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December 11, 2013, 12:42:51 PM
#11
And were exactly would you draw that line?

Include all provinces won by Yanukovych in the East. Include those won by Tymoshenko, Klitschko and Svoboda on the West.

We should not forget that the main reason for people both supporting and opposing on Ukraine joining the EU is economical.

Eastern Ukraine (especially Donetsk) depends heavily on subsidized Russian gas for its metal industries. If Ukraine joins the EU, millions of people there will be left without a livelihood.

On the other hand, Western Ukraine lacks big industries and have remained as one of the poorest regions of Europe. If Ukraine joins the EU, Western Ukrainians can migrate to UK or Germany to earn a living.

Right now Ukraine is paying more per m3 of gas than Germany to the PutinBear.
So , I think they will be better of in the EU.

Also , taking into account the medium salary and the fact that taxes will drop for .ua imports they will be attract investors who are already tired of China , but can't relocate back yet due to the wages in the EU countries.
full member
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December 11, 2013, 12:04:06 PM
#10
My understanding is that it was expected the Ukrainian President would sign a trade law favorable to the EU but instead signed one favorable to Russia.  There has been a simmering tension I think due to the prior 2 elections where a former presidential candidate was arrested and I think is under arrest or house arrest right now.  so the situation has been precarious for a while.
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
December 11, 2013, 12:02:33 PM
#9
Someof my friends from University, now can't leave Ukraina and lost his scientific visa, because they were on th demonstradion and milice caught them. Thats so sick...

If you are ready to die for a cause you should not act like a cry baby when you get caught. If they truly believed in the cause that is.
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December 11, 2013, 11:38:27 AM
#8
Someof my friends from University, now can't leave Ukraina and lost his scientific visa, because they were on th demonstradion and milice caught them. Thats so sick...
legendary
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December 10, 2013, 11:36:42 PM
#7
There is another great solution for Ukraine without bringing a permanent split across the country.... Yep: Grin

They have just started their exploration. It will take at least two decades before the rigs are created, pipelines are built and the first shipment is done.  Ukraine is in no position to shut down its steel and other heavy metal industries, especially when the economy is in all sorts of trouble.
legendary
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December 10, 2013, 09:51:25 PM
#6
And were exactly would you draw that line?

Include all provinces won by Yanukovych in the East. Include those won by Tymoshenko, Klitschko and Svoboda on the West.

We should not forget that the main reason for people both supporting and opposing on Ukraine joining the EU is economical.

Eastern Ukraine (especially Donetsk) depends heavily on subsidized Russian gas for its metal industries. If Ukraine joins the EU, millions of people there will be left without a livelihood.

On the other hand, Western Ukraine lacks big industries and have remained as one of the poorest regions of Europe. If Ukraine joins the EU, Western Ukrainians can migrate to UK or Germany to earn a living.

There is another great solution for Ukraine without bringing a permanent split across the country.... Yep: Grin

Ukraine[edit]
Ukraine has Europe's 3rd largest shale gas reserves at 42 trillion cubic feet (1.2 trillion cubic meters).[97][98]
Shale gas discoveries are potentially changing the game. Shell has signed on to explore an area that government estimates indicate could have 113 Bcm (4 Tcf) in reserves.
Lijdsman wrote that the country’s gas reserves have geologic similarities to its neighbor Poland, and the Lublin basin could be 10 to 15 times the size of the Barnett shale. It also suffers less from population and water issues that plague its neighbor to the northwest.
But it suffers from the same bureaucratic issues that affect many other countries with shale deposits. “Lousy domestic policy remains the single greatest impediment to gas investments in Ukraine,” Edward Chow, a senior fellow at the Center of Strategic and International Studies, told Lijdsman.
Despite these issues, Chevron is proceeding with its plans to explore for shale in the Olesska field in the west of the country, according to Reuters. A government draft for a $10 billion shale gas production-sharing agreement has been approved. The draft will be sent to the Cabinet of Ministers for a signature, the article states. Royal Dutch Shell received a shale agreement with the government earlier this year to explore in Yuzivska in the eastern part of the country. The two projects could result in 11 Bcm to 16 Bcm (388 Bcf to 563 Bcf) within five years, according to Reuters.[99]
legendary
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December 10, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
#5
And were exactly would you draw that line?

Include all provinces won by Yanukovych in the East. Include those won by Tymoshenko, Klitschko and Svoboda on the West.

We should not forget that the main reason for people both supporting and opposing on Ukraine joining the EU is economical.

Eastern Ukraine (especially Donetsk) depends heavily on subsidized Russian gas for its metal industries. If Ukraine joins the EU, millions of people there will be left without a livelihood.

On the other hand, Western Ukraine lacks big industries and have remained as one of the poorest regions of Europe. If Ukraine joins the EU, Western Ukrainians can migrate to UK or Germany to earn a living.
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December 10, 2013, 02:34:46 PM
#4
I'm sorry I have no been following this issue, can someone give me the low-down.
legendary
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December 10, 2013, 01:26:48 PM
#3
It might seem outrageous. But at this point, I think the only solution to end this crisis is to partition Ukraine to the East and the West.

And were exactly would you draw that line? Better yet who would hold the pen on the map to make that split? A Russian hand or a pro EU hand?
This idea is not that outrageous. This is how a lot of Africa's countries were created: from the pen strokes of European powers.
legendary
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December 10, 2013, 12:44:49 PM
#2
It might seem outrageous. But at this point, I think the only solution to end this crisis is to partition Ukraine to the East and the West.
legendary
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December 10, 2013, 12:40:42 PM
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government forces raiding the offices of the opposition Batkivshchyna party:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDB5TI5UFPA
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