophic than having a population of 2 billion.
Good to see you fallen for CNN's Ted Turner's Georgia Guidestones propaganda.
It's when they tried to improve their agricultural capacities that they ended up killing those peoples.
And about the 100 billions ,are you sure about that?
Some numbers to back it up?
And those 100 billions don't just require extra food , also extra living space, extra roads , parks, hospitals , etc.
I don't see it possible.
"harmlessly trying to dump their excess male population". You meant after China harmlessly destroyed the natural male/female ratio with their one child policy?
One child policy was necessary, as China doesn't have the natural resources to sustain its billion plus population.
The male-female imbalance is worrying, but it is much less catastrophic than having a population of 2 billion.
Mankind, reduced to a cold, clinical Microsoft Excel file, + or - 2 billions.
One child policy was necessary, as China doesn't have the natural resources to sustain its billion plus population.
Malthusian BS nonsense. The carrying capacity of the earth is 100s of billions. The problem is technology is held back by governments, cartels, and the resistance of the people who can't upgrade their knowledge fast enough.
China in particular was isolationist and did not upgrade its agriculture and other technologies fast enough and substituted technological solution with 57 million genocide in the Cultural Revolution.
The male-female imbalance is worrying, but it is much less catastrophic than having a population of 2 billion.
Good to see you fallen for CNN's Ted Turner's Georgia Guidestones propaganda.
"harmlessly trying to dump their excess male population". You meant after China harmlessly destroyed the natural male/female ratio with their one child policy?
One child policy was necessary, as China doesn't have the natural resources to sustain its billion plus population.
The male-female imbalance is worrying, but it is much less catastrophic than having a population of 2 billion.
I don't know about that but I do believe China has invested heavily in Iraq and Africa. It's clear they are trying to widen their sphere of influence but I think they're trying to do it silently.
I think they are harmlessly trying to dump their excess male population. Angola is a classical case.
"harmlessly trying to dump their excess male population". You meant after China harmlessly destroyed the natural male/female ratio with their one child policy?
Hell yes, there was some nasty shit going on for a while as female children weren't exactly popular. Maybe a lot of that was media hype but the imbalance is something like 3 to 1.
Not just media hype.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISme5-9orR0
I don't know about that but I do believe China has invested heavily in Iraq and Africa. It's clear they are trying to widen their sphere of influence but I think they're trying to do it silently.
I think they are harmlessly trying to dump their excess male population. Angola is a classical case.
"harmlessly trying to dump their excess male population". You meant after China harmlessly destroyed the natural male/female ratio with their one child policy?
I don't know about that but I do believe China has invested heavily in Iraq and Africa. It's clear they are trying to widen their sphere of influence but I think they're trying to do it silently.
I think they are harmlessly trying to dump their excess male population. Angola is a classical case.
The new iron curtain 
Gas reserves + revolution's getting awful popular, maybe the fumes send people mad or something. Screw both of them, sign up with glorious peoples republic of China instead and raise a real shitstorm 
China is already buying up all the quality farmland in Ukraine for a few pennies per acre. Not only in Ukraine, they have also bought farmland in may other smaller European nations.
Please don't tell me you actually trust those news about China buying 40% or so of the total agricultural land in Ukraine....
I don't know about that but I do believe China has invested heavily in Iraq and Africa. It's clear they are trying to widen their sphere of influence but I think they're trying to do it silently.
Gas reserves + revolution's getting awful popular, maybe the fumes send people mad or something. Screw both of them, sign up with glorious peoples republic of China instead and raise a real shitstorm
China is already buying up all the quality farmland in Ukraine for a few pennies per acre. Not only in Ukraine, they have also bought farmland in may other smaller European nations.
Please don't tell me you actually trust those news about China buying 40% or so of the total agricultural land in Ukraine....
Gas reserves + revolution's getting awful popular, maybe the fumes send people mad or something. Screw both of them, sign up with glorious peoples republic of China instead and raise a real shitstorm
China is already buying up all the quality farmland in Ukraine for a few pennies per acre. Not only in Ukraine, they have also bought farmland in may other smaller European nations.
Part of Bitcoin's promise is a strengthening of groups protesting against dictatorship.. Bitcoin supporters should be aware of such protesters, and support them.
They should protest because bitcoin went under 1k $ 
Bring the bitcoin up, start the revolution o7
Bring the bitcoin up, start the revolution o7
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